The Fight Against Gay "Marriage"

[JackieO123]

How do we go about winning it? The propaganda from the activists is rather disturbing to say the least. Sayings such as “It won’t affect you!” or, “The arguments against it are a slippery slope!” I could go on and on about such things, but in all honesty, some days I think that we’ll eventually lose it, and the repercussions of the legalization will affect us. We need to fight back, but not with violence, as the activists do. Truly, what arguments do we have to beat back this plague of immorality? I’m aware of a good sum of them, but trying to talk with someone about this often results in an emotions running high.

I’m all for banning gay marriage; that said, I’m all for homosexuals living chaste lives, seeking God, and the possibility, however slim, of a form of therapy to keep lusts in check, and similar things that don’t cause harm. Truly, we need as much help as we can get. We can’t back down from this. It can only lead to disaster. In fact, places that accept the gay activist ideology have been increasingly intolerant towards Catholicism and religious liberty.

The complacency for this is horrifying, and my future, and indeed the future of the Millenial generation, and those after it is at stake. I’m only 14 years old, and I do believe my future is at serious risk with the legalization of homosexual “Marriage.”

Link: cnsnews.com/news/article/san-francisco-catholic-church-attacked-pro-homosexual-marriage-vandals

 

[BellsMom]

How do we go about winning it?

I don’t think you do.

Live your life according to your values. Be the best catholic you can be.

 

[kmcarl56]

How do we go about winning it? The propaganda from the activists is rather disturbing to say the least. Sayings such as “It won’t affect you!” or, “The arguments against it are a slippery slope!” I could go on and on about such things, but in all honesty, some days I think that we’ll eventually lose it, and the repercussions of the legalization will affect us. We need to fight back, but not with violence, as the activists do. Truly, what arguments do we have to beat back this plague of immorality? I’m aware of a good sum of them, but trying to talk with someone about this often results in an emotions running high.

I’m all for banning gay marriage; that said, I’m all for homosexuals living chaste lives, seeking God, and the possibility, however slim, of a form of therapy to keep lusts in check, and similar things that don’t cause harm. Truly, we need as much help as we can get. We can’t back down from this. It can only lead to disaster. In fact, places that accept the gay activist ideology have been increasingly intolerant towards Catholicism and religious liberty.

The complacency for this is horrifying, and my future, and indeed the future of the Millenial generation, and those after it is at stake. I’m only 14 years old, and I do believe my future is at serious risk with the legalization of homosexual “Marriage.”

Link: cnsnews.com/news/article/san-francisco-catholic-church-attacked-pro-homosexual-marriage-vandals

Hallelujah to you, dear one! I cannot agree more. However, I must tell you that this is not the first generation to be faced with this terrible moral behavior. Centuries past have had to deal with homosexuality and all that goes along with it. Just be firm in your faith, and pray to God to take care of this miserable attack on our society today.

Giving this problem completely to God is one of the best things we can do. Checking the stance our political leaders take on this issue is another. Plainly, just don’t vote for them if they agree that “gay marriage” should be sanctified legally. Petition your senators and congressmen to vote against it. Plead with your friends and family members to do the same. The more people who are outspoken against such a thing, the less political leaders will be inspired to accept it.

Put your worries on God’s shoulders through prayer. He WILL see it through, but in His way, not ours. Trust in Him completely. Nothing is impossible through God!

You are only 14, so you have a lot of time to worry about such things in the future. Enjoy this time that God has given you to maintain your innocence for just awhile longer. Before you know it, you will be an adult, and you will be faced with many, many challenges in your fight with the Evil One.

May God bless and keep you today, and until eternity!

 

[edwest2]

How do we go about winning it? The propaganda from the activists is rather disturbing to say the least. Sayings such as “It won’t affect you!” or, “The arguments against it are a slippery slope!” I could go on and on about such things, but in all honesty, some days I think that we’ll eventually lose it, and the repercussions of the legalization will affect us. We need to fight back, but not with violence, as the activists do. Truly, what arguments do we have to beat back this plague of immorality? I’m aware of a good sum of them, but trying to talk with someone about this often results in an emotions running high.

I’m all for banning gay marriage; that said, I’m all for homosexuals living chaste lives, seeking God, and the possibility, however slim, of a form of therapy to keep lusts in check, and similar things that don’t cause harm. Truly, we need as much help as we can get. We can’t back down from this. It can only lead to disaster. In fact, places that accept the gay activist ideology have been increasingly intolerant towards Catholicism and religious liberty.

