The Glorious Miracle of Prophet Muhammed: Mi'raj

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Thanks for the reply hasantas.

Why did he come back to earth? Is it explained somewhere?

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If you ask why Jesus did not come back but Muhammed did? I do not know, Allah know the best. Jesus or Muhammed were not ascended by their decision but by order and power of God. So God decided what would happen about them. And God revealed Muhammed some verses in Mi’raj that shows His duty had not finished yet.

Jesus will come back on the world by permission of God. Muhammed was sent back directly and Jesus will be sent back later and Jesus will finish His duty. He will teach the true facts about faith.
 
Is this Miracle like Fatima or Guadalupe? Something that I can validate?
 
Prophet Muhammed was a human so if we just consider Him through His humanity we cannot find importance of what He did as a prophet. He got married, trade etc He just lived like others people. But also He did a perfect work as a prophet. And miracle of Mi’raj prove His high moral personality as a prophet!
I’m afraid that it doesn’t. Looking at Wikipedia’s article (en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isra_and_Mi%27raj&oldid=662563733) I can only see evidence that Muhammed himself said such things have happened. Now the obvious competing hypothesis is that he was lying (there are more, but we can start from this one). That would be perfectly compatible with him not having a “high moral personality as a prophet”, thus this hypothesis has to be disproved before you can prove that he did have it. And yet, I’m afraid that, unless you can offer any other evidence, the only way to disprove hypothesis about lying would be to prove that he was not a liar… And thus we would get circular reasoning - you can only use it to prove that Muhammad had a “high moral personality as a prophet”, if you can establish that same thing otherwise… So, if, as you seem to indicate, this story is the main proof of Muhammad’s “high moral personality” (perhaps it isn’t?), it looks rather unpersuasive…
 
If you ask why Jesus did not come back but Muhammed did? I do not know, Allah know the best. Jesus or Muhammed were not ascended by their decision but by order and power of God. So God decided what would happen about them. And God revealed Muhammed some verses in Mi’raj that shows His duty had not finished yet.

Jesus will come back on the world by permission of God. Muhammed was sent back directly and Jesus will be sent back later and Jesus will finish His duty. He will teach the true facts about faith.
Thanks for the reply hasantas.

That’s not what I asked. It’s not a comparative question.

Quite simply - why did he come back? Where is the ‘why’ found in the religious teaching?

Surely it’s not taught that what happened is for comparison purposes. Just curious about the teaching.

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Jesus will be sent back later and Jesus will finish His duty. He will teach the true facts about faith.
Since you mentioned this, I have another question…

Considering this statement, how can we have confidence in the reality of the subject of this thread, if we are waiting for Jesus to be sent back to teach the true facts of faith?

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But also you accept that Jesus was human % 100 and He ascended with that % 100 human nature?
Yes. Because Jesus was simultaneously 100% God and 100% man. These two facts are inseparable. When Jesus ascended to Heaven, He ascended. Body and soul. Important to note is that He was NOT half God and half man. He was fully God and man.
 
You didn’t answer my question about why he went from Mecca to Jerusalem? What was the purpose of going to Jerusalem?
 
Muhammed was fallible and error of a prophet is called as “Zilla”. But prophet never make mistake or teach wrong in religion. And prophet do not commit sin because God prevent prophet from such thing and protect prophet. The errors of prophet are in worldly issues as it is usual to any body should make.
Prophet Adam make a mistake and did not obey God’s order but He was not a charged and nominated as a prophet yet.
As I wrote before behavior for me is the gold standard and of course great figures in the Bible were very fallible as King David who had to repent for his sins.
Barring that, however, I have lived among Moslems and generally they are the most hospitable, generous, modest, and honest people I have even come across. If the Western world has forgotten what feminine modesty is, Islam can teach it to them. Also family values are very strong. They revere and honor their parents that also in the West has become practically a dinosaur. They are also respectful of the developing human being in the womb. It’s just that politics has become mixed up with religion and this is unfortunate since Moslems that I have known are among the best people ever.
 
