The flood Local or Worldwide

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I think the flood story is fascinating. You are right about the notion of a worldwide flood as a historical event.
We are also aware that seperate cultures have versions of flood events in their seperate cultures.
I find the " idea" itself planted across cultures to be fascinating. Is there something to the Jung idea of archetypes?
If we all find the idea in our minds virtually collectively, what is important
that distinguishes it from history?
Why wouldn’t revelation happen this way if it is the spiritual lesson that matters? Hmmm. Lol
 
Thanks for the great reply. What you have written makes sense and is kind of what my understanding of the passage. But I don’t like to use the bible to prove the bible that is why I was looking for something more.
 
TARRAT said:
came here is hopes that somebody would give me the reasoned Catholic response that I didn’t have at my finger tips. I don’t suppose that they will believe the Catholic reasoning that I will show them from what I learned here.
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I’m a pretty reasoning Catholic and I’m with the global flood and also with CarmeliteKnights explanation of baptism. Christ himself spoke about Noah and the flood. He is referring to the t destruction applicable to every creature on earth that will also happen at the end of the world
 
The CIA has a photo it has labelled “Ararat anomaly,” and it is believed the ark came to rest on Mount Ararat. For security reasons, the government of Turkey has restricted access.
 
Considering most civilization had to live near some type of fresh water supply, and the bigger the civilization the larger the source, it’s not surprising that there would be a flooding event.
 
edwest211 said:
There are hundreds of stories and legends about a worldwide flood. Why do diverse cultures share a strikingly similar story?
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Maybe because floods happen all over the place? Doesn’t mean they were all the same flood though.
 
In regards to God baptizing the world, as Catholics we should remember the sacrament is not only valid by immersion alone ; e.g. , sprinkling is just as valid.
 
For the record, the Flood story is literally universal. It is not “Jewish story telling.”
 
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Maybe because floods happen all over the place? Doesn’t mean they were all the same flood though.
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It’s perfectly true that they do happen all over. But name one a clan or family historically that ever had the foresight to build a ship to survive a sudden, major flooding event to the exclusion of all others around them, let alone imagine this happened to dozens of different cultures and apparently only once each time? So your theory at least explains why the story would be universal but it does not explain the business about surviving it by building a boat and how everyone (at least in the broader culture) came from those seafaring survivors.
 
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Easy. One legend spread and copied. Names changed to reflect the audience’s culture.
 
Why would other cultures adopt a foreign culture’s belief that they apparently were forewarned by the gods to build a boat as a huge flood was coming to punish everyone and place their primordial ancestors in it? Why would they suppress and replace their own origins myths or legends with a foreign one?
 
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God literally gave assembly instructions for the ark. Contemporary models have been built and found to be seaworthy.
 
TARRAT said:
What are we to believe about the flood of Noah? Was it a world wide flood or just a middle eastern flood?
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Here is what I believe based upon the evidence at hand, from scripture, history, geography, geology and archaeology:

I like to believe truth and facts.
 
The basic tale that is common to many cultures is much more simple than that. Essentially a pair or small group either was already in a craft or managed to build something and only they survived. Various cultures had different embellishments. Please note that I am not claiming that this is exactly what happened, but that it does explain the issue you raised. And no, I will not continue with this particular subject ad nauseum.
 
absolutely, but the question was about specifically the story of “Noah’s flood” and how it relates in the Christian religion and the Church’s teaching.
 
That does not explain, though, how or why any culture would appropriate the story. The most ancient versions we have (Sumerian, Hebrew, Greek) all have this much in common: a flood was sent by God/the gods. Primordial ancestors/patriarchs survive it in some sort of craft after being warned. All other variants are remnants or pieces from this same story and it the original version can be reconstructed from the oldest known versions, in terms of details (the Sumerian and Hebrew).

There is simply no reason for so many cultures to appropriate this tale and supplant their own legends or myths for it. That remains completely inexplicable. You can fancifully imagine some story of your own as to how or why this tale was known across the world but it is 100% conjecture.
 
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supplant their own legends
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Perhaps I wasn’t clear, or perhaps I worded it poorly. Many cultures have or had their own small group of survivors legends related to a flood narrative and perhaps embellished them from other culture’s versions (or not). But floods happen everywhere, many cultures have this sort of small group of survivors narrative to explain why people are still here after such a devastating event, sometimes details can be adapted from neighbors (or conquerors or conquered), and some may adapt such stories completely from other groups if they don’t already have one of their own. But none of this is evidence of a single worldwide event.
 
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