The Gospel.

[damooster]

During Mass, when the Father is about to read the Gospel, I know that you make a cross over your forehead, lips, and heart, and say “Glory to you Lord.”

My friend and I were arguing over a technicality and was hoping someone could settle the argument (I’ll withhold my position so there is no threat of bias):

Do you say “Glory to you Lord” before, during, or after making the signs of the three crosses?

Thanks.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

During Mass, when the Father is about to read the Gospel, I know that you make a cross over your forehead, lips, and heart, and say “Glory to you Lord.”

My friend and I were arguing over a technicality and was hoping someone could settle the argument (I’ll withhold my position so there is no threat of bias):

Do you say “Glory to you Lord” before, during, or after making the signs of the three crosses?

Thanks.

You don’t say “Glory, to you Lord” you say, Lord be in my mind, on my lips and in my heart"

 

[nicolep]

During Mass, when the Father is about to read the Gospel, I know that you make a cross over your forehead, lips, and heart, and say “Glory to you Lord.”

My friend and I were arguing over a technicality and was hoping someone could settle the argument (I’ll withhold my position so there is no threat of bias):

Do you say “Glory to you Lord” before, during, or after making the signs of the three crosses?

Thanks.

According to the GIRM -

1. At the ambo, the priest opens the book and, with hands joined, says, Dominus vobiscum (The Lord be with you), and the people respond, Et cum spiritu tuo (And also with you). ***Then he says, Lectio sancti Evangelii (A reading from the holy gospel), making the sign of the cross with his thumb on the book and on his forehead, mouth, and breast, which everyone else does as well. The people say the acclamation Gloria tibi, Domine (Glory to you, Lord). ***The priest incenses the book, if incense is used (cf. below, nos. 276-277). Then he proclaims the Gospel and at the end says the acclamation Verbum Domini (The gospel of the Lord), to which all respond, Laus tibi, Christe (Praise to you, Lord Jesus Christ). The priest kisses the book, saying quietly, Per evangelica dicta (May the words of the gospel).

(Emphasis mine)

It appears to me that it is done after though it doesn’t explicitly say.

 

[nicolep]

You don’t say “Glory, to you Lord” you say, Lord be in my mind, on my lips and in my heart"

Actually, we do verbally say, “Glory to you, Lord,”

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

Actually, we do verbally say, “Glory to you, Lord,”

We say “Glory, to you Lord” in response to the Announcement of the Gospel, “A reading from the Holy Gospel according to…”

This is separate from the “little sign of the Cross”, Lord be on my mind, on my lips and in my heart" are the words that go with the three signs of the Cross.

 

[nicolep]

This is separate from the “little sign of the Cross”, Lord be on my mind, on my lips and in my heart" are the words that go with the three signs of the Cross.

I’ve always found that interesting. It definitely isn’t publicized. Well, it wasn’t when I went through RCIA anyway. There is no mention of it in the GIRM either. I’m not one of those “it has to be written in some specific Church document or it’s an abuse” kind of people, but I’ve never heard of it outside of this forum. Even the other Catholic’s (been so their entire lives) haven’t heard of it either. I don’t mean anything positive or negative by this statement. I’m simply saying it’s interesting.

I agree that the two are separate, but they have a relationship during the Mass. He was asking specifically at what point are the words spoken. One needs to come before the other.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

I’ve always found that interesting. It definitely isn’t publicized. Well, it wasn’t when I went through RCIA anyway. There is no mention of it in the GIRM either. I’m not one of those “it has to be written in some specific Church document or it’s an abuse” kind of people, but I’ve never heard of it outside of this forum. Even the other Catholic’s (been so their entire lives) haven’t heard of it either. I don’t mean anything positive or negative by this statement. I’m simply saying it’s interesting.

I agree that the two are separate, but they have a relationship during the Mass. He was asking specifically at what point are the words spoken. One needs to come before the other.

I do it as I am saying Glory to you Lord.

 

[nicolep]

I do it as I am saying Glory to you Lord.

That’s how I see the majority of people handle the situation.

My post was referring to the “Lord be on my mind, on my lips and in my heart” prayer that some say while making the Little Cross.

I have always said “Glory to you, Lord” directly after the priest says “A reading from the Holy Gospel according to N”.

 

[tobinatorstark]

According to the GIRM -

1. At the ambo, the priest opens the book and, with hands joined, says, Dominus vobiscum (The Lord be with you), and the people respond, Et cum spiritu tuo (And also with you). ***Then he says, Lectio sancti Evangelii (A reading from the holy gospel), making the sign of the cross with his thumb on the book and on his forehead, mouth, and breast, which everyone else does as well. The people say the acclamation Gloria tibi, Domine (Glory to you, Lord). ***The priest incenses the book, if incense is used (cf. below, nos. 276-277). Then he proclaims the Gospel and at the end says the acclamation Verbum Domini (The gospel of the Lord), to which all respond, Laus tibi, Christe (Praise to you, Lord Jesus Christ). The priest kisses the book, saying quietly, Per evangelica dicta (May the words of the gospel).

(Emphasis mine)

It appears to me that it is done after though it doesn’t explicitly say.

excellent reference. I am used to the Latin phrases as I watch the Mass on EWTN daily. I do wish our parish would insert more Latin in our Mass

 

[CHRISTINE77]

That’s how I see the majority of people handle the situation.

