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This is the very thing that confuses me, because I’ve been told by priest, that is not true. I have been told there is No Mass in Heaven! There is no Tree of Life in Heaven, because there are No Sacraments(Covenants) in Heaven.
I want to make this clear, this is what I have been told by priest. I personally believe in the Mass in Heaven were Jesus Christ is High Priest in the Order of Melchizedek! The Wedding Feast of the Lamb is the Mass in Heaven and the fruit from the Tree of Life is the Eucharist!
I have been told by priest this is not a CC teaching. No do you see why I’m confused?
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i have heard somethings from a couple of priests that makes my hair go up. but i understand that these priests formed after VII are not well informed. so i must go to those who know the Church in depth. but even the priests of today have been saying the same thing, the Mass in Heaven joins the CC during Mass and we sing together with the Angels and Saints in Heaven given Glory and thanks to God. we sing the Glory, Kyrie Ellieison, and so forth. during Mass here we know that the Angels surrounds us in the Church. it is a great mystery. Scott hahn mentions something like the Mystery of Faith being the Church.This is the very thing that confuses me, because I’ve been told by priest, that is not true. I have been told there is No Mass in Heaven! There is no Tree of Life in Heaven, because there are No Sacraments(Covenants) in Heaven.
I want to make this clear, this is what I have been told by priest. I personally believe in the Mass in Heaven were Jesus Christ is High Priest in the Order of Melchizedek! The Wedding Feast of the Lamb is the Mass in Heaven and the fruit from the Tree of Life is the Eucharist!
I have been told by priest this is not a CC teaching. No do you see why I’m confused?
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This is the point I have been trying to make. I believe as you do:extrahappy: There is a Mass in Heaven that joins the Mass on earth. In the Eucharistic Liturgy Heaven and earth come together along with the Communion of Saints. Hebrews 12:1 Paul talks of a Clousd of witnesses, the Saints in Heaven in the Shekina Holy cloud joining in with the saints on earth. The Holy Spirit changes the Bread and Wine into the Eucharist(The Tree of Life) the same Tree Adam and Eve had access to in Eden. Adam was both King and Priest until the fall.
When my Mom passed away my Dad had a Mass done for her. I could see my Mom in the Heavenly Mass.My cousin (is a Catholic priest in the Latin rite on my Mom’s side) was there. He told me there is no Mass in Heaven, there is no Tree of Life, and it was not CC thinking of any such nonsense. Mind you this was done on the day we buried my Mom. I don’t understand how a priest can enter into Holy Orders and do such things. I have a real problem with that. The lead people in parishes and have a responsibility to be educated in Scripture.I have prayed for healing of this and some other stuff. What I can’t find out if what I believe is CC teaching or not. I’ve been told the CCC of the Church is not infallible writing and subject to interpretation. Scripture is the only place I have to go to find God’s infallible word. I do not interpret for myself, the Bible interprets itself if you look at it with Covenant eyes like Dr. Scott Hahn says. I hold fast to my belief of the Tree of Life and the Mass in Heaven, God revealed it to me when I was a an Assistant Pastor in a Baptist based Church.
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we must keep in mind the understanding of all things. humans beings are not perfect. the Church is made of humans beings. some will fall, some will say things that are not true, some will make big mistakes, they will repent, they will fall again. this is our human nature. there are Saints and there are no so Saints ones. but we have the confidence that despite all this our Lord has promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church. this is what wemust look to it. it is based on this promise that we must remain faithfull to the Church therefore faithfull to Christ Himself. the Hebrew people wasnt always obedient and perfect, they had their fallen, but God keeps His promise, He will not leave us ever, no matter what people do. He will deal with those unfaithfull ones. but we are not condemn or judge them based on humans ways.
a friend of mine non Catholic told me once: you know, Rome is surrounded by demons. i know what she wanted to say. so i said, true, who do you thing the devil is going after the most? Christ’s Church.
