The Final Sign

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Concerning the second coming of Christ it is important that we keep an open mind. Many are convinced that the prophecies have been fulfilled or will be fulfilled in some particular way, but the first coming of Christ didn’t happen as expected. No one, not even the apostles, understood the prophecies and it is likewise probably true that everything we have been told about Armageddon and antichrist will turn out to be wrong. My views may also be wrong, but I am mindful of this. I don’t claim to know the future and this is only presented for your consideration.

Ninety-two years ago a message from God was given to three children in Fatima. Keeping in mind that a prophet is someone who has been given a message from God, these three children were prophets just as much as Ezekiel and Isaiah were prophets. Many have claimed to be prophets, but since ten of thousands of people witnessed the miracle of Fatima, this is the only occasion in thousands of years that we can say with a great deal of certainty that these were actual prophets of God. It has great significance that God sent us a prophetic message especially if you consider that the main theme of this message was coming judgment and war.

The message of Fatima is divided into three “secrets” with the first secret dealing mostly with World War I and the second secret dealing mostly with World War II. The second secret gave no details of World War II, but it did give a sign that occurred not long before the war began. The Fatima message also said that Russia would be converted and this would lead to a period of peace. When the Berlin wall came down there were some who said it was the end of history as there were no major conflicts among nations. This period of peace was said to occur in the “end” which perhaps means the end times.

The third and final secret of Fatima foretold the assassination of the Pope, and it is believed that this was fulfilled by the attempted assassination of John Paul. There are several reasons to believe that the attempt on John Paul’s life did not fulfill this prophecy. For one thing John Paul wasn’t killed, nor was any other people killed in the attack as indicated in the third secret. Since the prophecy talks of two catastrophic world wars, it is anticlimactic that the third and final event foretold in a message from God was the death of a Pope. Popes have died before, in fact the only Pope who hasn’t died is the one we have now. The message of Fatima is an extremely rare message from God it should be describing something of incredible significance. The third secret talks of religious people gathering at a mountain and this would seem to be mount Zion which is a type of end time sanctuary foretold in a number of prophecies. This suggests that the third secret is talking about the final turbulent years often called the “tribulation”. The second secret didn’t provide any information about Word War II, but it gave a sign to occur before the war started, and likewise the death of the Pope is likely given as a final sign to occur before the “tribulation” begins.

According to Saint Malachy there will only be one more Pope. The final Pope is called Peter the Roman, and there is great tribulation during his time. So the transition to tribulation occurs as we go from the current Pope to the final Pope. This also suggests that the “tribulation” will begin following the death of the current Pope.

If the Pope were killed, there is a good chance it would lead to Armageddon. Israel wants very much to strike Iran, but they face a large risk by doing so. Not only does Israel lack American support, if they attack Iran they will be vilified and blamed for the disruption of oil and the resulting economic catastrophe. If Islamic fanatics murder the Pope, it will give Israel more support for a strike against Iran, and it would shift some of the blame to the Jihadists. It would provide Israel with the best possible opportunity to strike Iran that they are going to get, and it is hard to believe that Israel would allow such an opportunity to go unnoticed.

This is not to say that Muslim fanatics are about to kill the Pope, or to say that the Israelis will kill the Pope to blame the jihadists. No doubt if the Pope were murdered that argument will start before he is properly buried. Hijacking the thread to engage in such a speculative argument really misses the point. It isn’t important who pulls the trigger, and this isn’t about who pulls the trigger, but what comes next.

None of this proves that these are true prophecies, or that this is the correct interpretation of prophecy. We don’t know the future. However, if the current Pope is killed it will clearly surpass the attempt on John Paul’s life as the fulfillment of Fatima. It will mean that the period call “Armageddon” is only weeks, or perhaps days, away.
 
stash,

Has anyone ever suggested that you consider joining up with The Jehovah’s Witnesses? I think you would be a good fit for them.
 
stash,

Has anyone ever suggested that you consider joining up with The Jehovah’s Witnesses? I think you would be a good fit for them.
Actually no, My beliefs are not even close to that of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
 
Stash,
AS a primitive baptist, why put any stock into the message of Fatima?
 
Hi, StashLazarus, welcome to CA forums! I found your post very interesting. I do not know that much about end times prophecies, so I probably can’t comment too much, but it is interesting to think about sometimes.