The complacency for this is horrifying, and my future, and indeed the future of the Millenial generation, and those after it is at stake. I’m only 14 years old, and I do believe my future is at serious risk with the legalization of homosexual “Marriage.”

Link: cnsnews.com/news/article/san-francisco-catholic-church-attacked-pro-homosexual-marriage-vandals

Since you are so young, you are unaware of psychological warfare. It is similar to advertising: just keep repeating the same thing over and over and over again. For you, just keep repeating the truth over and over again and pray.

This is an example of man ignoring basic male-female biology and inventing something gay people call marriage.

Have hope in God, you are not alone in this. Every voice that speaks the truth helps.

Peace,
Ed

 

[ClearWater]

Well, we can begin to see now how Catholics, and other people of faith, ARE being hurt already. We talk a lot about …tolerance. However, the First Amendment rights of Catholics, Christians, and others is genuinely under attack.

Take for example a regular citizen trying to live out his faith. He is a photographer, cakemaker, and a gay couple comes to him asking him to participate in a ceremony that goes against his beliefs. The gay couple, instead of going and finding another person who will make the cake or take the pictures sometimes will literally make a federal case out of it. These people have had to defend themselves legally and are being accused of…discrimination, now.

This is no small thing. They can be fined, go to prison.

I believe it was Catholic Social Services Adoption Unit …correct me if I am wrong…had a gay couple come to them for adoption. When refused, the couple took legal recourse, tried to force them, under penalty of law, to give the couple a baby.

This Catholic agency, I think the largest in its area, closed its doors rather than go against its beliefs.

Christians will probably be unable to run for office in the future, since they will be considered …bigots.

Many homosexuals are not content with gay marriage. They will not stop until the churches and rest are shut down and Catholic workers put out of business.

I agree this is a difficult thing to fight. I think Catholic radio, TV, newspapers, podcasts and such are good ways to fight, though, especially where they reach out to non Catholics.

 

[Ammo]

I feel it is within the American culture to strive to “win”. The Lord stated not to worry, the gates of heaven will prevail, and Christians will be prosecuted. I believe we need to ask ourselves what do “we” lose, if they win. The institution of Marriage still remains a Sacrament from God, and that can never be removed from his sovereignty. The only loser in this battle is the individual that denies the faith and rejects the Lord. What do “we” lose? The Gays obtain secular acceptance, they recieve medical benefits, etc. Render unto Caesar, I say.

Our Lord never stated the Church with the most followers wins. This isn’t a popularity contest and I don’t feel very popular being a Catholic. So what? That’s another American phenomenon. To be popular.

Of course the Lord commands us to be our brothers keeper, so it is essential to keep spreading the Good Word, TRUTH!

God Bless my neighbor. Should they hear the Word and keep it!

 

[Prodigal_Son]

I’m all for banning gay marriage; that said, I’m all for homosexuals living chaste lives, seeking God, and the possibility, however slim, of a form of therapy to keep lusts in check, and similar things that don’t cause harm.

This is a bit vague. Are you saying that there’s only a slim possibility for a chaste gay Catholic to keep his/her lusts in check? I assure you, that’s not true. Gay people have the capacity for self-control, just like anybody else.

But maybe I’m misunderstanding you.

 

[Lost_Sheep]

I believe it was Catholic Social Services Adoption Unit …correct me if I am wrong…had a gay couple come to them for adoption. When refused, the couple took legal recourse, tried to force them, under penalty of law, to give the couple a baby.

This Catholic agency, I think the largest in its area, closed its doors rather than go against its beliefs.

I don’t want to get off topic, but I would love to see all Catholic hospitals, relief agencies, thrift shops, etc. close their doors if they are demanded to go against our beliefs (the birth control mandate, for example).

Just imagine what kind of an impact that would have.

 

[JackieO123]

@Prodigal_Son: I’m well aware that those who are homosexual have self-control. What I meant to say, is that there might be a possibility for therapy to stop same-sex attractions, as has been done before. Some might say with limited success, some might not.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

@Prodigal_Son: I’m well aware that those who are homosexual have self-control. What I meant to say, is that there might be a possibility for therapy to stop same-sex attractions, as has been done before. Some might say with limited success, some might not.

OK, makes sense. Please take note that lust is different from attraction, in that case. A man could go his whole life exclusively attracted to other men without sinning. But obviously a man couldn’t lust after other men without sinning, since lust is a sin.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

How do we go about winning it? The propaganda from the activists is rather disturbing to say the least. Sayings such as “It won’t affect you!” or, “The arguments against it are a slippery slope!”

