The five pillars of Islam: someone changed them!

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The five pillars of Islam are, according to modern Muslims:
  1. Profession of faith
  2. Prayer five times a day
  3. Paying the Zakat
  4. Fasting during Ramadan
  5. Pilgrimage to Kaaba
The five pillars of Islam according to Mohammed (page six of his farewell sermon):
  1. Prayer five times a day
  2. Fasting during Ramadan
  3. Paying the Zakat
  4. Pilgrimage to Kaaba
  5. Obedience to rulers
I wonder who changed the pillars of Islam?
 
Eucharisted said:
The five pillars of Islam are, according to modern Muslims:
The five pillars of Islam according to Mohammed (page six of his farewell sermon):
  1. Prayer five times a day
  2. Fasting during Ramadan
  3. Paying the Zakat
  4. Pilgrimage to Kaaba
    5. Obedience to rulers
I wonder who changed the pillars of Islam?
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This is easy, when the prophet Muhammad (pbuh&hf) passed away, there was a lot of controversy as to who will be his successor. His enemies who had no share in ruling over the Muslims prevailed. Yet many of the people continued to rebel against the rulers because they saw them as illegitimate usurpers. This rebellion against the rulers continued with the passing of time, and so the rulers of the Umayyid and Abassid dynasties decided to use the religion in their favor by hiring hadith forgers, they would woo some foolish people with gold and pleasure so they would spread a certain hadith in the rulers favor.
 
famdigy said:
This is easy, when the prophet Muhammad (pbuh&hf) passed away, there was a lot of controversy as to who will be his successor. His enemies who had no share in ruling over the Muslims prevailed. Yet many of the people continued to rebel against the rulers because they saw them as illegitimate usurpers. This rebellion against the rulers continued with the passing of time, and so the rulers of the Umayyid and Abassid dynasties decided to use the religion in their favor by hiring hadith forgers, they would woo some foolish people with gold and pleasure so they would spread a certain hadith in the rulers favor.
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Thanks 🙂
 
famdigy said:
This is easy, when the prophet Muhammad (pbuh&hf) passed away, there was a lot of controversy as to who will be his successor. His enemies who had no share in ruling over the Muslims prevailed. Yet many of the people continued to rebel against the rulers because they saw them as illegitimate usurpers. This rebellion against the rulers continued with the passing of time, and so the rulers of the Umayyid and Abassid dynasties decided to use the religion in their favor by hiring hadith forgers, they would woo some foolish people with gold and pleasure so they would spread a certain hadith in the rulers favor.
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Fam,

I know you are a Shia, but is the Sunni view the same???
 
This is just a historical detail, but I thought that praying five times daily was added after Mohammad’s death, and that the early Muslim community prayed only twice a day. In which case your list of pillars Mohammad instituted should read “daily prayer” not “prayer five times per day.” Anyone know the answer to this?
 
jakasaki said:
Fam,

I know you are a Shia, but is the Sunni view the same???
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hard to say, they don’t have a central religious authority whom they all follow, anyone can call himself an imam and gather group of people around him who will follow.

There are many hadiths in their authentic books, especially the Bukhari and Muslim that demand loyalty to the ruler. This is problematic since many sunnis consider every hadith in these books to be authentic, that is to say its not a forgery. Keep in mind that the sunni schools of though were state supported. There were lots of different Muslim schools of thought in the early years, many of them were banned by the state and their followers persecuted. The sunni school of thought on the other hand was the state supported religion. Their scholars, hadith narrators, imams, authors etc. had close contact and took their marching orders from the rulers of those dynasties.

One example of a hadith asking for loyalty to the ruler is below, and is authentic according to the sunni science of categorizing hadith.

Narrated Hudayfh Ibn al-Yaman:

Prophet said: “There will come rulers after me who do not guide to my guidance and do not practice my Sunnah, and the hearts of some them are the hearts of Satans but they are in the body of human.” I said: “What should we do at that time?” Prophet (PBUH) said:“You should just listen to them and obey those rulers. No matter if they hurt you and take your wealth, you should follow them and obey them.”

Sahih Muslim
 
famdigy said:
Narrated Hudayfh Ibn al-Yaman:

Prophet said: “There will come rulers after me who do not guide to my guidance and do not practice my Sunnah, and the hearts of some them are the hearts of Satans but they are in the body of human.” I said: “What should we do at that time?” Prophet (PBUH) said:“You should just listen to them and obey those rulers. No matter if they hurt you and take your wealth, you should follow them and obey them.”
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Sounds almost Nazist.
 
famdigy said:
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One example of a hadith asking for loyalty to the ruler is below, and is authentic according to the sunni science of categorizing hadith.

Narrated Hudayfh Ibn al-Yaman:

**Prophet said: “There will come rulers after me who do not guide to my guidance and do not practice my Sunnah, and the hearts of some them are the hearts of Satans but they are in the body of human.” **I said: “What should we do at that time?”

Prophet (PBUH) said:“You should just listen to them and obey those rulers. No matter if they hurt you and take your wealth, you should follow them and obey them.”

