"The Father sent the Son"?

[catholic1seeks]

I have a quick question, but it’s probably just a misunderstanding.

If there is one God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, in which each Person is omnipotent, omniscient, eternal, etc., then why do we say that the Father sent the Son to do the Father’s will? Doesn’t each Person share the same, one, eternal will?

Just a follow-up question along the same lines: Why do we say that Christ was doing the will of the Father? Jesus is fully human as well as divine. So, couldn’t we say Jesus was doing His own will?

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*As always, I appreciate the responses!!

 

[DavidFilmer]

I have a quick question

It is hardly a “quick” question (either of them). Great Saints have written volumes on the nature of the Trinity. It has been said that nobody since St. Thomas Aquinas has spoken at length about the Trinity without falling into some sort of heresy.

but it’s probably just a misunderstanding.

Specifically, it’s probably a lack of ability to understand this eternal mystery (except for a very few who are exceptionally gifted in spiritual matters).

Doesn’t each Person share the same, one, eternal will?

OK, here’s my chance to slip into heresy.

They share the same will, but not the same resolve. Only the Son had to physically and bodily suffer. We saw the Son’s resolve waver in the Garden.

Just a follow-up question along the same lines: Why do we say that Christ was doing the will of the Father? Jesus is fully human as well as divine. So, couldn’t we say Jesus was doing His own will?

No. The will of Jesus was both human and divine. But, in human form, his human will took precedence - he prayed that “this cup might be taken” from him, but eventually accepted the will of his Father. It is thus said that,

…though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God something to be grasped. Rather, he emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, coming in human likeness; and found human in appearance, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, even death on a cross. (Phlip 2:6-8)

 

[Boxcar]

It is hardly a “quick” question (either of them). Great Saints have written volumes on the nature of the Trinity. It has been said that nobody since St. Thomas Aquinas has spoken at length about the Trinity without falling into some sort of heresy.

Specifically, it’s probably a lack of ability to understand this eternal mystery (except for a very few who are exceptionally gifted in spiritual matters).

OK, here’s my chance to slip into heresy.

They share the same will, but not the same resolve. Only the Son had to physically and bodily suffer. We saw the Son’s resolve waver in the Garden.

No. The will of Jesus was both human and divine. But, in human form, his human will took precedence - he prayed that “this cup might be taken” from him, but eventually accepted the will of his Father. It is thus said that,

Out of Love jesus said send me father you went last time.

 

[diggerdomer]

They share the same will, but not the same resolve. Only the Son had to physically and bodily suffer. We saw the Son’s resolve waver in the Garden.

No. The will of Jesus was both human and divine. But, in human form, his human will took precedence - he prayed that “this cup might be taken” from him, but eventually accepted the will of his Father. It is thus said that,

Actually, it’s better to say Jesus had both a human and divine will. One will for each nature. The contrary position (He had only one will) is a heresy known as monothelitism that was resolved at Constantinople III (680-681 A.D.).

 

[DavidFilmer]

Actually, it’s better to say Jesus had both a human and divine will.

That’s *exactly *what I said (you should re-read my words, which you even quoted).

 

[Benadam]

A conceptualization of the Trinity that might help

God eternally generates* Cognizance* of Himself. So, the second Person, is God knowing God.
God eternally generates His Word.

Jesus is the Son who reveals the Father on earth because that is the meaning of His Person.
What He is on earth is what He is eternally.

So, Jesus is sent because He is eternally generated cognizance of God and only by Him can God be re-cognized.

 

[AmbroseSJ]

Just a follow-up question along the same lines: Why do we say that Christ was doing the will of the Father? Jesus is fully human as well as divine. So, couldn’t we say Jesus was doing His own will?

In a sense that is correct. Jesus’ human will was completely conformed to the Will of God, which was the same as the will of Jesus in His Divine Nature. But it’s not correct in the sense that Jesus had to make a real human effort, using His human will. It took complete humility, obedience and submission to God’s will in order to do this, on the part of His human nature. So it was humanly very virtuous and meritorious. That is why God said “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

 

[Boxcar]

Actually, it’s better to say Jesus had both a human and divine will. One will for each nature. The contrary position (He had only one will) is a heresy known as monothelitism that was resolved at Constantinople III (680-681 A.D.).

Theology gets away from the Truth, His sacred human heart desires to be intiminate with each one of us, here and now, we need his Love, let us not rationalize away from it.

 

[diggerdomer]

That’s *exactly *what I said (you should re-read my words, which you even quoted).

Sorry if I misunderstood you. You said the will was both human and divine. I was clarifying what the Church teaches, which is that BOTH wills existed: the human one and the divine one. Jesus did not have one hybrid will, but both a human and a divine will. I may have misunderstood what I read from your post that you were saying Jesus had one will.

Again, sorry if I misunderstood what you typed.

 

[diggerdomer]

Theology gets away from the Truth, His sacred human heart desires to be intiminate with each one of us, here and now, we need his Love, let us not rationalize away from it.

I have no idea what you mean or how it relates to this Thread. But thanks anyway.

 

[StrawberryJam]

I would look at the creeds and think about them.

Eternally begotton