The Good Cardinal Ranjith!

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Pardon my ignorance, but in what way is it huge? Is he the only conservative Cardinal? Is he particularly influential?
He could be the next pope. šŸ™‚ But let’s pray God grants H.H.BXVI many more years :gopray2:

It’s just so sweeping and positive. Most of all, it virtually eliminates liturgical abuse. And every Mass in Sri Lanka will be the same. And hopefully, faith will be built/strengthened in the Real Presence.
 
Someone should probably inform Pope Benedict that he is not supposed to be facing the faithful during the consecration since it is so obviously destroying belief in the real presence. Oh, and someone should have informed Blessed John Paul II also.

Having got that bit of sarcasm out, some of the things that Cardinal Ranjith is trying to do are very good in my view. As for the rest, I would prefer he left them alone. Quite honestly, I blame poor catechesis and general trends towards secularism and relativism in society for doubt regarding the real presence far more than I blame communion in the hand or which direction the priest faces during mass. Not that I have a problem with communion on the tongue, I just don’t see it as the root of all evil that others seem to here on CAF.

Having said that, it is only my opinion on the matter.
 
Someone should probably inform Pope Benedict that he is not supposed to be facing the faithful during the consecration since it is so obviously destroying belief in the real presence. Oh, and someone should have informed Blessed John Paul II also.

Having got that bit of sarcasm out, some of the things that Cardinal Ranjith is trying to do are very good in my view. As for the rest, I would prefer he left them alone. Quite honestly, I blame poor catechesis and general trends towards secularism and relativism in society for doubt regarding the real presence far more than I blame communion in the hand or which direction the priest faces during mass. Not that I have a problem with communion on the tongue, I just don’t see it as the root of all evil that others seem to here on CAF.

Having said that, it is only my opinion on the matter.
I agree with your points. Putting up a railing isn’t a substitute for catechesis, and what may be a possible solution in Sri Lanka isn’t necessarily good for the universal church. Strange that some can disagree with certain disciplines of the Church (say, clerical celibacy) and be regarded as a near-heretic. The Cardinal obviously disagrees with certain other disciplines of the Church (Communion in the hand for example, or Mass ad populum) and is regarded as some kind of hero.
 
I agree with your points. Putting up a railing isn’t a substitute for catechesis, and what may be a possible solution in Sri Lanka isn’t necessarily good for the universal church. Strange that some can disagree with certain disciplines of the Church (say, clerical celibacy) and be regarded as a near-heretic. The Cardinal obviously disagrees with certain other disciplines of the Church (Communion in the hand for example, or Mass ad populum) and is regarded as some kind of hero.
Those last two practices you mentioned are not really disciplines of the Church. They are something the local bishops sought to implement in their countries for whatever reasons. In fact, communion in the hand is forbidden by the Church except in those countries where 2/3 of the bishops ask for it, along with other conditions. It can be easily eradicated without any action by the Vatican. I don’t see anything unorthodox in the actions and statements by the Cardinal.
 
Someone should probably inform Pope Benedict that he is not supposed to be facing the faithful during the consecration since it is so obviously destroying belief in the real presence. Oh, and someone should have informed Blessed John Paul II also.

Having got that bit of sarcasm out, some of the things that Cardinal Ranjith is trying to do are very good in my view. As for the rest, I would prefer he left them alone. Quite honestly, I blame poor catechesis and general trends towards secularism and relativism in society for doubt regarding the real presence far more than I blame communion in the hand or which direction the priest faces during mass. Not that I have a problem with communion on the tongue, I just don’t see it as the root of all evil that others seem to here on CAF.

Having said that, it is only my opinion on the matter.
I agree with you. Do we really have to return everything to 1962 just to prove this point? That all the TLM, COTT and altar rails in the world will not change the view of most as this is a product of Protestantization and Secularization? I also agree what the good Cardinal is doing is great but its not addressing many of the problems our faith is facing today.
 
Someone should probably inform Pope Benedict that he is not supposed to be facing the faithful during the consecration since it is so obviously destroying belief in the real presence. Oh, and someone should have informed Blessed John Paul II also.

Having got that bit of sarcasm out, some of the things that Cardinal Ranjith is trying to do are very good in my view. As for the rest, I would prefer he left them alone. Quite honestly, I blame poor catechesis and general trends towards secularism and relativism in society for doubt regarding the real presence far more than I blame communion in the hand or which direction the priest faces during mass. Not that I have a problem with communion on the tongue, I just don’t see it as the root of all evil that others seem to here on CAF.

Having said that, it is only my opinion on the matter.
IMHO, receiving on the tongue is catechetical within itself. Certainly one would have to give pause or question why it is necessary that one receive (what they may mistakenly perceive) as a symbolic piece of bread kneeling, on the tongue.
 
