The future of Europe is Islam

[Ogdisciple]

Please don’t try to answer me if your not Muslim. I want to hear from a Muslim perspective

 

[BlackFriar]

These Pew figures have been criticised as far too conservative.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/26/muslim-majority-in-france-projected-in-40-years/

Nor does it take account of the situation in France where Muslims numbers are the highest.
Even by very conservative Pew reckoning the populations in France alone will be around 25% by 2050. If the population in France is now as the 2nd article asserts is 10% (Pew says 8.8) then that goes to 30% even by Pew.

Pew says Muslim birth rate per woman is 1 child more then Euros in Europe. The above article says this is mistaken, and in Francis is 2 more per Euro woman (3.6 versus 1.4).
That will clearly blow the Pew figures out of the water by 2050 in France alone.

The natural consequences of a contraceptive mentality and increasingly individualistic lifestyle values are certainly coming home to roost for the European population.

 

[KATRINA_68]

Slovakia as well.

 

[PJH_74]

Please don’t try to answer me if your not Muslim. I want to hear from a Muslim perspective

I didn’t originally reply to anything saying you wanted a Muslim perspective. That said, why is it an individual Muslim’s part to solve the amoral actions of another and more importantly how do you know they don’t? Is a Christian put on the spot to solve or speak out about such acts based solely on their religious affiliation? There are plenty of violent acts, even mass murder, done by Christians or at least nominal ones. Muslims are a much more diverse group than this question makes them out to be, many are American born and even serve with pride in the American army.

 

[ATraveller]

Here the issue hatred of Islam (and some other groups) has been used recently to gain political power.

Where do we suppose that originated from? The vast majority of people don’t just wake up and instantly tell themselves they hate Islam. That double standard employed is a great deal of it.
In any case, it’s okay for people to hate a religion in a free society. What’s not okay is to attack and mistreat people following a religion. That’s something plenty of people in media and politics apply to Christianity except for Islam. Again, I refer to the treatment of Richard Dawkins on this point.

 

[PJH_74]

Where do we suppose that originated from? The vast majority of people don’t just wake up and instantly tell themselves they hate Islam. That double standard employed is a great deal of it.

In any case, it’s okay for people to hate a religion in a free society. What’s not okay is to attack and mistreat people following a religion. That’s something plenty of people in media and politics apply to Christianity except for Islam. Again, I refer to the treatment of Richard Dawkins on this point.

No, they’re waking up to the fact that they are slowly losing their cultural majority and associated power. The current political climate is based almost solely on this. The things that have been said in the open would have tanked a political career not too long ago. Now, not only is it ignored, it gives more credence to those who are willing to say or do it. The sad thing is those who are the true believers are letting themselves be fleeced by those who seek wealth, profits, or political power and unfortunately the rest of us are being pulled down with it.

 

[ATraveller]

they’re waking up to the fact that they are slowly losing their cultural majority and associated power.

That’s no doubt part of it. That’s been the case for quite a while. But the elites see Islam as an amazing salt to rub into their wounds, wounds the elites also inflicted.
Being in denial of that double standard accomplishes nothing except increasing hostilities toward Muslims.

 

[Ogdisciple]

So your just an individual when it comes to your religion? Mother Teressa was just one person and she changed how the world thinks. You guys are on the inside, why not you? You can start the movement from within which will begin your leaders to take a stand against that kind of violence. In Christianity, we would stand against violence like that if their promoting it in the name of our God because we know Our God will be with us! Rome didn’t fall to Christianity (Catholicism) because of them using violence to fight for God, it fell because of the blood of the martyrs. So you could start the movement of helping the authorities from within if you wanted to.

 

[PJH_74]

Ummm…if you’re claiming that the US is a Christian County, are you willing to acknowledge and fight against “collateral” damage caused by the American army? Can you fight against needlessly invading countries only to destabilize them and cause unnecessary death as a result. Big militaries are the way powerful countries fight and justify their actions as legitimate no matter the objective results. Those with out real power are forced to fight other ways, though that doesn’t mean the cause is right either

 

[Ogdisciple]

I don’t know wat happened to my last comment but to answer u yes America is a CHRISTIAN nation. And if someone uses the name of God in a violent way we the people of God will protest back to let others know they doing that on their own and has nothing to do with our God. Why don’t you guys do the same??

 

[ATraveller]

America is a CHRISTIAN nation

America is most certainly NOT a Christian nation. A country that goes around creating wars in other countries. A country that is the largest producer of porn in the world. A country where only 25% of its population attends church weekly. A country where many ignore the plight of others. A country where abortion on demand is widely supported. A country where same-sex ‘marriage’ is widely supported. A country where people worship sports. A country where people worship politicians. A country where deliberate drunkenness is common. Doesn’t sound like a Christian country by any means.