I don’t remeber all the details about the Fatima secrets, but I have also wondered if the 3rd secret might mean something other than the attempt on Pope JP11’s life. Sometimes I wonder if it might be symbolic for the struggle the Church is going through now & the suffering of the Church because of the sex abuse crisis. So many good priests suffering & carrying crosses because of the evil of some. I’m sure it’s way off, but it comes to my mind once in a while.

I know there will be great suffering & tribulation, but I don’t believe there will be a tribulation per se where some are swept up in the clouds with Jesus while others remain here. I understand that many people do believe that, which I respect of course. Interesting to think about, & ultimately reminds us to put our trust in Jesus.

Anyway, welcome, & thanks for the interesting discussion!
 
Hi, StashLazarus, welcome to CA forums! I found your post very interesting. I do not know that much about end times prophecies, so I probably can’t comment too much, but it is interesting to think about sometimes.

I don’t remeber all the details about the Fatima secrets, but I have also wondered if the 3rd secret might mean something other than the attempt on Pope JP11’s life. Sometimes I wonder if it might be symbolic for the struggle the Church is going through now & the suffering of the Church because of the sex abuse crisis. So many good priests suffering & carrying crosses because of the evil of some. I’m sure it’s way off, but it comes to my mind once in a while.

I know there will be great suffering & tribulation, but I don’t believe there will be a tribulation per se where some are swept up in the clouds with Jesus while others remain here. I understand that many people do believe that, which I respect of course. Interesting to think about, & ultimately reminds us to put our trust in Jesus.

Anyway, welcome, & thanks for the interesting discussion!
I don’t believe in the “rapture”, and I am coming to the conclusion that there is no “antichrist”, which is to say that there won’t be one particular evil individual who fulfills many different prophecies.
 
I don’t believe in the “rapture”, and I am coming to the conclusion that there is no “antichrist”, which is to say that there won’t be one particular evil individual who fulfills many different prophecies.
Huh, you sound pretty unique in that no anti-christ thing. The Catholic Church most certainly believes in the anti-christ. Here’s one paragraph concerning Catholic beliefs on the antichrist. It goes on, from the catechism
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Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.574 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth575 will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.576
 
Huh, you sound pretty unique in that no anti-christ thing. The Catholic Church most certainly believes in the anti-christ. Here’s one paragraph concerning Catholic beliefs on the antichrist. It goes on, from the catechism
I was speaking of antichrist as in a person…an evil political leader who takes over the world. What do you have on that?
 
I was speaking of antichrist as in a person…an evil political leader who takes over the world. What do you have on that?
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Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.574 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth575 will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.576
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The **Antichrist’s **deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatalogical judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism,577 especially the “intrinsically perverse” political form of a secular messianism.578
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The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection.579 The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God’s victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven.580 God’s triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.581
He will be real and physical, and will truely persecute the church.
 
it should be noted actually, that the 3rd secerate of fatima has never been publicly released. There are a lot of assumptions about it ranging from the shooting of John Paul II to what you describe in your thread. Few people actually know what it is.
 
He will be real and physical, and will truely persecute the church.
Yes, but will it be a “he” or will it be a movement or a process or an institution or a nation? Could it be the devil himself cast into the world, and not a person? What you have provided isn’t very clear, and it shouldn’t be too clear since it is talking about the future.
 
Yes, but will it be a “he” or will it be a movement or a process or an institution or a nation? Could it be the devil himself cast into the world, and not a person? What you have provided isn’t very clear, and it shouldn’t be too clear since it is talking about the future.
It will be a he, otherwise the parallel to Christ doesn’t work. Just like Christ’s paralell to Adam wouldn’t work if he wasn’t a he, or if Adam wasn’t a he.
 
it should be noted actually, that the 3rd secerate of fatima has never been publicly released. There are a lot of assumptions about it ranging from the shooting of John Paul II to what you describe in your thread. Few people actually know what it is.
Google “Fatima prophecies”

“It was announced on 13 May 2000, 83 years after the first apparition of the Lady to the children in the Cova da Iria, that the third secret would finally be released. The text was published on 26 June 2000:”
 
I get a little spooked about Fatima lately. The entire thing about Mary showing the kids hell and so forth. That is what I can’t seem to digest.
 
I get a little spooked about Fatima lately. The entire thing about Mary showing the kids hell and so forth. That is what I can’t seem to digest.
I’m not worried about hell since I don’t believe in an eternal hell. (But I have no desire to debate this.)

I’m am worried about economic disaster and what that will do to society.
 
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