I’m afraid that it doesn’t. Looking at Wikipedia’s article (en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isra_and_Mi%27raj&oldid=662563733) I can only see evidence that Muhammed himself said such things have happened. Now the obvious competing hypothesis is that he was lying (there are more, but we can start from this one). That would be perfectly compatible with him not having a “high moral personality as a prophet”, thus this hypothesis has to be disproved before you can prove that he did have it. And yet, I’m afraid that, unless you can offer any other evidence, the only way to disprove hypothesis about lying would be to prove that he was not a liar… And thus we would get circular reasoning - you can only use it to prove that Muhammad had a “high moral personality as a prophet”, if you can establish that same thing otherwise… So, if, as you seem to indicate, this story is the main proof of Muhammad’s “high moral personality” (perhaps it isn’t?), it looks rather unpersuasive…
That is not odd miracle which prove Muhammed. Mhammed splitted the Moon with sign of finger. On several and many occasions the water came out from His fingers. Muhammed provided food and remained food. Muhammed treated many illness and and wounds. Muhammed made many prophesies which all occured rightly later. The trees came near Muhammed with His order. The stones and dead trunk spoke. etc.

Also high personality of Muhammed is a miracle. He never lied. He never commit such any evil behaviour just like adultery, treason etc. He was exactly truthful even His enemies witnessed that. He was absolutely generous even He gave every thing which was wanted from Him.

Muhammed never got afraid of anything. If Muhammed did not know that God would support Him with Gabriel then he would not be so brave because all Pagans intend to harm or kill Him. He was the first in worshipping Allah. If he was not a prophet He would not be so serious in religion. Everybody regard and saw Him as a model in religion. Muhammed made a vicious society as modern people. Muhammed made many good revolutins and reforms through very vicious people. Did hundreds of professors can do that miraculous job in that society? To give up liquors, doctors effort very much with modern facilitations but they do not get conclusion in every case. Muhammed did that without any help!
All those high moral values prove Muhammed, do not?

Qur’an is the greatest miracle of prophet Muhammed. In Qur’an God challenge to bring something similar with Qur’an but nobody could did that for 1400 years yet! Qur’an is miraculous in main seven ways which is long to explain. But the miraculous of Qur’an can be seen with eyes on it’s text. All the words of “Allah” in Qur’an match each other one under the other. Here it is in Turkish but any one can understand with videos:

hayrat.com.tr/icerik/kuran-ikerim/tevafuklu-kuran-i-kerim.aspx

Now if we deny history of Muhammed so we must deny all previous prophets because the knowledges about Muhammed are more accurate, new than others.
 
As I wrote before behavior for me is the gold standard and of course great figures in the Bible were very fallible as King David who had to repent for his sins.
Barring that, however, I have lived among Moslems and generally they are the most hospitable, generous, modest, and honest people I have even come across. If the Western world has forgotten what feminine modesty is, Islam can teach it to them. Also family values are very strong. They revere and honor their parents that also in the West has become practically a dinosaur. They are also respectful of the developing human being in the womb. It’s just that politics has become mixed up with religion and this is unfortunate since Moslems that I have known are among the best people ever.
Well said, I have had many muslim neighbours and friends and i live in a city that has a large number of muslims, of which i have found to be among the nicest people you could meet.
 
That is not odd miracle which prove Muhammed. Mhammed splitted the Moon
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I’m sorry, non-muslims do not believe any of these stories really occurred. There is no proof any of them happened. These are like standing on the street shouting the Bible at passing by non-believers, the source needs to be proven first
 
But also you accept that Jesus was human % 100 and He ascended with that % 100 human nature?
Hasantas ,I can only admire your zeal in your beliefs ,though you must understand that Catholics have a distinct advantage over you when it comes to believing our faith in Christ and I quote

." Anyone can read all the primary historical evidence about the life, character and mission of Jesus by reading the gospels. This can be done in the course of one afternoon. The gospel biographies of Jesus could be called “public truth”, for they are the most widely published and readily available texts in the world today."

“Not so with Muhammad’s life. While millions of Muslims do seek to imitate Muhammad, detailed information
about him is not readily accessible to them. It must ultimately be derived from the Quran, from thousands of hadiths and from biographies, the sira. The full extent of this material is vast and much of it is only available in classical Arabic…” (quoted from the book called **The Third Choice…Islam,Dhimmitude and Freedom by Mark Durie. **So the problem I can see in your trying to convince the readers at Catholic Answers about your assertions about the life of Muhammad relies on complex handed down versions which even Muslims cannot agree on, for example Shi’a,Shi’ite,Sunni branches of Islam .