Sahih Muslim
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Gee Famdigy - here is mohamad saying that some of these “rulers” will have the heart of satan(s) and in the same breath mohamad tells his companions to follow these satanic rulers??? 🤷
 
jakasaki said:
Gee Famdigy - here is mohamad saying that some of these “rulers” will have the heart of satan(s) and in the same breath mohamad tells his companions to follow these satanic rulers??? 🤷
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Actually, the hadith is not from Mohammed. It’s an attempt by some Muslims to gain control of Mohammed’s followers. (Which is why I made my above comment)
 
jakasaki said:
Fam,

I know you are a Shia, but is the Sunni view the same???
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I should also add, there is a great deal of evidence to support the view that Sunni hadith and history books were first compiled under the direct order of Umayyid kings. The first authors were al-zuhri, and his two students, Musa and Mohammad ibn Ishaq. These authors were attached to the royal family of the Umayyah kings.

The shia view them as agents of the corrupt state, who worked to distort the religion for worldly gain.
 
famdigy said:
I should also add, there is a great deal of evidence to support the view that Sunni hadith and history books were first compiled under the direct order of Umayyid kings. The first authors were al-zuhri, and his two students, Musa and Mohammad ibn Ishaq. These authors were attached to the royal family of the Umayyah kings.

The shia view them as agents of the corrupt state, who worked to distort the religion for worldly gain.
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And the Sunni view and accuse Shia “as agents of the corrupt state”… 🤷

I just don’t know anymore… :confused:

Thanks much Fam, and best regards…
Pam
 
Eucharisted said:
The five pillars of Islam are, according to modern Muslims:
  1. Profession of faith
  2. Prayer five times a day
  3. Paying the Zakat
  4. Fasting during Ramadan
  5. Pilgrimage to Kaaba
The five pillars of Islam according to Mohammed (page six of his farewell sermon):
  1. Prayer five times a day
  2. Fasting during Ramadan
  3. Paying the Zakat
  4. Pilgrimage to Kaaba
  5. Obedience to rulers
I wonder who changed the pillars of Islam?
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  1. Profession of faith
  2. Prayer five times a day
  3. Paying the Zakat
  4. Fasting during Ramadan
  5. Pilgrimage to Kaaba
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Hi Nick,

I was just reading the hadith from Bukhari and they are stated like this.
  1. To testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle.
  2. To offer the (compulsory congregational) prayers dutifully and perfectly.
  3. To pay Zakat (i.e. obligatory charity) .
  4. To perform Hajj. (i.e. Pilgrimage to Mecca)
  5. To observe fast during the month of Ramadan.
1 and 1 match
2 and 2 match
3 and 3 match
4 matches with 5
5 matches with 4

:confused:
 
jakasaki said:
And the Sunni view and accuse Shia “as agents of the corrupt state”… 🤷

I just don’t know anymore… :confused:

Thanks much Fam, and best regards…
Pam
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No, they accuse us of being agents of Jews and Safavids 🙂
 
** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

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famdigy said:
…hearts of Satans …You should just listen to them
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Anything that goes aganist holy Quran can be accepted to Muslims. Allah declared that He sent the last Prophet as a mercy to all. Muhammed (pbuh) obeyed Allah but he ordered Muslims to follow those who are evil ?? :confused:

Prophet’s beloved companion & Muslims First Caliph Abu Bakr (ra ) said : Obey me as long as I obey Allah and His Prophet; when I disobey Him and His Prophet, obey me not.

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jakasaki said:
Did you see my post #12 to Nick yet.
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Yes I did, All sunni muslims follow the 5 pillars as written in bukhari
  1. Profession of faith
  2. Prayer five times a day
  3. Paying the Zakat
  4. Fasting during Ramadan
  5. Pilgrimage to Kaaba
 
famdigy said:
Yes I did, All sunni muslims follow the 5 pillars as written in bukhari
  1. Profession of faith
  2. Prayer five times a day
  3. Paying the Zakat
  4. Fasting during Ramadan
  5. Pilgrimage to Kaaba
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But Fam, #4 and #5 are not in the proper spot. So which is right? Or it doesn’t matter?
  1. To testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle.
  2. To offer the (compulsory congregational) prayers dutifully and perfectly.
  3. To pay Zakat (i.e. obligatory charity) .
  4. To perform Hajj. (i.e. Pilgrimage to Mecca)
  5. To observe fast during the month of Ramadan.
 
jakasaki said:
But Fam, #4 and #5 are not in the proper spot. So which is right? Or it doesn’t matter?
4. To perform Hajj. (i.e. Pilgrimage to Mecca)
5. To observe fast during the month of Ramadan.
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the order of 4, 5 doesn’t matter.
 
Eucharisted said:
The five pillars of Islam are, according to modern Muslims:
  1. Profession of faith
  2. Prayer five times a day
  3. Paying the Zakat
  4. Fasting during Ramadan
  5. Pilgrimage to Kaaba
The five pillars of Islam according to Mohammed (page six of his farewell sermon):
  1. Prayer five times a day
  2. Fasting during Ramadan
  3. Paying the Zakat
  4. Pilgrimage to Kaaba
  5. Obedience to rulers
I wonder who changed the pillars of Islam?
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Muhammad never enumerates five pillars. The current five are from a Hadith from the second Caliph Umar
 
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