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bella5110
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Including yourself…
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Angelos
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Thanks for this wonderful piece of information, but it fails to answer my questions. Those heretics were unlike Mohammed in more ways than they were like him.
You also note that this is not the Christian view about the emerging time of the New testament. This is what your Muslim brothers claim so as to refute the authenticity and reliability of the Christian scripture.
Besides, the final sentence of your post is contradictory: if there was no New Testament until the late fourth century (Nicean Council you mean? 
), how did those heretics call their writings Gospels? How do you know that they were forged if there was no genuine Gospel at that time?Peace to you & salaam (in case you are a Muslim)
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pumpqeen
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Kellie, then we have to decide who supersedes who. Who started who? Did Christ start the church or was it the other way around?
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pumpqeen
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Vern Humphrey, you’re right, pigs are always make pig breakfasts. So, which breakfast do you prefer? A human breakfast or a pig breakfast. Everyone’s making breakfast here, but if you can’t decide which is edible, you’ll end up with a bad stomach.
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RomanCrusader
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As I said before, the crusaders had the right idea about Islam. Our heroic crusader warriors should have sacked Mecca and Medina and destroyed the Moslem cult before it could spread.
The polygamous, murderous tribe of the pedophile Mohammed waged a Jihad against our brave European ancestors. The noble crusader warriors did their best to slay the dragon known as Islam, but the dragon was just too evil to be defeated. The dragon waged its demonic Jihad against the Chosen people (Catholics) and killed many.
The dragon of Islam still wages that same Jihad against the civilizedf world today. Our heroic crusader ancestors stood up against Islam, now it is our time!
The polygamous, murderous tribe of the pedophile Mohammed waged a Jihad against our brave European ancestors. The noble crusader warriors did their best to slay the dragon known as Islam, but the dragon was just too evil to be defeated. The dragon waged its demonic Jihad against the Chosen people (Catholics) and killed many.
The dragon of Islam still wages that same Jihad against the civilizedf world today. Our heroic crusader ancestors stood up against Islam, now it is our time!
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pumpqeen
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Well, don’t think of a WAR cos even Genghis Khan did not manage to totally wipe out the muslims cos the muslims surrendered at the point of total annihilation. Muslims revert to passiveness once they are conquered awaiting the next chance of a revival in their numbers.
The way to fight an evil religion is to expose its shames and lies. There’s no need to fight physically now. Just spread the truth, prevent its claws from limiting the religious freedom of thinking individuals by rejecting the syariah. Then teach secular history and spiritual truths. Use the Media.
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Loginus
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Im surprised you or pumpqueen have the gull to call yourselves christians. Honestly, how someone can twist and pervet the msg of jesus to such an extent is beyond me. I guess its ok in the long run though. Im fairly certain ppl like you are cowards who would get others to fight for your little holy war than ever take up the sword yourself.
Actually…your no better than a jihadist leader. Preaching and condeming but to much of a coward to do anything yourself.
Good day
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RomanCrusader
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The best way to fight Islam is with prayer and education.
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pumpqeen
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Loginus, you are CERTAIN about alot of things, but I’ve yet to see anything tangible from you.
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Loginus
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Ive written plenty on the subject. The fact that you or other like you choose to ignore it to further your devil worshipping is beyond my control
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inJESUS
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yes i do agree that we can’t impose our interpretation but we do not need Muslims’ interpretations to passages like :
"They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. Say: Who then can do aught against Allah, if He had willed to destroy the Messiah son of Mary, and his mother and everyone on earth?
"And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!"
Muhammad got it wrong because we say Jesus is God and not God is Jesus but nevertheless the idea is clear.
Angelos quoted the Bible that says anyone that gives a different gospel let him be anathema.
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vern_humphrey
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That I am a Catholic, and that I try, however imperfectly, to obey the Church’s command that I respect our fellow monotheists?You know what your problem is…?
Now I am well aware that those who hate are infuriated by others who will not hate – but there’s nothing I can do about that.
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Jaypeeto3
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As a Catholic, I would have to say that Muhammad was a false prophet. He may have indeed received supernatural visions and revelations, but they were not from God or the Angel Gabriel. I have to hold this position because the Koran contradicts scriptural teachings and blasphemes the Trinity doctrine.
The God that Muslims seek to worship, however, is the God of Abraham, so to that extent Muslims worship the True God, but not in the fullness of accurate knowledge.
Jaypeeto3 (aka Jaypeeto4)
The God that Muslims seek to worship, however, is the God of Abraham, so to that extent Muslims worship the True God, but not in the fullness of accurate knowledge.
Jaypeeto3 (aka Jaypeeto4)
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Genesis315
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Do Muslims worship the same God (albeit with a gravely erroneous understanding of Him)? We know what the latest Ecumenical Council and recent popes have said, but what about some popes, saints, and theologians of the past?