The Gospels tells us that just before Jesus went back to God His Father in Heaven( after His Resurrection from His death on the Cross for our sins on the third day) on Ascension Thursday ;instructed his apostles with this message “go out to all the world and teach The Gospel, he who believes and is baptized will be saved; he who does not believe will be condemned.”

Christ’s role as God made flesh(true God and true man—Divine person–human nature) was as a Prophet, Priest and King. This was all foretold in The Old Testament History of Salvation through the selection of The Jewish race as Gods’ Chosen people, whom God revealed himself through the Prophets.

You have I believe your work cut out to give good reliable evidence to prove your tenants of belief in your assertions. But that does not mean that I do not respect your point of view and your convictions in following Islam.
 
That is not odd miracle which prove Muhammed. Mhammed splitted the Moon with sign of finger. On several and many occasions the water came out from His fingers. Muhammed provided food and remained food. Muhammed treated many illness and and wounds. Muhammed made many prophesies which all occured rightly later. The trees came near Muhammed with His order. The stones and dead trunk spoke. etc.

Also high personality of Muhammed is a miracle. He never lied. He never commit such any evil behaviour just like adultery, treason etc. He was exactly truthful even His enemies witnessed that. He was absolutely generous even He gave every thing which was wanted from Him.

Muhammed never got afraid of anything. If Muhammed did not know that God would support Him with Gabriel then he would not be so brave because all Pagans intend to harm or kill Him. He was the first in worshipping Allah. If he was not a prophet He would not be so serious in religion. Everybody regard and saw Him as a model in religion. Muhammed made a vicious society as modern people. Muhammed made many good revolutins and reforms through very vicious people. Did hundreds of professors can do that miraculous job in that society? To give up liquors, doctors effort very much with modern facilitations but they do not get conclusion in every case. Muhammed did that without any help!
All those high moral values prove Muhammed, do not?

Qur’an is the greatest miracle of prophet Muhammed. In Qur’an God challenge to bring something similar with Qur’an but nobody could did that for 1400 years yet! Qur’an is miraculous in main seven ways which is long to explain. But the miraculous of Qur’an can be seen with eyes on it’s text. All the words of “Allah” in Qur’an match each other one under the other. Here it is in Turkish but any one can understand with videos:

hayrat.com.tr/icerik/kuran-ikerim/tevafuklu-kuran-i-kerim.aspx
So, why did you offer that specific claim of a miracle, if you think you have evidence that is much better?
Now if we deny history of Muhammed so we must deny all previous prophets because the knowledges about Muhammed are more accurate, new than others.
Um, I’m afraid that the same reasoning would work even better for “prophet” Joseph Smith… Yet you are not a Mormon, thus I hope you’ll agree that, at least, it is a bit more complicated than that…

For example, in case of miracles of Jesus we have witnesses and in some cases their witness has been confirmed by martyrdom. And in the case you have offered for this thread you have no witnesses at all. There is nothing inconsistent in accepting miracles of Jesus while rejecting claims about miracles of Muhammad.
 
Well said, I have had many muslim neighbours and friends and i live in a city that has a large number of muslims, of which i have found to be among the nicest people you could meet.
I too have Muslim friends, but that does not mean I agree with their religious beliefs and I am convinced that Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life.

The other side of the coin.

"Dhimmitude and religious persecution"

“The human rights situation of Christians in many Muslim countries has been getting steadily worse ever the past half-century. This deterioration has been directly linked to the world-wide Islamic revival and reinstatement of Sharia law. Most Muslim nations have taken steps, however small, towards re-implementing **Sharia **,and wherever this happens discrimination against non-Muslims increases. As Muslim women from Jakarta to Cape Town have been putting on the veils also Christians and other non-Muslims have been feeling the brunt of worsening human rights condition.”

“Christians have been killed, subjected to forced conversions,enslavement,their churches destroyed, their property looted, the women raped and their fundamental human rights such as freedom of speech denied. In region after region the worldwide Sharia revival has been bad news for Christians. Battles are being fought over the return of dhimmitude.The Christians of Sudan have fought for more than 20years at the cost of two million lives, because they refused to be made into dhimmis through the imposition of Sharia law by the north.” end of quote from the book The Third Choice. Islam,Dhimmitude and Freedom.by Mark Durie.

“Dhimma—covenant or pact of surrender, by which a conquered non-Muslim community have agreed to live under Islamic rule, and by virtue of which this community is protected from** jihad.**”
"Dhimmi—a non-Muslim living under Islamic rule, who is considered to be subject to the condition of a dhimma pact.
 
