The first impediment to my return to Catholism

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Thanks 1ke,

My mom married my step dad years before my Father died, however. And yes, my step dad was married previously and, on top of that, has absolutely zero interest in religion…
I can suggest the book Annulment:The Wedding That Was by Michael Smith Foster, it is a better approach than getting answers here willy-nilly (some of which may not be accurate).

Don’t get the cart before the horse, really it is best to take things one step at a time, regarding both your own journey and your mother’s. There are people who can help one step at a time if you and/or she decide to pursue the Church.
 
Thank you all so much for your heartfelt replies. I wish I could respond to each one of you personally. The fact that, though I have been reading, researching, developing for 8 months now in my faith, I have not been able to vocalize a lot of my concerns and thoughts except too my mom who goes to church with me, and that all of you take the time to read my posts and respond thoughtfully, really touches me. (Sorry for the crazy, run-on sentence haha)

Fran, thank you so much for your words. I have been praying for my mom and I to discern the correct paths for ourselves, and to be guided as such by the Holy Spirit, both as individuals and family, for months now.

I want to clarify a bit to everyone. It’s not that I’m a “momma’s boy” or am obsessed with somebody else’s personal sin or am relying on anybody making decisions for me (I’m not saying anybody is inferring this, just trying to clarify) but that, based on my journey, being able to experience this with my mom holds a special importance. During all those years that I professed to be an athiest and ridiculed the church I was also emotionally and physically estranged from my mom. All the while she patiently and quietly prayed for me to return to my faith and turn my life around. When I expressed to her my desire to return to God, which I came to by my own discernment and through the Holy Spirit, my mom cried with joy. Being able to go to church together has brought US closer together, and has helped us reconcile in many ways. So it would hurt both of us if, after all this time, I came back to faith only to go where she feels she can’t. Will that ultimately decide my return to Catholicism? No, it won’t. But it’s important to me nonetheless, and I know what concerns she feels and that she would not create an account to start talking to other Catholics about it herself!

I will continue to pray. I will approach a priest with these questions as well (and, really, these are just part of 7 or 8 issues I feel I need to reconcile before I feel I can sincerely and honestly make a full return, which is what I want to be able to do). I have started praying the rosary, as well, and will try to give myself up to the Holy Spirit more and more.

One more note on the issue of my ex girlfriend and I. It hurts me deeply that we couldn’t make it work. But I do fundamentally disagree with what @LethalExistance said. I have faced advanced, life-threatening cancer, I have faced ridiculous, horrible life circumstances that I brought on myself through my own sin… this IS important–finding truth, regaining a relationship with God, finding forgiveness for my sins… This IS life and death, and even more, it’s eternal! I can’t expect God to demean Himself to society’s standards, to make exceptions because “everyone has sex before marriage now.” Sin is always the same, what is good for us is always good for us, what is bad always bad, regardless of what the society says at the time. So the decision to leave my girlfriend, though I love her and care about her deeply, though it wounds me, because we were living in sin and she refused to allow us to live any other way, was the right decision in my mind. I prayed on it for the better part of a year, I NEVER imposed anything on her but merely attempted to inspire an honest interest in her through my example, and still she, in her own words, “hates everything to do with God and church.” Religion was one aspect of our break up, but a critical one to me. It’s not about scrupulosity–it was about the basics, about just being the right people for one another and trying to avoid the most basic sins. I miss her so much… I miss her so much all the time, at this very moment–but I just cannot put her above God.

Anyway, sorry about the rambling. Again, it’s good to be able to put some of this into words. Thank you all again for taking the time to read and respond.

@johnnyc: I am considering going with her to church and attending mass myself, it would be hard with my schedule, but I still may have to do it.

@DCNBILL: my father is passed away, does that mean an annulment can’t be granted?
If your father has passed away, your Mom won’t need an annulment. His death took care of that. “until death do us part”. Do you think your Mom would talk to a priest? It would be wonderful if you and her could come into the Catholic faith together. And she could marry your stepfather in the Church. Maybe he would even join you both. Then she would be free to go to Confession and after that, receive Our Lord in Holy Communion. God Bless, Memaw
 
Thanks Memaw,

I went to the Holy Trinity Episcopal Church today and we spoke about it. She’s very stand offish about Catholicism due to the negative association, but I think we’ve come to a comfortable compromise. I’ll continue going with her to those services (tho abstain from Communion) and also join an RCIA class myself. The best compromise will probably involve me going to her services with her but mass by myself. And hopefully, over time, she would be willing to go with me to mass and talk to a priest in time…

