The gates of hell won't prevail against it?

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Pope benedict XVI has apologized on many occasions for the horrible sex abuse that clergy in the Roman Catholic Church have been guilty of against children. How sincere is he really? Maybe the pope is very sincere or maybe he has simply realized that the monster that the RCC created just can’t be compacted any further than the most effort filled attempts by the RCC have proven. Many Catholics blame the media for (blowing it all out of shape) as they call and yet some Catholics believe that the crimes that took place are haneous and horrible. Here are some simple undeniable facts about the scandal.
  • 107 Roman Catholic clergy members have been convicted of sexual crimes against children since the scandal has been uncovered.
  • Over $2 billion has been paid out by the RCC in lawsuits
    to victims of the sexual abuse scandal.
  • For decades, many of these clergy members have been moved to other diocese, moved to other countries and put into other positions to avoid responsibility for their crimes.
I would like to believe that Pope Benedict XVI has come to the prayerful conclusion that the scandal has devastated so very many and the RCC as well. I will say that I believe that he is doing the right thing because I believe that this is the only way that the RCC can truly move forward.
 
An Anglican is one to talk about the “gates of hell.” Are you paying attention to what’s going on at Lambeth, SIA? What a sad, pathetic joke.
 
The gates of hell have not prevailed against the Catholic Church! Ever! The Church is still intact, however, various clergymen have fallen to some dark sins and caused tremendous pain to the victims whose faith has been shattered in many cases, their direct victims, and likewise their indirect victims - those whose faith has been harmed or completely destroyed by the scandal they have caused.

Such a scandal merits attention and a solid solution, for the sake of the victims, direct and indirect, however, we shouldn’t confuse all the attention given to such clergymen as the Church. If we understand the nature of the Church, that She is not bound to the actions of one man, or even a number of men, or even great numbers men, then we can see that the gates of hell have never, have not now, and will never prevail against Her.

The Church is still here, after 2,000 years, still standing, and despite constant opposition and great periods of bitterness along the way, still going.
 
SIA said:
How sincere is he really?
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Wouldn’t matter if he did backward flips while kissing their feet, many still would reject his sincerity.

And no, “the gates of hell shall not prevail.”

You’ve seen this list ?
 
ibkc said:
An Anglican is one to talk about the “gates of hell.” Are you paying attention to what’s going on at Lambeth, SIA? What a sad, pathetic joke.
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uh, is Bishop Orombi at Lambeth? I don’t think so.😉
 
If the Church had proclaimed the innocence of the predators, or had declared doctrine to the effect that the sexual molestation of children and young adults was acceptable, then the gates of Hell would have prevailed against the Church.

That isn’t what happened.

There are, sadly, many members of the Church who practice things clearly against Church teachings. That doesn’t mean Hell has prevailed against the CHURCH, but rather against those individuals’ souls.

Compare it to, say, democracy. Just because many people have done terrible things while operating under it doesn’t render the system a failure.
 
Compare it to, say, democracy. Just because many people have done terrible things while operating under it doesn’t render the system a failure.
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The best things are short, sweet, and to the point. Great example.
 
Feedmysheep said:
If the Church had proclaimed the innocence of the predators, or had declared doctrine to the effect that the sexual molestation of children and young adults was acceptable, then the gates of Hell would have prevailed against the Church.

That isn’t what happened.

There are, sadly, many members of the Church who practice things clearly against Church teachings. That doesn’t mean Hell has prevailed against the CHURCH, but rather against those individuals’ souls.

Compare it to, say, democracy. Just because many people have done terrible things while operating under it doesn’t render the system a failure.
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Do you think that the victims of the clergy abuse buy into what you are saying?
 
Do you think it’s outrageous to use the abuse of children to attack the Catholic Church when it’s evident that the Catholic Church is not at fault, but individuals?

And heck, I’m sure some of the victims also stopped believing in God. Should we then stop believing in God, too?
 
