The Fight Against Gay "Marriage"

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I don’t really think it’s possible to put the genie back in the bottle. I don’t mean that to incite anyone here who is committed to the fight against same-sex marriage – I mean it as a statement made after observing the current state of things. Are there any corollary examples of movements in America like that in favor of same-sex marriage that achieved phenomenal success with their platforms and were then abandoned? I don’t imagine that the states that have legalized it will reverse course and I *do *imagine that many others will follow suit.
 
JackieO123 said:
@Ed: I think by “progressive”, they inadvertently mean progressive towards the death of the differing opinion through any means possible. 😃
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That is correct. They want a dictatorship, comrade.

Peace,
Ed
 
gracepoole said:
I don’t really think it’s possible to put the genie back in the bottle. I don’t mean that to incite anyone here who is committed to the fight against same-sex marriage – I mean it as a statement made after observing the current state of things. Are there any corollary examples of movements in America like that in favor of same-sex marriage that achieved phenomenal success with their platforms and were then abandoned? I don’t imagine that the states that have legalized it will reverse course and I *do *imagine that many others will follow suit.
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Of the states that allow this kind of “marriage,” most homosexuals are not taking them up on it. This is not success in any way, shape or form.

Peace,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
Of the states that allow this kind of “marriage,” most homosexuals are not taking them up on it. This is not success in any way, shape or form.

Peace,
Ed
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I don’t think the states in which it’s legal will make it illegal for lack of usage.
 
If you are actively fighting for homosexual marriage to be illegal, I honestly cannot comprehend how you cannot also be actively fighting just as hard for premarital sex to be illegal and not be a hypocrite.
 
Kevin_B said:
If you are actively fighting for homosexual marriage to be illegal, I honestly cannot comprehend how you cannot also be actively fighting just as hard for premarital sex to be illegal and not be a hypocrite.
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Common tactic number one: change the subject. Nice try - means nothing.

Peace,
Ed
 
Kevin_B said:
If you are actively fighting for homosexual marriage to be illegal, I honestly cannot comprehend how you cannot also be actively fighting just as hard for premarital sex to be illegal and not be a hypocrite.
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Quite illogical. Marriage is a form of commitment; sex is not. The proper comparison: “If you are fighting for homosexual *activity *to be illegal, you should be fighting for premarital sex to be illegal.” That comparison would make more sense.
 
gracepoole said:
I don’t really think it’s possible to put the genie back in the bottle. I don’t mean that to incite anyone here who is committed to the fight against same-sex marriage – I mean it as a statement made after observing the current state of things. Are there any corollary examples of movements in America like that in favor of same-sex marriage that achieved phenomenal success with their platforms and were then abandoned? I don’t imagine that the states that have legalized it will reverse course and I *do *imagine that many others will follow suit.
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Slavery, for instance. Cigarettes. Whatever. But even if there wasn’t a precedent, the truth is worth supporting.
 
JackieO123 said:
How do we go about winning it?
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You have had good advice in here. Just one other thought I want to give you. In the end, we will not be judged on whether or not we “win” on any moral issue in any generation. We will be judged on whether or not we preached the gospel, loved neighbor, told the truth, etc… Telling the truth about marriage is what we should do, “win” or not. :o
 
Kevin_B said:
If you are actively fighting for homosexual marriage to be illegal, I honestly cannot comprehend how you cannot also be actively fighting just as hard for premarital sex to be illegal and not be a hypocrite.
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Ed is correct - this is an attempt to divert the issue. But there was no major movement against the certification of gay “marriage” until there was the movement to legalize it. That issue is currently on the public table, and being forced upon the citizenry in perverse ways, like on the New Mexico photographer recently. There are plenty of Church docs and youth groups that speak out against premarital sex, divorce, etc. anyway.
 
