The Gospel of Joel Osteen

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Barbkw said:
Joel Osteen was on the front page of our local newspaper at Easter :eek:

Pablum for adult Christians.

Here’s what Hank Hanegraff - The Bible Answer Man - (radio pope for protestant denominations) says about Joel Osteen:

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In world where Protestant Ministers/Speakers continue to disappoint me, Hank’s the exception, listen to him quite a bit and although I don’t agree with everything he says he’s a different league than most of this peers. Yes Osteen may be a nice guy but his message is why take the Bus when you can drive a Benz,your a Christian, your entitled. Sorry not for me.
 
coco2 said:
I’m getting concerned at the number of Catholics that I know who are regularly watching and spreading the message of Joel Osteen. Even the principal of our Catholic school was telling the teachers about how much she likes him and believes him. She has taped one of his sermons and is going to show us. It has something to do with suffering. She said and I quote " Who says we are supposed to suffer in life?" I wanted to scream out…"Jesus, the apostles, and every saint who has lived on this earth, that is who!!!

This is beginning to scare me and I think that priests FROM THE PULPIT need to refute this stuff. More and more Catholics are listening and weaving it into their faith.

Am I being too critical of this?

Perhaps this needs to be in a different thread, but I couldn’t figure out which one to put it in.
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Nope! I agree 100%! As for your principal? She needs to hit the Scriptures and the teachings of the RCC and less of happy face. He preaches a “prosperity” gospel and “no suffering” gospel ALL contrary to scripture. Joel Olsteen is nothing but a motivational speaker (Tony Robbins) with a twist of religion.
 
JillianRose said:
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I would first watch the message because I would like to see what he is saying. He might be talking about God wanting us to live a happy life. I would not get to upset about it since it seems he preaches (yes I watch him too sometimes) surface Christianity. You know the basics to draw people in. I do not think it gets too deep in the meat a potatoes of theology of that particular denomination. I would repost this question in the Traditional Catholics forum. I have studied protestantism extensively. I know for a fact that they would never be putting anything Catholic in their schools. Remember, its our Traditions that set us apart. Chill out. If the tape is interpreting the Gospel passage the way it was suppose too it will be fine. I feel that so many times Both sides worry about semantics that we forget to do what is right - SPREAD THE WORD. Remember if you do this for a angry heart it will back fire. Pray about it and come at it like a child. Ask questions and most of all talk to your priest. Love for Jesus in all trinitarian faiths is what will ALWAYS bind us.
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It is not a matter of SPREADING THE WORD. It is a matter of WHAT is being SPREAD.
 
Nicea325 said:
He preaches a “prosperity” gospel and “no suffering” gospel ALL contrary to scripture.
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I like to quote (paraphrase) Fr Corapi who says: if you ever hear a preacher preach about an Easter Sunday without a Good Friday, run away as fast as you can!

IOW, if you want to have the Resurrection, you need to follow Him to the Cross.
 
PRmerger said:
I like to quote (paraphrase) Fr Corapi who says: if you ever hear a preacher preach about an Easter Sunday without a Good Friday, run away as fast as you can!

IOW, if you want to have the Resurrection, you need to follow Him to the Cross.
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Very true!
 
Anybody out there recall the era of “I’m OK- You’re OK?” Or Dr Wayne Dyer? The hype of Dream it and Be it, you deserve this and that? Osteen is just like that to me. He skirts around the Word, even holds up the Bible, but doesn’t really even have so much of a Christian message. It’s more pop-psychology to me. And yes, he has a really toothy grin and squinty eyes and his facial expression really never changes. He is appealing to the newly rich and slightly bent toward Christianity or some new age something closer to the golden rule on a superficial level. I had a friend at work who used to eamil me the “thought of the day” that she received from clicking on his website. It seemed like something a twelve year old would enjoy.🤷
 
prmerger said:
i like to quote (paraphrase) fr corapi who says: If you ever hear a preacher preach about an easter sunday without a good friday, run away as fast as you can!

Iow, if you want to have the resurrection, you need to follow him to the cross.
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love it!!
 
I think that Osteen might be a con-man and/or he’s in it just for the money-even though I think he really believs what he is preaching/teaching.

And I’m only 33, but I think a lot of people my age don’t like Osteen hardly at all!!!