Last night Muslims attained the anniversary of one of the greatest miracle of Muhammed, Mi’raj. Mi’raj mean ascension. That miracle consist of two stages. The first part is Isra(Night Journey) and the second part is Mi’raj(ascension). In Isra Muhammed was taken from Mecca to Jerusalem. And in Mi’raj Muhammed was ascended to Heavens. Through that ascension Muhammed saw Paradise, Hell and further and beyond of these Kursiyy, Arsh-ı A’zam(The Highest Throne) and Sidrat-ul Muntaha(The last point of entity). Muhammed turn back through same way. All those cases happened in a short time of night. Here one of website about that miracle:

questionsonislam.com/…/miracle-isra-nig…

The Miracle of Mi’raj prove importance of prophet Muhammed because non of previous prophet were recipient of such thing. Jesus were ascended but Jesus did not go beyond of Heavens.
I know you’ve been bombarded with questions, but what confuses me about this is why you consider it a miracle.

I’ve heard lots of stories of people having such visions, and I don’t consider those miracles, nor do I consider such visions as proof of anything. Jesus’s ascension into Heaven is different, since we know he actually physically went there: the disciples witnessed him ascend, and then he was actually gone. But I still don’t know that I would consider Jesus’s ascension into Heaven to be a miracle, nor that I would consider it to be proof of anything by itself. I certainly wouldn’t expect a non-believer to take the story as proof of anything.
 
I too have Muslim friends, but that does not mean I agree with their religious beliefs and I am convinced that Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life.
Thanks for the reply, I never said or implied that I agree with their religious beliefs, I was born and brought up in a staunch catholic family in Ireland and also believe in Christ, and also i am well aware of “Dhimmitude and religious persecution”. What Im saying is a majority of muslims i know here in England, don’t agree with sharia, and are peaceful and law-abiding.
 
I know you’ve been bombarded with questions, but what confuses me about this is why you consider it a miracle.

I’ve heard lots of stories of people having such visions, and I don’t consider those miracles, nor do I consider such visions as proof of anything. Jesus’s ascension into Heaven is different, since we know he actually physically went there: the disciples witnessed him ascend, and then he was actually gone. But I still don’t know that I would consider Jesus’s ascension into Heaven to be a miracle, nor that I would consider it to be proof of anything by itself. I certainly wouldn’t expect a non-believer to take the story as proof of anything.
Miracle of Mi’raj is not for unbelievers but it is rather for believers. Unbelievers do not believe in God and Heavens so it is not use to tell them about Mi’raj.

Ascension into Heavens is a miracle because that case cannot be defined with physical laws so it is called “miracle”.

And ascension of prophet Muhammed is more different from ascension of Jesus. Jesus was ascended into Heavens but prophet Muhammed was ascended beyond that. And that ascension is not just a vision but it is a journey with body.

Miracles are evidences of prophet to prove their prophethood. Why people did believe in Jesus? Because they witnessed many miracles from Jesus.

And there are million of Avliya(saints in Islam) who had such visions. Many Avliyas saw Heavens through moral discovery which you called “vision”. But the case of Mi’raj is very different. Everybody is free to believe or not. But there are thousands evidences and witnesses of miracles of prophet Muhammed. It is very comic to say that: The sources of Christians which happened about 500 years before Islam is reliable but Islamic knowledges are not! Do not convince yourselves.
 
hasantas;12978336:
That is not odd miracle which prove Muhammed. Mhammed splitted the Moon
/QUOTE]

I’m sorry, non-muslims do not believe any of these stories really occurred. There is no proof any of them happened. These are like standing on the street shouting the Bible at passing by non-believers, the source needs to be proven first
Why are you so nervous about Islam? If you believe in Islam so do yuo have to reject God?

Miracles could be evidences for who witness them. But also miracles make faith of believers more stronger. For unbelievers is more use to start with evidences which prove existence of God. Non-Catholic religion forum is not for that but for religious issues.

Muslims respect Christians in any way but Christians never do. So who have more tolerance and love? If Christians are believers then they should respect prophet Muhammed as Muslims respect all prophets.
 
So do we get the English word mirage from mi’raj?

You still don"t answer my question about Jerusalem? Is it in the Quran he went from Mecca to Jerusalem? He ascended to the Heavens from Jerusalem? I am confused.
 
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