Jesus went through difficult times, even being abandoned by all, yet He is our Lord. the Church my not look like what we think she should be. but she is the One Christ found. that is the beauty of this Church. Christ found her. that is the joy of being Catholic.
a quote from,
**St Augustine
"none of them; none of them is truly Catholic and being Catholic is the chief family trait by which I’m identified. “the Church of the Christian religion is called Catholic, not only by her own members but even by our enemies; for when heretics or the adherents of schisms talk about her, not among themselves but with strangers, they willy-nilly call her nothing else but Catholic for they will not be understood unless they distinguish her by this name which the whole world employs in her regard.” **
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I’m not quite sure what you are trying to tell me.I believe humans do make mistakes, but I also believe some one in leadership(shepherd of a flock) has a responsibility to know the teachings of the Church. I have been persecuted so much for my belief and stance, you have no idea.I gave up being an Assistant Pastor because of those beliefs. I have walk alone with Jesus Christ for a long time. I dwell deep into Scripture, probably more deep than most people are comfortable with. I stand by the fact that the Catholic Church was Eden and the Tree of Life, fruit was the Eucharist. Whether Eden was in Heaven or on Earth no one knows, I do know God dwelt there. I do know Adam was King and Priest until the fall. I been to Catholic Mass and say the Heavenly Mass, and most Catholics, not all, don’t even know what they have. You may ask then why I’m not RC member? I believe so much in the Eucharist, I will not partake unless I believe totally in the RC. I will not go into a Church and partake of something unless I fully believe and follow it’s teachings. This is out of respect and not defiance. Joan of Ark stood by what she believed on to death. Most thought she was crazy,but 400 years later the Catholic Church Canonized her a Saint. No I’m not Joan of Ark! But I will stand fast to what I believe. I have found Pope John Paul II saw many of the same things in the Tree of Life. My problem is there is no doctrine on it and I’m tired of explaining it. Indeed is a great Mystery, but if it was important enough for God to reveal it to Moses, it is important enough for me to reflect, and educate people on her.
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is it what is troubling you, the fact that the Church has not come out and said something about the Tree of Life?
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Yes that’s part of it.So many people claim to have the Full Truth, I feel if the did, they could explain and have a teaching on the Tree of Life. Frankly I’m tired of being persecuted for it.
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i have this website on Rev. you may check it out.
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earlychristianwritings.com/
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I’m not quite sure what you are trying to communicate to me. I totally agree with the website on the Seven churches in Revelation chapter 2-3.This was fulfilled in the first century. These Seven Churches were only 50 miles apart and they all fell.Revelation was John’s way to give Christians hope. John gave a historical significance to God unveiling his Bride the Church,during a time of the greatest persecution, with the exception of the Second Coming. Revelation is one of my favorite books. Daniel gave a historical significance during the time of the Maccabean revolt. History and Revelation are intertwined.Are you truing to tell me I’m a a Heretic or I should stand fast to the teachings I have been given?
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no, i thought you could find there something about the Tree of Life. that is all. did you see the last chapter of rev.? i could not call you a heretic. you are just trying to find the Truth and i commend you for that. God bless.I’m not quite sure what you are trying to communicate to me. I totally agree with the website on the Seven churches in Revelation chapter 2-3.This was fulfilled in the first century. These Seven Churches were only 50 miles apart and they all fell.Revelation was John’s way to give Christians hope. John gave a historical significance to God unveiling his Bride the Church,during a time of the greatest persecution, with the exception of the Second Coming. Revelation is one of my favorite books. Daniel gave a historical significance during the time of the Maccabean revolt. History and Revelation are intertwined.Are you truing to tell me I’m a a Heretic or I should stand fast to the teachings I have been given?
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Thank you wsdomseeker . I wish more on these threads were like you… I seek full truth and knowledge and the Tree of Life is providing me that. I’ve walk alone with Jesus Christ a long time now. I pray every day he guide me. I gave up a lot to be here. I just wish others on these threads would come to grips, that every one have something to offer. I may not be RC member, but it doesn’t mean I’m against RCC.There is such a beauty I wish I could be a part of. I’m not there yet. I can not in good conscience receive Sacraments of RCC unless I find it to be my total truth. When I do something I do it 110% not half way. I trust Jesus Christ will answer my prayers, I have poured myself out to him. He will let me know when the time is right. Not in my time ,but his. Until then I plan on hanging around her and learning from all.
For me and my House will love and serve the Lord.:bowdown2:
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in Heaven the Saints and Angels says, Amen… I pray, Peace and Love of our Lord, the Christ be with You. dont be afraid. Truth will bring you joy and peace.
Wisdom 3
6 As gold in the furnace, he hath proved them, and as a victim of a holocaust, he hath received them, and in time there shall be respect had to them.
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If you really seek the truth and desire to live it, you will become Catholic. It is inevitable. Those who don’t seek the truth, do not become Catholic. It’s hard to see these from the outside looking in, and would be much better if you took an RCIA class. By the time you finished, you could be ready to go, and you would also be able to do so. I can tell you without a doubt, the seven Sacraments in the Catholic Church are valid, licit, and established by God.
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