My post was referring to the “Lord be on my mind, on my lips and in my heart” prayer that some say while making the Little Cross.

I have always said “Glory to you, Lord” directly after the priest says “A reading from the Holy Gospel according to N”.

It’s like rubbing your stomach and chewing gum at the same time! I think Mind, Lips, Heart as I am saying Glory to you Lord.

 

[damooster]

So I was right; I thought you said it while you’re making the sign of the cross, and my friend thought you were supposed to say it first.

Thanks.

 

[Digitonomy]

He was asking specifically at what point are the words spoken. One needs to come before the other.

Actually, they can be done at the same time, as I used to do. I had always assumed the three small crosses had to wait until the priest was done announcing the Gospel.

Since I found that is not the case, I start the cross on my forehead right when the priest says the word “Gospel,” and finish my gesture when he finishes his announcement, so that I’m not speaking to my thumb when I say “Glory to you, Lord.”

I was never taught words to accompany the gesture, which in my opinion is just as well, since the priest and myself both have important prescribed words to say at that time.

 

[FrDavid96]

I’ve always found that interesting. It definitely isn’t publicized. Well, it wasn’t when I went through RCIA anyway. There is no mention of it in the GIRM either. I’m not one of those “it has to be written in some specific Church document or it’s an abuse” kind of people, but I’ve never heard of it outside of this forum. Even the other Catholic’s (been so their entire lives) haven’t heard of it either. I don’t mean anything positive or negative by this statement. I’m simply saying it’s interesting.

I agree that the two are separate, but they have a relationship during the Mass. He was asking specifically at what point are the words spoken. One needs to come before the other.

It’s not “publicized” because it’s said silently, only in one’s mind and not aloud. It’s like silently saying “My Lord and My God” at the Consecration. It should not be said aloud because that would be against the GIRM.

Only the priest says it aloud (the deacon does not because the priest says the same words when he blesses the deacon before the Gospel)–yet he whispers it. The priest is saying those words (the munda cor meum) over himself because he’s acting as a substitute deacon.

For both a deacon and a priest, the words are said before “The Lord be with you” but the action that matches the words (the triple cross) are done while he’s saying “A reading from…”

How’s that for confusing? I’m getting cross-eyed as I proof read this one. I hope other readers can follow the time-line here!

 

[musicmantg11]

I say “Glory to you Lord” while I make the three crosses.

 

[John_Lilburne]

So I was right; I thought you said it while you’re making the sign of the cross, and my friend thought you were supposed to say it first.

I think you were both wrong.

Say a priest is reading the Gospel. He says “A reading from the Holy Gospel …”. While he says this he, and everyone else, makes the three crosses.

After that the response is made, “Glory to you, Lord.”

As the 2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal has in n. 134: “… Then he says, Lectio sancti Evangelii (A reading from the holy gospel), making the sign of the cross with his thumb on the book and on his forehead, mouth, and breast, which everyone else does as well. …”

 

[Seatuck]

There isn’t a pause at our typical Mass to be able to say the Mind , Lips, Heart prayer separately and then the Glory to you , Lord. ( And didn’t it used to be Glory to you , Oh, Lord?)

So I end up doing simultaneously or getting to my heart after the Glory …

It’s one of those awkward spots like the Pray Brethren…

 

[nicolep]

I think you were both wrong.

Say a priest is reading the Gospel. He says “A reading from the Holy Gospel …”. While he says this he, and everyone else, makes the three crosses.

After that the response is made, “Glory to you, Lord.”

As the 2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal has in n. 134: “… Then he says, Lectio sancti Evangelii (A reading from the holy gospel), making the sign of the cross with his thumb on the book and on his forehead, mouth, and breast, which everyone else does as well. …”

I wondered if anyone actually read the reference I posted!

 

[nicolep]

It’s not “publicized” because it’s said silently, only in one’s mind and not aloud. It’s like silently saying “My Lord and My God” at the Consecration. It should not be said aloud because that would be against the GIRM.

Only the priest says it aloud (the deacon does not because the priest says the same words when he blesses the deacon before the Gospel)–yet he whispers it. The priest is saying those words (the munda cor meum) over himself because he’s acting as a substitute deacon.

For both a deacon and a priest, the words are said before “The Lord be with you” but the action that matches the words (the triple cross) are done while he’s saying “A reading from…”

How’s that for confusing? I’m getting cross-eyed as I proof read this one. I hope other readers can follow the time-line here!

Publicized was the wrong word to use. I mean, no one is given instructions (other than by parents possibly) to say this prayer while making the Little Cross (the Lord be on my…one). It’s a private prayer one is welcome to say silently or not say at all, correct?

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

I say “Glory to you Lord” while I make the three crosses.

Then when do you say the other words? I would have a difficult time saying both at the same time, or even saying one and thinking the other.

 

[FrDavid96]

Publicized was the wrong word to use. I mean, no one is given instructions (other than by parents possibly) to say this prayer while making the Little Cross (the Lord be on my…one). It’s a private prayer one is welcome to say silently or not say at all, correct?

“Publicized” might not have been the best word, but I wouldn’t call it a “wrong” word either.

You are correct: It is a private prayer, said in the silence of one’s own heart. One might say it, or not say it, or even say some other brief silent prayer at that moment.

However:
For the deacon or priest who is actually proclaiming the Gospel, the prayer is either said in a whispered voice or the priest says it over the deacon, but in either case, that’s done before the words “A reading from…”