Speaking as a person that doesn’t have opposition against LGBTQs engaging in the civil contract of marriage, while I’ve heard the claim many times before that allowing gay marriage to be harmful I can’t say I’ve ever encountered an explanation that came across as plausible to me.

From what I’ve seen it’s not being proposed that the Sacrament of Matrimony be touched at all, only that the Civil Contract of Marriage allow the LGBTQ community to be able to engage in such a contract with other members of their community .

 

[ThinkingSapien]

…]there might be a possibility for therapy to stop same-sex attractions, as has been done before. Some might say with limited success, some might not.

From what I understand attempts at such therapy have tended to be more damaging than helpful.

 

[JackieO123]

@ThinkingSapien: Much as I’d like to debate you about such a topic, we’d only end up disagreeing. I’ll be blunt. Evidence is often ignored by supporters of homosexual lifestyles. I know of people who no longer have same-sex attractions, and underwent a form of therapy, and were willing to relinquish them. I know of multiple people who when faced with the evidence, reacted emotionally, and tried to mask their emotions. A media bias, which would be foolish to deny; and an amazing amount of hostility towards those in disagreement with the activist’s dogmas.

Most believe they’re doing right; but they way they go about, and indeed what they want is of important questions that have been asked, and will continue to be asked. Our refutations are sound, yet the propaganda from the activists will continue, and it will continue to dupe the ignorant, those stuck in their own little worlds, and those who are bombastic. (I don’t mean to be that myself; apologies in advance!)

So, I suppose that’s what I have to say. Understanding this from our point of view; those with traditional values, is very rare in the Western World, and we’re portrayed as if we’re monsters. We aren’t.

 

[edwest2]

The explanation:

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html

Peace,
Ed

 

[SuperLuigi]

How do we go about winning it? The propaganda from the activists is rather disturbing to say the least. Sayings such as “It won’t affect you!” or, “The arguments against it are a slippery slope!” I could go on and on about such things, but in all honesty, some days I think that we’ll eventually lose it, and the repercussions of the legalization will affect us. We need to fight back, but not with violence, as the activists do. Truly, what arguments do we have to beat back this plague of immorality? I’m aware of a good sum of them, but trying to talk with someone about this often results in an emotions running high.

I’m all for banning gay marriage; that said, I’m all for homosexuals living chaste lives, seeking God, and the possibility, however slim, of a form of therapy to keep lusts in check, and similar things that don’t cause harm. Truly, we need as much help as we can get. We can’t back down from this. It can only lead to disaster. In fact, places that accept the gay activist ideology have been increasingly intolerant towards Catholicism and religious liberty.

The complacency for this is horrifying, and my future, and indeed the future of the Millenial generation, and those after it is at stake. I’m only 14 years old, and I do believe my future is at serious risk with the legalization of homosexual “Marriage.”

Link: cnsnews.com/news/article/san-francisco-catholic-church-attacked-pro-homosexual-marriage-vandals

The biggest problem is that people are using the Bible too much. These individuals need to take a step “outside”, if only for a moment, to see that a lot of people don’t take the Bible as seriously.

In short, this is isn’t 1950 and using the Bible alone is not sufficient and frankly it’s a Protestant tactic that is used to beat our Church over the head.

What the so-called “gay marriage” issue reveals to me is that too many Catholics do not understand natural law.

If they did, finding the arguments against so-called “gay marriage” would not be that difficult.

So they need to argue on the economics of it. First, it plays off of natural law. Second, to quote Dick Morris “short of losing a major foreign war, Americans will always put the economy first”.

The only reason the state is even involved in marriage is because the state has a vested interest in surviving with its current economic and political system and marriage produces children.

I’ve addressed the case of “how does it affect you”. For starters, if I am a taxpayer and gay relationships are subsidized, that’s my money going to them. Also, if I own a wedding business but don’t want to serve either gay relationships or straights who are just playing house and the government forces me to violate my religious beliefs, that affects me.

At this point in the conversation, some likely responses will be “you didn’t answer my question” or “its a right to be married”.

Getting married in the US is not a Constitutional right for anyone gay or straight.

As far as the younger generation goes, I don’t think anyone is denying the problem of morality and the lack of understanding of it.

Let me just say this: so-called “gay marriage” is now a part of the progressive movement. Progressive philosophies cannot survive on their own or “compete in a free market of ideas” as Rush Limbaugh recently said.

That means that nonsense like so-called “gay marriage” cannot survive on its own. In fact, surveys have shown that the average gay relationship is 1.5 years and older GLBTQ folks can have hundreds of partners in their lives.

While the progressives would have you believe that their way of thinking is inevitable (something dutifully reinforced in the media), that is not true.