Kevin_B said:
If you are actively fighting for homosexual marriage to be illegal, I honestly cannot comprehend how you cannot also be actively fighting just as hard for premarital sex to be illegal and not be a hypocrite.
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MarcoPolo said:
Slavery, for instance. Cigarettes. Whatever.
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Neither of which were touted as being based on freedom and equality.
 
gracepoole said:
Neither of which were touted as being based on freedom and equality.
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Did understand you correctly that the issue of slavery was not based on freedom or equality? Also, the post you just quoted of mine was not in response to Kevin as it seemed in your post.
 
gracepoole said:
Slavery was not based on freedom and equality – emancipation was.
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And you believe those who exhibit homosexual behavior are being emancipated now because governments are calling some of their unions “marriages”?
 
MarcoPolo said:
And you believe those who exhibit homosexual behavior are being emancipated now because governments are calling some of their unions “marriages”?
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I didn’t say that – I’m just noting that the same-sex marriage movement is touting itself in this way and asking if any movement that’s done so previously was abandoned after achieving its ends.
 
gracepoole said:
I didn’t say that – I’m just noting that the same-sex marriage movement is touting itself in this way and asking if any movement that’s done so previously was abandoned after achieving its ends.
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Seems that previous movements occurred in phases. For example the civil rights movement could be seen as a step in a progression which included ending slavery, the peonage laws, redlining financial practices, voting rights, so on. After each success the movement would target a new set of goals.

The fight for same sex marriage could also be seen as a phase for homosexual rights. Some of the other parts could potentially include hate crime legislation, the reconsideration and eventual removal of diagnosis 302.0 from the DSM which had classified homosexuality as a mental disorder (a consequence of this classification is that a homosexual could be fired from a job that had nothing to do with his/her sexuality for being “mentally ill”), and so on.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
Seems that previous movements occurred in phases. For example the civil rights movement could be seen as a step in a progression which included ending slavery, the peonage laws, redlining financial practices, voting rights, so on. After each success the movement would target a new set of goals.

The fight for same sex marriage could also be seen as a phase for homosexual rights. Some of the other parts could potentially include hate crime legislation, the reconsideration and eventual removal of diagnosis 302.0 from the DSM which had classified homosexuality as a mental disorder (a consequence of this classification is that a homosexual could be fired from a job that had nothing to do with his/her sexuality for being “mentally ill”), and so on.
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amazon.com/Homosexuality-American-Psychiatry-Politics-Diagnosis/dp/0691028370

Peace,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
amazon.com/Homosexuality-American-Psychiatry-Politics-Diagnosis/dp/0691028370
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I get the feeling that the book’s information may have some overlap with what was shared in NPS’s presentation of “81 Words”

thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/204/81-words (Audio recording)
The story of how the American Psychiatric Association decided in 1973 that homosexuality was no longer a mental illness.
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n 1973, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) declared that homosexuality was not a disease simply by changing the 81-word definition of sexual deviance in its own reference manual. It was a change that attracted a lot of attention at the time, but the story of what led up to that change is one that we hear today, from reporter Alix Spiegel. Part one of Alix’s story details the activities of a closeted group of gay psychiatrists within the APA who met in secret and called themselves the GAYPA…and another, even more secret group of gay psychiatrists among the political echelons of the APA. Alix’s own grandfather was among these psychiatrists, and the president-elect of the APA at the time of the change. …]
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edwest2 said:
amazon.com/Homosexuality-American-Psychiatry-Politics-Diagnosis/dp/0691028370

Peace,
Ed
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I find it real funny when Christians give link to this book as it perfectly shows they HAVEN’T READ AT ALL. Because this book actually depicts the history of APA and why diagnosis was removed. And it clearly shows that
  1. there was scientific evidence behind removing the diagnosis based on quite a few works that unlike the previous ones were done following scientific methodology.
1)opponents of removing homosexuality from DSM failed to present sound evidence that would make their outdated theories valid. They FAILED 3(three) times at scientific debates
  1. When they failed with presenting scientific data OPPONENTS OF REMOVING HOMOSEXUALITY FROM DSM CALLED FOR A VOTING PROCEDURE having found a loophole in APA’s legal documents which they miserably failed at as well. 😃
Good job, edwest. I wholeheartedly support the promotion of this book depicting the evils of obscurantists and their miserable failure, their POLITICAL and as it turned out later religious war against SCIENCE.

scribd.com/doc/165076223/APA-Science-vs-Obscurantists
 
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