I love the Episcopal services. I love the liturgy, the symbolism, the tradition, etc. But things keep glaring out at me that nag at me: a complete sweeping under the carpet of Mary except when talking about nativity (in a pamphlet they even say that it’s OK that some people question the immaculate conception!), a very carefully worded explanation of the Eucharist, not explaining it as the actual body and blood in the liturgy (even if the bible reading (the “collect” of the day) is from John where Jesus says explicitly “this bread is my body, this wine is my blood”!), etc. The Catholic church has everything I’m attracted to with Episcopalianism, but seems more biblically accurate…

Thanks again! 🙂
 
During all those years that I professed to be an athiest and ridiculed the church I was also emotionally and physically estranged from my mom. All the while she patiently and quietly prayed for me to return to my faith and turn my life around. When I expressed to her my desire to return to God, which I came to by my own discernment and through the Holy Spirit, my mom cried with joy. Being able to go to church together has brought US closer together, and has helped us reconcile in many ways. So it would hurt both of us if, after all this time, I came back to faith only to go where she feels she can’t. Will that ultimately decide my return to Catholicism? No, it won’t. But it’s important to me nonetheless, and I know what concerns she feels and that she would not create an account to start talking to other Catholics about it herself!

I will continue to pray. I will approach a priest with these questions as well (and, really, these are just part of 7 or 8 issues I feel I need to reconcile before I feel I can sincerely and honestly make a full return, which is what I want to be able to do). I have started praying the rosary, as well, and will try to give myself up to the Holy Spirit more and more.

One more note on the issue of my ex girlfriend and I. It hurts me deeply that we couldn’t make it work. But I do fundamentally disagree with what @LethalExistance said. I have faced advanced, life-threatening cancer, I have faced ridiculous, horrible life circumstances that I brought on myself through my own sin… this IS important–finding truth, regaining a relationship with God, finding forgiveness for my sins… This IS life and death, and even more, it’s eternal! I can’t expect God to demean Himself to society’s standards, to make exceptions because “everyone has sex before marriage now.” Sin is always the same, what is good for us is always good for us, what is bad always bad, regardless of what the society says at the time. So the decision to leave my girlfriend, though I love her and care about her deeply, though it wounds me, because we were living in sin and she refused to allow us to live any other way, was the right decision in my mind. I prayed on it for the better part of a year, I NEVER imposed anything on her but merely attempted to inspire an honest interest in her through my example, and still she, in her own words, “hates everything to do with God and church.” Religion was one aspect of our break up, but a critical one to me. It’s not about scrupulosity–it was about the basics, about just being the right people for one another and trying to avoid the most basic sins. I miss her so much… I miss her so much all the time, at this very moment–but I just cannot put her above God.
Welcome to CA forums and congrats on your successful cancer treatment :tiphat:
What you’ve written there is very powerful.

I’ve added you to my daily rosary.
 
Thank you so much, Steve B!

Rereading it it sounds like sex before marriage was the only aspect that we couldn’t come to terms on–there were many. I am an avid reader and she wouldn’t even let me keep the books about Christianity I had been gathering for 8 months be within her eyesight. She wanted to do many things that I was uncomfortable with, she persisted in a negative, cynical mindset, etc. There were a lot of things.

I still struggle with it. Did I do everything I could to give us the best chance? Did I do the right thing? Sometimes I wake up and feel very very sad with missing her. But even in those moments, though I miss her and would love to see her and hold her again, I do not feel like we should be back together. After praying on it for so long I have to believe that’s the Holy Spirit telling me something…

Thanks again!
Joe
 
Y’know SS, I can assure you that God has a different plan for you that will ultimately prove to fill the sadness that you feel now with more joy and gladness than you can even imagine right now. I have found that He always does.🙂

You hang in here and know that I will remember you in all my prayers and at Mass.
The peace of the Lord be with you always. 🙂
 
Thank you so much, Steve B!

Rereading it it sounds like sex before marriage was the only aspect that we couldn’t come to terms on–there were many. I am an avid reader and she wouldn’t even let me keep the books about Christianity I had been gathering for 8 months be within her eyesight. She wanted to do many things that I was uncomfortable with, she persisted in a negative, cynical mindset, etc. There were a lot of things.

I still struggle with it. Did I do everything I could to give us the best chance? Did I do the right thing? Sometimes I wake up and feel very very sad with missing her. But even in those moments, though I miss her and would love to see her and hold her again, I do not feel like we should be back together. After praying on it for so long I have to believe that’s the Holy Spirit telling me something…

Thanks again!
Joe
You’re welcome

Permission to be direct.