I used to like and listen to him but not any more. That’s why I finally came back home to the Catholic church!!! I was going to a mega-church for a while and I just didn’t like it in the long run…
 
Personanongrata said:
Is envy a sin?
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I’ll just leave this here.
CCC 2536 The tenth commandment forbids greed and the desire to amass earthly goods without limit. It forbids avarice arising from a passion for riches and their attendant power. It also forbids the desire to commit injustice by harming our neighbor in his temporal goods:
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When the Law says, “You shall not covet,” these words mean that we should banish our desires for whatever does not belong to us. Our thirst for another’s goods is immense, infinite, never quenched. Thus it is written: “He who loves money never has money enough.”
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coco2 said:
I’m getting concerned at the number of Catholics that I know who are regularly watching and spreading the message of Joel Osteen. Even the principal of our Catholic school was telling the teachers about how much she likes him and believes him. She has taped one of his sermons and is going to show us. It has something to do with suffering. She said and I quote " Who says we are supposed to suffer in life?" I wanted to scream out…"Jesus, the apostles, and every saint who has lived on this earth, that is who!!!

This is beginning to scare me and I think that priests FROM THE PULPIT need to refute this stuff. More and more Catholics are listening and weaving it into their faith.

Am I being too critical of this?
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No you are not being too critical. Orthodoxy in theology is important. This just underscores the need for good Catechism training.
 
I did watch Osteen once and it was hard to separate his message from what is preached in a lot of “churches”. It’s life improvement stuff, ‘spend time with your son’, be conscientious and so on…-very disturbing that it was hard to separate though. Osteen’s not the only one preaching this stuff.
 
The people that listen to and read books by Joel Osteen and Rick Warren don’t want to hear that they are sinners and don’t want to hear what Christ did for use on the cross. They want to rush right pass all this and go to the theology of glory rather to the theology of the cross.
 
I’ve alway considered Joel Osteen to be a motivational speaker. It bothers me that you don’t hear anything about salvation until the last few seconds of his telecast.
 
I think some people judge Joel Osteen too harshly, or else not harshly enough. Let me explain…

He’s not a bad, heretical or apostate preacher of the Gospel. Rather he isn’t a preacher of the Gospel at all. What he is is an excellent motivational speaker who occasionally uses Scripture and Christian buzz words. His message is usually terrific advice that will help those who heed it; but it’s drawn from Norman Vincent Peale, Dale Carnegie, Napoleon Hill, et al, not from anything Christian.

If you listen to Osteen as a self-help guru, he’s very good. If you listen to him as a preacher, he’s just short of completely useless… but a preacher isn’t really what he’s trying to be.
 
coco2 said:
I’m getting concerned at the number of Catholics that I know who are regularly watching and spreading the message of Joel Osteen. Even the principal of our Catholic school was telling the teachers about how much she likes him and believes him. She has taped one of his sermons and is going to show us. It has something to do with suffering. She said and I quote " Who says we are supposed to suffer in life?" I wanted to scream out…"Jesus, the apostles, and every saint who has lived on this earth, that is who!!!

This is beginning to scare me and I think that priests FROM THE PULPIT need to refute this stuff. More and more Catholics are listening and weaving it into their faith.

Am I being too critical of this?

Perhaps this needs to be in a different thread, but I couldn’t figure out which one to put it in.
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👍

You ask if you are being too critical.

Probably.

But, being alert to, and critical of, messages from the pulpit, Catholic or otherwise, is wise.

As Christians, we must be proactively vigilant about our understanding of the Gospel, and identify factors detracting from it, whether the detractions are words, actions, or persons.

Judging the depth of an appropriate reaction, however, is more complicated.

I think your criticism of the Joel Olsteen messages, and Catholic reception of them, is leaning toward being heavy handed; but, your concerns are certainly not without weight.

🙂
 
Izdaari said:
I think some people judge Joel Osteen too harshly, or else not harshly enough. Let me explain…

He’s not a bad, heretical or apostate preacher of the Gospel. Rather he isn’t a preacher of the Gospel at all. What he is is an excellent motivational speaker who occasionally uses Scripture and Christian buzz words. His message is usually terrific advice that will help those who heed it; but it’s drawn from Norman Vincent Peale, Dale Carnegie, Napoleon Hill, et al, not from anything Christian.

If you listen to Osteen as a self-help guru, he’s very good. If you listen to him as a preacher, he’s just short of completely useless… but a preacher isn’t really what he’s trying to be.
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If you say that he is not trying to be a preacher, then why doesn’t he say right up front that he isn’t a preacher and his congregation isn’t church but a glorified self-help group. He is leading people straight to Hell because nowhere does he say he and they are sinners in need of repentance and point to Christ on the cross. He is all theology of glory.
 
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