St. Paul says to pagans who worship one God: For passing by, and seeing your idols, I found an altar also, on which was written: To the unknown God. What therefore you worship, without knowing it, that I preach to you
Pope St. Gregory VII (11th century) to a Muslim prince: ‘Almighty God, who wishes that all should be saved and none lost, approves nothing in so much as that after loving Him one should love his fellow man, and that one should not do to others, what one does not want done to oneself. You and we owe this charity to ourselves especially because we believe in and confess one God, admittedly, in a different way, and daily praise and venerate him, the creator of the world and ruler of this world.’
Catechism of Pope St. Pius X : 12 Q. Who are infidels?
A. Infidels are those who have not been baptised and do not believe in Jesus Christ, because they either believe in and worship false gods as idolaters do, or though admitting one true God, they do not believe in the Messiah, neither as already come in the Person of Jesus Christ, nor as to come; for instance, Mohammedans and the like.
Catholic Encyclopedia: As in ecclesiastical language those who by baptism have received faith in Jesus Christ and have pledged Him their fidelity and called the faithful, so the name infidel is given to those who have not been baptized. The term applies not only to all who are ignorant of the true God, such as pagans of various kinds, but also to those who adore Him but do not recognize Jesus Christ, as Jews and Mohammedans.
Also see this chapter on Islam in Hillair Belloc’s "Great Heresies."
ewtn.com/library/HOMELIBR/HERESY4.TXT
St. Paul says to pagans who worship one God: For passing by, and seeing your idols, I found an altar also, on which was written: To the unknown God. What therefore you worship, without knowing it, that I preach to you
Pope St. Gregory VII (11th century) to a Muslim prince: ‘Almighty God, who wishes that all should be saved and none lost, approves nothing in so much as that after loving Him one should love his fellow man, and that one should not do to others, what one does not want done to oneself. You and we owe this charity to ourselves especially because we believe in and confess one God, admittedly, in a different way, and daily praise and venerate him, the creator of the world and ruler of this world.’
Catechism of Pope St. Pius X : 12 Q. Who are infidels?
A. Infidels are those who have not been baptised and do not believe in Jesus Christ, because they either believe in and worship false gods as idolaters do, or though admitting one true God, they do not believe in the Messiah, neither as already come in the Person of Jesus Christ, nor as to come; for instance, Mohammedans and the like.
Catholic Encyclopedia: As in ecclesiastical language those who by baptism have received faith in Jesus Christ and have pledged Him their fidelity and called the faithful, so the name infidel is given to those who have not been baptized. The term applies not only to all who are ignorant of the true God, such as pagans of various kinds, but also to those who adore Him but do not recognize Jesus Christ, as Jews and Mohammedans.
Also see this chapter on Islam in Hillair Belloc’s "Great Heresies."
ewtn.com/library/HOMELIBR/HERESY4.TXT
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Valke2
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I was only making a joke (based on your prior post about how we are always able to find fault in others).
I hope you didn’t take anything I posted as a criticism of your posts. I actually liked what you had to say.
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Image_of_God
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All of us should repent of insulting our very own God. Muslims do worship the same God. But the way they think God reacts to humanity is different. Thus, we must repent!
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Image_of_God
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Look at Genesis’ list. Look! Look at how it is all saintly people who admit the truth, that Muslims do worship the same God.
We need to repent! Let us stop hardening our hearts. We need to repent of our blasphemy against the Muslim God which is the same, one and only God that we worship!
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exoflare
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vern humphrey,
I’m still waiting. If my interpretation of Islam isn’t good enough, then whose should we listen to?
I’m still waiting. If my interpretation of Islam isn’t good enough, then whose should we listen to?
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JohnWilliams
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If Muslims worship the same God that Christians do then He is schitzophrenic. To suggest that they worship the same God is blasphemy. Muslims murder hundreds of Christians around the world today - every day. My God is the God of love.
“The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the Son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. God’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!” Surah 9.30
Founding verses on the Dome of the Rock - the abomination of desolation:
“O you People of the Book, overstep not bounds in your religion, and of God speak only the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary,** is only an apostle** of God, and his Word which he conveyed unto Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from him. Believe therefore in God and his apostles, and say not Three. It will be better for you. God is only one God. Far be it from his glory that he should have a son.”
The Muslims blaspheme His name - Yahweh - by calling him Al_ah. From the verses above you can see that their god is EXACTLY AND SPECIFICALLY ANTICHRIST.
1.3 billion Muslims each and every one is AN ANTICHRIST. If not they are an infidel.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=118140
Al_ah may be your God. It is certainly not mine.
Islam is little doubt the lion-bear-leopard beast of Revelation 13. Satan gives this beast his power seat and authority:
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Meet the beast:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=119004
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tequilamac
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It is blasphemy to suggest that in reality there is more than one God. Christians, catholic and non catholic, profess that there is only one God. To be carrying on constantly that Muslims are worshipping a different God is neither Christian, nor Catholic nor Muslim. Even the pagans do as much as claim there is more than one. So…if you are claiming the Muslims have a different God than yours, well, that is not Christian, Catholic, Islamic, but paganistic.
The existence of one God is not determined by our own definition. He exists no matter who you think he is. You say He is a different God than Allah. In that case your God is less than perfect, as He is not the one and only. He is a multi. And most certainly would not be the God of love.
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