Just look at which groups in this country are having kids: Muslims, Orthodox Jews, Mormons, conservative Catholics.

In Europe, the demographic situation is even more pronounced and we could see some solid attempts this century at not only repeal but also total bans on homosexual behavior.

 

[SuperLuigi]

From what I understand attempts at such therapy have tended to be more damaging than helpful.

It’s a case by case basis, but it should be a service available to those who want it.

Bans on this limit individual freedom and choices which is what liberals claim to champion.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Hallelujah to you, dear one! I cannot agree more. However, I must tell you that this is not the first generation to be faced with this terrible moral behavior. Centuries past have had to deal with homosexuality and all that goes along with it. Just be firm in your faith, and pray to God to take care of this miserable attack on our society today.

That’s a big take-away from this thread.

Progressive activists LOVE to tout how “new and original” their ideas are.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

@ThinkingSapien: Much as I’d like to debate you about such a topic,

No debate, only discussion. I doubt the exchanges here will have a major impact on the position of the participants or the observers.

A media bias, which would be foolish to deny; and an amazing amount of hostility towards those in disagreement with the activist’s dogmas.

There’s some interaction between media and the people. A positive-feedback loop, perhaps. So various forms of media will tend to pander to their target audience, and that audience’s views also influence the media. So the biases of the media and the people influence each other.

Our refutations are sound, yet the propaganda from the activists will continue, and it will continue to dupe the ignorant, those stuck in their own little worlds, and those who are bombastic. (I don’t mean to be that myself; apologies in advance!)

Some times I think that those engaged in the public debate are not having the same conversation; some vocabulary or concepts that don’t seem to carry the same meaning or implication to those on the opposite side of the discussion. Even without agreement if we could get to the point of every one being able to understand the position of the others even when they don’t agree I’ll think that a significant milestone will have been achieved.

So, I suppose that’s what I have to say. Understanding this from our point of view; those with traditional values, is very rare in the Western World, and we’re portrayed as if we’re monsters. We aren’t.

Don’t worry, I don’t think of you as a monster nor did I plan to portray you or any one else that opposes gay marriage as a monster.

 

[edwest2]

The biggest problem is that people are using the Bible too much. These individuals need to take a step “outside”, if only for a moment, to see that a lot of people don’t take the Bible as seriously.

In short, this is isn’t 1950 and using the Bible alone is not sufficient and frankly it’s a Protestant tactic that is used to beat our Church over the head.

What the so-called “gay marriage” issue reveals to me is that too many Catholics do not understand natural law.

If they did, finding the arguments against so-called “gay marriage” would not be that difficult.

So they need to argue on the economics of it. First, it plays off of natural law. Second, to quote Dick Morris “short of losing a major foreign war, Americans will always put the economy first”.

The only reason the state is even involved in marriage is because the state has a vested interest in surviving with its current economic and political system and marriage produces children.

I’ve addressed the case of “how does it affect you”. For starters, if I am a taxpayer and gay relationships are subsidized, that’s my money going to them. Also, if I own a wedding business but don’t want to serve either gay relationships or straights who are just playing house and the government forces me to violate my religious beliefs, that affects me.

At this point in the conversation, some likely responses will be “you didn’t answer my question” or “its a right to be married”.

Getting married in the US is not a Constitutional right for anyone gay or straight.

As far as the younger generation goes, I don’t think anyone is denying the problem of morality and the lack of understanding of it.

Let me just say this: so-called “gay marriage” is now a part of the progressive movement. Progressive philosophies cannot survive on their own or “compete in a free market of ideas” as Rush Limbaugh recently said.

That means that nonsense like so-called “gay marriage” cannot survive on its own. In fact, surveys have shown that the average gay relationship is 1.5 years and older GLBTQ folks can have hundreds of partners in their lives.

While the progressives would have you believe that their way of thinking is inevitable (something dutifully reinforced in the media), that is not true.

Just look at which groups in this country are having kids: Muslims, Orthodox Jews, Mormons, conservative Catholics.

In Europe, the demographic situation is even more pronounced and we could see some solid attempts this century at not only repeal but also total bans on homosexual behavior.

Progressive? Progress toward what? The same old Communist, Marxist, anti-Christian garbage I heard in the late 1960s? The fake name progressives want everyone to believe and like what they believe and like and they will be rejected whenever they repackage their tired and old ideas. They want a dictatorship.

Peace,
Ed

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[JackieO123]

@Ed: I think by “progressive”, they inadvertently mean progressive towards the death of the differing opinion through any means possible.