Jonathan_Cid said:
Do you think it’s outrageous to use the abuse of children to attack the Catholic Church when it’s evident that the Catholic Church is not at fault, but individuals?

And heck, I’m sure some of the victims also stopped believing in God. Should we then stop believing in God, too?
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Correct me here if I am wrong, but isn’t it individuals that govern the church?
 
SIA said:
Please get your churches straight before you bash them. :knight2:
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Your Bishop’s stand against the decadence of the Communion is admirable, but you are all fruit from the same tree. A mighty fortress is my God, and I am so glad I am no longer a part of that mess. 😉
 
Correct me here if I am wrong, but isn’t it individuals that govern the church?
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Sure, and they haven’t had anything to do with sexual abuse.

If an individual in your own family (God forbid) molested a child, would your family be guilty? Did the gates of hell prevail against your family?
 
ibkc said:
Your Bishop’s stand against the decadence of the Communion is admirable, but you are all fruit from the same tree. A mighty fortress is my God, and I am so glad I am no longer a part of that mess. 😉
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The views you speak of are minority views in the Anglican Communion, not the majority. Just as Catholics blame individuals for sex crimes in the church and not the church; what is good for the goose is good for the gander. You can’t have it both ways.
 
SIA said:
Pope benedict XVI has apologized on many occasions for the horrible sex abuse that clergy in the Roman Catholic Church have been guilty of against children. How sincere is he really?
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Why does it matter? The Pope has nothing to apologize for - he didn’t do anything wrong. The individuals who were guilty have all either died or gone to jail. (Many of them committed suicide.)

Those who were suspected of wrongdoing, but couldn’t be found guilty, are suspended from their duties - a great many of these ones also committed suicide.

Justice has prevailed.
 
Also, take Christ’s words again: “Upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against Her.”

Does that mean that if any Christian loses their faith or does anything contrary to the faith (because, surprise, molesting children is contrary to Catholic faith), Jesus lied? Did Jesus lie that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church?

Again, in that case, let’s just give up on religion and God. Forget them - after all, if someone abandons their faith, goes and does something outrageous, it is the Church which teaches the faith that is to blame, not just the person who has been taught against what they are doing.
 
jmcrae said:
Why does it matter? The Pope has nothing to apologize for - he didn’t do anything wrong. The individuals who were guilty have all either died or gone to jail. (Many of them committed suicide.)

Those who were suspected of wrongdoing, but couldn’t be found guilty, are suspended from their duties - a great many of these ones also committed suicide.

Justice has prevailed.
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The Pope’s apology is simply a heartfelt saying “I feel for what has happened”. Something akin to saying “I’m so sorry” if one of your family members did something they weren’t supposed to do, even hideous or atrocious. It doesn’t mean he’s responsible for it. Would you say that the Pope should be arrested and prosecuted? Of course not, that’s absurd.

Please, stop trying to use this to attack the Roman Catholic Church - in paradoxical ways you’re bringing down the Anglican Church. Lose the subjectivity. Get objective. Lose the bias.
 
Jonathan_Cid said:
The Pope’s apology is simply a heartfelt saying “I feel for what has happened”. Something akin to saying “I’m so sorry” if one of your family members did something they weren’t supposed to do, even hideous or atrocious. It doesn’t mean he’s responsible for it. Would you say that the Pope should be arrested and prosecuted? Of course not, that’s absurd.

Please, stop trying to use this to attack the Roman Catholic Church - in paradoxical ways you’re bringing down the Anglican Church. Lose the subjectivity. Get objective. Lose the bias.
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I’m assuming this is addressed to the original poster … 😉
 
jmcrae said:
Why does it matter? The Pope has nothing to apologize for - he didn’t do anything wrong. The individuals who were guilty have all either died or gone to jail. (Many of them committed suicide.)

Those who were suspected of wrongdoing, but couldn’t be found guilty, are suspended from their duties - a great many of these ones also committed suicide.

Justice has prevailed.
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Oh my gosh, don’t make me laugh.
 
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