Then why was it mentioned in the papal bull excommunicating Patriarch Michael Cerularius? Was this given as a reason for his excommunication? I thought it was.
I don’t doubt that is the Roman Catholic point of view. However, I am somewhat doubtful that all Eastern Orthodox will agree with you on that. My doubt is confirmed when I read the 1848 Encyclical of the Eastern Patriarchs.
There is a reason why there are Orthodox bishops in Greece and else where question the licitly of that Rite. The Western Rite of the AOC was created by Protestants and other schismatics (not Catholics) who wanted to come into communion with Eastern Orthodoxy. It did not develop organically. Those converting Protestants took the Roman Missal and made changes to it that would satisfy the Byzantines.phil19034:
The western or Roman rite of the Antiochian Orthodox church is not based on the Greek, but on the Latin Mass. And they don’t say the filioque.
The fact that the Eastern Orthodox cannot come to agreement on a lot of issues is part of the problem of not having a head.Spyridon:
I don’t doubt that is the Roman Catholic point of view. However, I am somewhat doubtful that all Eastern Orthodox will agree with you on that. My doubt is confirmed when I read the 1848 Encyclical of the Eastern Patriarchs.
But did the Encyclical of 1848 show agreement on many issues?
As your source indicates:AlNg:
There is a reason why there are Orthodox bishops in Greece and else where question the licitly of that Rite. The Western Rite of the AOC was created by Protestants and other schismatics (not Catholics) who wanted to come into communion with Eastern Orthodoxy. It did not develop organically. Those converting Protestants took the Roman Missal and made changes to it that would satisfy the Byzantines.phil19034:
The western or Roman rite of the Antiochian Orthodox church is not based on the Greek, but on the Latin Mass. And they don’t say the filioque.
You can read about it here: Western Rite Orthodoxy - Wikipedia
The was no Papal Bull excommunicating Patriarch Michael. There was a letter written by a representative of the deceased Pope Leo. Cardinal Humbert, who wrote the bull in question, listed a number of strange accusations including that the Greeks refused to give Communion to those that cut their beards.
Of course they removed it!!! But the liturgy did not develop organically, and we created by PROTESTANTS who wanted to come into communion with Eastern Orthodox, but didn’t want the Byzantine Liturgy.phil19034:
As your source indicates:AlNg:
There is a reason why there are Orthodox bishops in Greece and else where question the licitly of that Rite. The Western Rite of the AOC was created by Protestants and other schismatics (not Catholics) who wanted to come into communion with Eastern Orthodoxy. It did not develop organically. Those converting Protestants took the Roman Missal and made changes to it that would satisfy the Byzantines.phil19034:
The western or Roman rite of the Antiochian Orthodox church is not based on the Greek, but on the Latin Mass. And they don’t say the filioque.
You can read about it here: Western Rite Orthodoxy - Wikipedia
“The Divine Liturgy of Saint Gregory – Utilized by the remainder of the AWRV as well as some communities in ROCOR, this rite is a version of the Roman Tridentine Mass which has been altered to remove the filioque and by inserting a Byzantine epiclesis.”
Your source confirms my point that the filioque is not said in this Mass even though it is based on the Tridentine Mass and not the Greek rite.
Does that mean that Roman Catholics are willing to accept the Orthodox position on church approved divorce and remarriage and on artificial birth control since these are not real issues?
Really @Profete?