The First Cause argument.

[Sam_777]

*"If this Creator were a being like the universe, a being that exists in time and so that came into existence, then it too would have to have been created by something. Nothing comes from nothing, not even God.

This tells us that the ultimate cause of the universe must never have come into existence; the ultimate Creator must be a being that exists outside of time, an eternal being with neither beginning nor end. (For a more detailed defence of this argument, see William Lane Craig’s The Existence of God and the Beginning of the Universe.)"* Link.

Do Christians agree with the above statement regarding the “First Cause” argument

 

[tonyrey]

*"If this Creator were a being like the universe, a being that exists in time and so that came into existence, then it too would have to have been created by something. Nothing comes from nothing, not even God.

This tells us that the ultimate cause of the universe must never have come into existence; the ultimate Creator must be a being that exists outside of time, an eternal being with neither beginning nor end. (For a more detailed defence of this argument, see William Lane Craig’s The Existence of God and the Beginning of the Universe.)"* Link.

Do Christians agree with the above statement regarding the “First Cause” argument

Hi Sam! I would agree with the proviso that the Creator is “He Who Is” rather than “a being” but perhaps I’m being too finicky!

 

[Rahn]

Sorry, didn’t follow the link, but this sentence perfectly describes the God I worship!

*This tells us that … the ultimate Creator must be a being that exists outside of time, an eternal being with neither beginning nor end. *

 

[Pfaffenhoffen]

*"If this Creator were a being like the universe, a being that exists in time and so that came into existence, then it too would have to have been created by something. Nothing comes from nothing, not even God.

This tells us that the ultimate cause of the universe must never have come into existence; the ultimate Creator must be a being that exists outside of time, an eternal being with neither beginning nor end. (For a more detailed defence of this argument, see William Lane Craig’s The Existence of God and the Beginning of the Universe.)"* Link.

Do Christians agree with the above statement regarding the “First Cause” argument

Yes, not bad, at first sight…

 

[jmjconder]

**How to respond to this question?

Suggest the read The Evidential Power of Beauty **by Thomas Dubay, S.M.

 

[Philotheatoo]

I would say yes ~ warily.

 

[belorg]

Sorry, didn’t follow the link, but this sentence perfectly describes the God I worship!

*This tells us that … the ultimate Creator must be a being that exists outside of time, an eternal being with neither beginning nor end. *

This sentence actually describes lots of things. It could describe a timeless eternal turtle or a timless and eternal quantum vacuum. You name it.

 

[Leegal]

I would add the He IS, EVER SHALL BE WITH NO BEGINNING AND NO END.

When you use “if” it’s a question. God exists outside of time as we undertand time, so the argument begins with an incorrect premise about time, so one cannot agree.

 

[Leegal]

This sentence actually describes lots of things. It could describe a timeless eternal turtle or a timless and eternal quantum vacuum. You name it.

Time is mortal construct. God does not exist within time as we understand it. He is outside of time.

 

[empther]

This sentence actually describes lots of things. It could describe a timeless eternal turtle or a timless and eternal quantum vacuum. You name it.

…except that a turtle or quantum vacuum could not create human personality.

God is a personal being.

 

[JDaniel]

*"If this Creator were a being like the universe, a being that exists in time and so that came into existence, then it too would have to have been created by something. Nothing comes from nothing, not even God.

This tells us that the ultimate cause of the universe must never have come into existence; the ultimate Creator must be a being that exists outside of time, an eternal being with neither beginning nor end. (For a more detailed defence of this argument, see William Lane Craig’s The Existence of God and the Beginning of the Universe.)"* Link.

Do Christians agree with the above statement regarding the “First Cause” argument

Sam:

I’d say that most Christians do, “Yes.”

God bless,
jd

 

[catholictiger]

*"If this Creator were a being like the universe, a being that exists in time and so that came into existence, then it too would have to have been created by something. Nothing comes from nothing, not even God.

This tells us that the ultimate cause of the universe must never have come into existence; the ultimate Creator must be a being that exists outside of time, an eternal being with neither beginning nor end. (For a more detailed defence of this argument, see William Lane Craig’s The Existence of God and the Beginning of the Universe.)"* Link.

Do Christians agree with the above statement regarding the “First Cause” argument

very good explanation

in order for a cure to exist or a change to exist, there must be something to cause or something to change. So there must exist something before the first cause or the first change in order for that cause to exist.

a change from nothing to something can never happen just like a if nothing exists nothing can’t cause something.

 

[Leegal]

This sentence actually describes lots of things. It could describe a timeless eternal turtle or a timless and eternal quantum vacuum. You name it.

It is so. We believe that God exists outside of time – without beginning and without end. No turtles; no vacuum. “Time” is a mortal construct. We cannot understand it because our minds are limited, but God is not.

I’m sure you did not intend to show disrespect to the belief as the poster presented it.

It is what it is.

 

[sw85]

Yes, as nothing comes from nothing, everything which can be said to be must have its origin in the principle of Being – that which we call God.

Thus God is, as much as we are, a being of radical particularity and personality.

 

[Sam_777]

Thank you all for your contributions…

 

[tonyrey]

*This tells us that the ultimate cause of the universe must never have come into existence; the ultimate Creator must be a being that exists outside of time, an eternal being with neither beginning nor end. *

Then you need to explain how your fantasies satisfy the principle of adequate explanation…