IMHO, receiving on the tongue is catechetical within itself. Certainly one would have to give pause or question why it is necessary that one receive what they may mistakenly perceive as a symbolic piece of bread kneeling, on the tongue.
I think this is a good point. The larger question is whether certain liturgical postures, actions, etc. convey the truths of our Faith better than others. I’d be surprised if Mattapoisett64 or ConstantineTG would really disagree with that, but obviously can’t speak for them. So in addition to better catechesis by word, why not also rejoice in better catechesis in liturgical action?
 
I also agree what the good Cardinal is doing is great but its not addressing many of the problems our faith is facing today.
Give him time. He’s been Cardinal for only about six months now. šŸ™‚
 
Pardon my ignorance, but in what way is it huge? Is he the only conservative Cardinal? Is he particularly influential?
You’re not ignorant TrueLight your inquisitive.šŸ‘ What this Cardinal is doing is very important because the rubrics in the Mass are supposed to reflect the reality of what’s taking place. They should be so profound that an outsider could walk into a Catholic Church, see Mass, and walk out knowing that Catholics believe something truly sacred and important has happened. This usually sparks the person’s intellect to find out why the Catholics have such reverence during their Mass and that interest usually leads to conversion.

Secondly the rubrics must be profound and non-protestant because what is happening in a Catholic Mass is not happening in the Protestant Churches. If Catholics introduce protestant services in our Mass then we mislead the people by making them think that all worship is the same and that it doesn’t matter how we worship God and that leads to people thinking that Church is not important. No we Catholics cannot do this especially since Christ is truly present within the Eucharist!

Lastly it’s important for Catholics because we should honor God in the way He wants to be honored and not in the way we want to honor Him. God being a personal God, likes a specific form of worship (Leviticus anyone) and the Liturgy should reflect this. I can only pray that the good Cardinal can help destroy this huge lie that silence does not equal participation. Last time I checked mass was offered for reparation, supplication, thanksgiving, and ADORATION (which means silence, reverence, recollection). I don’t know about anyone else but I have never been to a noisy adoration chapel. I have alson never come out of a adoration chapel feeling like I havent participated in something truly amazing.

God does not like to shout and He does not compete with the rest of the distractions of this world. No God likes to whisper and this is why we need to practice Holy Silence especially during Mass.
 
I agree with your points. Putting up a railing isn’t a substitute for catechesis, and what may be a possible solution in Sri Lanka isn’t necessarily good for the universal church. Strange that some can disagree with certain disciplines of the Church (say, clerical celibacy) and be regarded as a near-heretic. The Cardinal obviously disagrees with certain other disciplines of the Church (Communion in the hand for example, or Mass ad populum) and is regarded as some kind of hero.
CITH is granted under indult. COTT is the norm. As PV pointed out, CITH is not a discipline.

Shouldn’t one know what he’s talking about before he sets himself up to judge a Cardinal ? šŸ˜‰
 
CITH is granted under indult. COTT is the norm. As PV pointed out, CITH is not a discipline.

Shouldn’t one know what he’s talking about before he sets himself up to judge a Cardinal ? šŸ˜‰
In the USA, my understanding is that CITH is the norm per the USCCB.
 
I agree with you. Do we really have to return everything to 1962 just to prove this point? That all the TLM, COTT and altar rails in the world will not change the view of most as this is a product of Protestantization and Secularization? I also agree what the good Cardinal is doing is great but its not addressing many of the problems our faith is facing today.
It’s addressing perhaps the most important problem.- Liturgical abuse. He has virtually eliminated it in Sri lanka.

As far as not addressing all the problems of the Church, he hasn’t been asked to. But if the pope gave him the nod, considering how he has handled liturgical matters, I’d say Cardinal Ranjith would do a fine house cleaning.

Some speak, some act.
 
You stated ā€œChurchā€, not the US bishops in the post I quoted. Just trying to keep the facts straight.
No worries. I actually prefer COTT myself but have no problem with those who prefer CITH. Having no altar rails, etc. has not influenced my belief in the real presence one iota. I truly believe this is far more of an issue of catechesis and general secularism than it is one of altar rails, COTT, etc.
 
No worries. I actually prefer COTT myself but have no problem with those who prefer CITH. Having no altar rails, etc. has not influenced my belief in the real presence one iota. I truly believe this is far more of an issue of catechesis and general secularism than it is one of altar rails, COTT, etc.
I hear you. But can’t this be both/and rather than an either/or? Words teach, perhaps more directly. But actions teach too. I think your own attitude represents a very typical trend, namely, that the more one understands about the Real Presence of our Lord in the Eucharist, the less one wishes to receive Him in the hand. Not a universal view, by any means, but very common and something that is evident in the great sweep of Church history as well. After all, it wasn’t groups like Catholics United for the Faith that were agitating for CITH. It was groups like Call to Action. Cardinal Ranjith knows this, as does Benedict XVI.
 
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