 

[ConfusedLucy]

It’s interesting in the UK. Generally we don’t feel like a Christian country, most are happily secular but if people feel threatened by Islam all of a sudden many start talking about the UKs Christian values.

 

[PJH_74]

It’s interesting in the UK. Generally we don’t feel like a Christian country, most are happily secular but if people feel threatened by Islam all of a sudden many start talking about the UKs Christian values

It’s the same in the US, while we are definitely more religious than the UK, there are more “Christians” that come out of the woodwork when they feel their culture threatened. My spouse is a Lutheran Pastor, we see it first hand. As my spouse likes to say sometimes, some churches are more of a Jesus flavored social club than a church. We even have a large group of conservative Christians who gladly embrace our President who at best is a Prosperity Gospel Christian; but I’m quite sure this is an act. He says the right words therefore our “Christian Heritage” is preserved.

 

[ChunkMonk]

They are just like us!

Thirty-two-year-old Ahmad married his first wife, Lina, when she was thirteen. He married his third, Betool, when she was fourteen. That would have been statutory rape not so long ago, but instead Ahmad gets to live with both wives and his six children in a two-story house in Schleswig-Holstein paid for, like everything else in the illiterate unskilled unemployed refugee’s life, by German taxpayers.

As generations pass, the muslim communities become more diluted and properly integrated into standard society,

Conventional wisdom… Except it flies in the face of the facts.

The State Submits

I've written many times over the last decade and a half about that rare bird the "moderate Muslim". Surely one reason for his scarceness is that, whenever he pops his head above the parapet, he's hung out to dry by craven infidel politicians and

www.steynonline.com

 

[SuperLuigi]

I can’t imagine people respecting Muslims’ right to disagree with gay marriage etc for long?

Islam is much higher on the totem pole of victimization. The gay “rights” movement is already seceding ground in Europe to conservative Islam. It’s now “racist” to have a gay pride parade in a Muslim neighborhood. In the UK a major school district dialed down its GLBTQ issue propaganda machine because Muslims complained.

The thing you have to understand about the gay issues in the west is that despite all of the virtue-slgnaling and all-out war with Catholics, Christians and even liberal atheists who see it going too far: most of these people are bandwagoners and some of them would sell out their GLBTQ “friends”.

The gay marriage movement is—or was, rather—the flavor of the month. It isn’t anymore. Should sharia law become cool in the West, the bandwagoners will jump ship and support it. It’s at a point now where if worked for the CIA or Scotland Yard, I would be counting on a fairly suprising segment of the population to betray their own nation and NATO if radical Islam, Russia, China or North Korea attacked.

They won’t blame Islam, but they will blame me for pointing it out. Deep down, they know it’s true.

 

[pocaracas]

I write about a multi generational shift, and you give me people who have moved on in the past few years…

 

[ConfusedLucy]

At least it gets them out of the house. These sorts of Christian values folk in the UK are usually all talk

 

[PJH_74]

The gay marriage movement is—or was, rather—the flavor of the month. It isn’t anymore. Should sharia law become cool in the West

The Supreme Court ruled on gay marriage, it’s a decided thing, that’s why noise about it is dying down. Many elements of full Sharia Law are illegal by US law and there is no legal way to enforce it. Hand cutting, eye gouging, and stoning are in Sharia Law, scary, but here’s the inconvenient truth; they’re in the Bible too. So should I fear you implementing Biblical Law in this country?

 

[SuperLuigi]

We’re talking about Europe, not the USA.

Besides, all it would take would be +1 Muslim judge to reverse so-called gay “marriage” in America. It’s future isn’t bright to be sure.

that’s why noise about it is dying down.

I think you better check the demographic situation your side is celebrating.

Hand cutting, eye gouging, and stoning are in Sharia Law, scary, but here’s the inconvenient truth; they’re in the Bible too.

If you have a problem with these practices, I suggest talking to the Jews. Or the countries that currently practice these things which are Muslim majority.

 

[PJH_74]

We’re talking about Europe, not the USA.

Same complaints, a county with Christian roots, afraid of losing their roots and future to Islam

Besides, all it would take would be +1 Muslim judge

I’m sure you’d be complaining about that too.

If you have a problem with these practices, I suggest talking to the Jews. Or the countries that currently practice these things which are Muslim majority.

You’re dodging my point, these sort of punishments are present in Jewish, Christian, and Muslim law. And yes, Biblical punishments (or similar) have been implemented at certain points; the Inquisition comes to mind.