You’ve successfully fought off cancer. Yet fornication is far worse than cancer. If one doesn’t take that sin seriously and erradicate themselves of IT, they will spend an eternity in hell

Here’s why
  • 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 no sexually immoral (πόρνοι fornicator), nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexual offenders ( ἀρσενοκοῖται ), 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
First sin mentioned is fornication. Look how many people today live in that sin. Couples living together today, or one night stands, etc etc, is no big deal… right? No body bats an eye. No body thinks twice about it. Yet look at what fornication will do to the individual in God’s eyes. As Paul warns, one who dies in that sin won’t inherit heaven. i.e. they go to hell.
That consequence (sending a soul to hell) is the definition of what makes a sin a mortal sin. Venial sins ( non grave sins) don’t do that. Only mortal sins do that.

People used to be fearful of hell. One could ask, what happened? No question, Satan has done a masterful job spreading his errors over society to make people indifferent to sin. As Paul notes in that passage, sexual sins are the ruin of many.

IN my observations, people appear to have lost all fear of God and hell, if they even had that fear to begin with. So as a result can we be surprised that people don’t live anymore as if hell is a big deal for THEM. If it exists, they think no body goes there because God is LOVE. And if people ARE actually in hell, THOSE people are really BAD BAD people, and therefore since THEY can’t possibly be THAT bad, THEY won’t go to hell like THESE people, thus they go to heaven. They think they’ve reasoned this whole thing out. And then they find out just the opposite. Going to hell is easy as pie

As Jesus said

Mt 7: 13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy,a] that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

Anyway,

Just thinking outloud with you.

Prayers ascending for you on your journey
 
Thank you, Steve B,

I appreciate your words, and I appreciate your prayers. I am committed to avoiding those sins from now on. There are many things that have great importance to me now that didn’t before. And it’s not just sins of the body (those are easy to avoid now that I’m single again) but sins of the mind, that are becoming more difficult (harder to avoid now that I’m single again). I don’t plan to have lustful thoughts, they pop up out of nowhere, or from seeing women around me. It’s difficult to talk about, but true. I don’t choose to think that, and certainly don’t act on them, but I don’t like that it keeps coming up. I’m not ruled by them, and it’s not something that I feel is out of control, but it will be if I indulge them and I don’t like it. I continue to pray myself, really the only thing I know to do, and hope that, some day, in God’s time, I can be aided by the sacrament of marriage.

Again, thank you very much,
Joe
 
Hello Steve b,

Wow. Okay. Couldn’t agree with you more. It’s so nice to hear people say the same things I believe. Not every catholic believes everything you’ve said. This is disturbing to me, btw, because more should be preached and taught from the pulpit - a pet peeve of mine.

I feel like we’ve gone too far in proclaiming God’s love (which is correct of course) and have totally forgotten that He is also a just God. Maybe we’re afraid of losing parishoners, I don’t know. Priests tell me it’s a Mass not a classroom. So we end up with catholics who don’t know their own religion and we’ve lost many battles on moral issues.

Anyway, sorry for the personal note. Sounds like Sincere Seeker is doing okay. We all have our problems…

God bless you
Fran
p.s. I do believe we are under grace and not under the law, but that would open a whole new thread!!
 
Perhaps it’s because for the last 8 months I have been approaching Catholicism from the perspective of research and prayer… And for years now I have known that there are fundamental problems with society’s standards all around me, something that I’ve come to understand from my own personal experience. For the better part of a year now I have been reading the Bible first, and then commentaries on the Bible, and then books written by Catholics either about Catholicism or about the Bible itself. Very early on in this process I very clearly saw that if I was going to pick and choose what I believed in the Bible then I would be lowering God to our standards, and I already knew our standards were flawed. And if we bring God down to our standards we would then be saying “well, God has it right on all the stuff that fits in neatly with our lives, but the rest of that stuff–man, God has got to get with the times!” As if we have becomes more enlightened in our experience than God. But honestly, if anyone really lives, or tries to live, by what society says is right, I believe they will be led to emptiness, sadness and regret. At least I was.

I came to this from the standpoint of being a self-avowed atheist–if SOME of it were right, ALL had to be right. I was not interested in touchy feely new age spiritualism or convenience.

I wasn’t led towards Catholicism by social groups or anybody I know, either. I hope that your words aren’t entirely correct, though, because I very much hope to meet other like minded people in my area in the Catholic church in the coming months. I would even like to eventually meet my wife, wherever she is at this moment…

But what you say surprises me a little. From the outside, from listening to EWTN radio, reading books by Catholics, by hearing what the Pope and Vatican has to say, it seems as if the Catholic church still holds by it’s ideas and traditions…
 
Hello Steve b,

Wow. Okay. Couldn’t agree with you more. It’s so nice to hear people say the same things I believe. Not every catholic believes everything you’ve said.
True, and they do so at huge risk.

Since it’s what the Church and scripture teaches, who do they appeal to for a higher authority to refute it? They have no such source, no such authority.
f:
This is disturbing to me, btw, because more should be preached and taught from the pulpit - a pet peeve of mine.
Agreed
f:
I feel like we’ve gone too far in proclaiming God’s love (which is correct of course) and have totally forgotten that He is also a just God.
Agreed
f:
Maybe we’re afraid of losing parishoners, I don’t know. Priests tell me it’s a Mass not a classroom. So we end up with catholics who don’t know their own religion and we’ve lost many battles on moral issues.
I remember a time when priests gave those homilies and no body was scared away, people respond to truth.
f:
Anyway, sorry for the personal note. Sounds like Sincere Seeker is doing okay. We all have our problems…

God bless you
Fran
Thanks and the same in return
f:
p.s. I do believe we are under grace and not under the law, but that would open a whole new thread!!
As an aside, the “law” being spoken of there by Paul was the Mosaic law(s), 613 of them.
jewfaq.org/613.htm

Hence doing THEM, and living by THEM, brought about the pharase “works” or “works of law” as opposed to doing and living by “good works”
 
Hello Steve b,

Wow. Okay. Couldn’t agree with you more. It’s so nice to hear people say the same things I believe. Not every catholic believes everything you’ve said. This is disturbing to me, btw, because more should be preached and taught from the pulpit - a pet peeve of mine.

I feel like we’ve gone too far in proclaiming God’s love (which is correct of course) and have totally forgotten that He is also a just God. Maybe we’re afraid of losing parishoners, I don’t know. Priests tell me it’s a Mass not a classroom. So we end up with catholics who don’t know their own religion and we’ve lost many battles on moral issues.

Anyway, sorry for the personal note. Sounds like Sincere Seeker is doing okay. We all have our problems…

God bless you
Fran
p.s. I do believe we are under grace and not under the law, but that would open a whole new thread!!
Let’s not put the onus on the priest/deacon; we’re ALL called to spread the Gospel. While it is proper and respectful to listen to the homily delivered after the Gospel reading, we can discuss and share our experiences with other people on that same Gospel. This is encouraged by the church but we as Catholics need to learn more about our church doctrine if we’re to speak on these matters appropriately; we can’t just give our uninformed opinions else it confuse those with less understanding of the faith. Likewise, we need to study hermeneutics if we are to discuss Scripture or cite solidly Catholic teachings and sources to avoid error.

I agree with you that many Catholics are poorly catechized and don’t know the Bible as well as they should so I recommend everyone learn the faith and the Word of God. Both are truly wonderful to learn and come with much grace. 👍
 
Perhaps it’s because for the last 8 months I have been approaching Catholicism from the perspective of research and prayer… And for years now I have known that there are fundamental problems with society’s standards all around me, something that I’ve come to understand from my own personal experience. For the better part of a year now I have been reading the Bible first, and then commentaries on the Bible, and then books written by Catholics either about Catholicism or about the Bible itself. Very early on in this process I very clearly saw that if I was going to pick and choose what I believed in the Bible then I would be lowering God to our standards, and I already knew our standards were flawed. And if we bring God down to our standards we would then be saying “well, God has it right on all the stuff that fits in neatly with our lives, but the rest of that stuff–man, God has got to get with the times!” As if we have becomes more enlightened in our experience than God. But honestly, if anyone really lives, or tries to live, by what society says is right, I believe they will be led to emptiness, sadness and regret. At least I was.

I came to this from the standpoint of being a self-avowed atheist–if SOME of it were right, ALL had to be right. I was not interested in touchy feely new age spiritualism or convenience.

I wasn’t led towards Catholicism by social groups or anybody I know, either. I hope that your words aren’t entirely correct, though, because I very much hope to meet other like minded people in my area in the Catholic church in the coming months. I would even like to eventually meet my wife, wherever she is at this moment…

But what you say surprises me a little. From the outside, from listening to EWTN radio, reading books by Catholics, by hearing what the Pope and Vatican has to say, it seems as if the Catholic church still holds by it’s ideas and traditions…
You bet it does, and always will no matter how many lukewarm, cafeteria type Catholics there are. The Catholic Church will always teach Christ’s TRUTHS till the end of time, like HE promised. Thanks to the Holy Spirit!! It’s up to us to live up to them. Trust God !! Prayers and I do hope you find the girl God has in mind for you! God Bless, Memaw
 
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