The gospels don't apply to Christians

[asd72]

I have come across Christians who belief because Jesus preached during the Mosaic covenant, the teaching in the 4 gospels applies only to the Jewish. They think the gospel of the new covenant was only conveyed in the epistles etc.

Does anyone know the history of this belief, and how to counteract it?

If anyone believes this themselves feel free to explain why you have come to this conclusion.

 

[lyrikal]

Where is THAT taught in the Bible?

 

[Oldtimer_7]

A thorough reading of the Gospels shows that only Matthew was written to Jews. Mark, Luke, and John all are aimed at a Greek audience, thus a pagan one that did not have an understanding of Jewish scripture or culture. I am currently reading John, and the explanation of Jewish terms such as “rabbi” would not be done if the audience were not Gentile.

What a strange sort of cafeteria Christianity! Do these people say the Lord’s Prayer? I wish you luck in witnessing to these believers.

 

[Bearontherun]

Do these people say the Lord’s Prayer? I wish you luck in witnessing to these believers.

I have heard of a group like that who don’t pray the Lord’s prayer since they believe that it was only meant for before His death on the cross. I am not sure what denomination…maybe some forms of non-denominatioal? I don’t know.

I guess it may be because the Lord’s prayer contradicts the belief of those who say that all sins past, present, and future are forgiven once and for all once they are saved. They don’t believe in asking for forgiveness repeatedly.

 

[puzzleannie]

I have come across Christians who belief because Jesus preached during the Mosaic covenant, the teaching in the 4 gospels applies only to the Jewish. They think the gospel of the new covenant was only conveyed in the epistles etc.

Does anyone know the history of this belief, and how to counteract it?

If.

since I have never heard this articulated obviously I don’t know the source
you have heard it, so why not inquire from that source?

 

[ProVobis]

I have come across Christians who belief because Jesus preached during the Mosaic covenant, the teaching in the 4 gospels applies only to the Jewish. They think the gospel of the new covenant was only conveyed in the epistles etc.

Does anyone know the history of this belief, and how to counteract it?

If anyone believes this themselves feel free to explain why you have come to this conclusion.

Well, it is true that in the older form of the Mass, the gospel is read facing the barbarians to the north but I have never heard the belief you expressed.

 

[JRKH]

I would ask them simply - If you are a follower of Jesus Christ, why would you not be bound by and follow that which was taught from His own most Holy lips?

Peace
James

 

[Bearontherun]

With regard to the Lord’s prayer, I found this fairly short article that expresses a baptist’s view of the prayer. The writer is critical of its widespread use.

baptistbulletin.org/?p=4126

They said there are no records of the early church using it(I find that hard to believe), that it is wrong for “unsaved” churchgoers to say it, that vain repetition is a danger in praying word for word, etc.

 

[ciero]

I have come across Christians who belief because Jesus preached during the Mosaic covenant, the teaching in the 4 gospels applies only to the Jewish. They think the gospel of the new covenant was only conveyed in the epistles etc.

Does anyone know the history of this belief, and how to counteract it?

If anyone believes this themselves feel free to explain why you have come to this conclusion.

This idea is part of the dispensationalist theology espoused by John Nelson Darby in the 19th century, he was the founder of a group called the Plymouth Brethren. He is also the guy who came up with the idea of the rapture.

If I understand his idea correctly there are 2 dispensations, 1 preached to the Jews, in the gospels, and 1 that applies to the Christians laid out int the epistles. The gospels do not apply to believers, and the epistles only apply to those who already believe.

Hope that helps.

 

[JRKH]

This idea is part of the dispensationalist theology espoused by John Nelson Darby in the 19th century, he was the founder of a group called the Plymouth Brethren. He is also the guy who came up with the idea of the rapture.

If I understand his idea correctly there are 2 dispensations, 1 preached to the Jews, in the gospels, and 1 that applies to the Christians laid out int the epistles. The gospels do not apply to believers, and the epistles only apply to those who already believe.

Hope that helps.

This fits with what I was just told on another website…

The view that the Gospels don’t apply to Christians is apparently part of what is described as “Hyper-dispensationalism”…Whatever that is…

Peace
James

 

[ciero]

This fits with what I was just told on another website…

The view that the Gospels don’t apply to Christians is apparently part of what is described as “Hyper-dispensationalism”…Whatever that is…

Peace
James

I have a good friend who was raised in the Plymouth Brethren movement, and this is how he has explained it to me.

 

[JRKH]

I have a good friend who was raised in the Plymouth Brethren movement, and this is how he has explained it to me.

Can you explain - What is a “dispensation” as defined by them?

Peace
James

 

[Bearontherun]

The view of dividing scriptures(dispensational as ciero said) appears to be supported from the way that they translate and interpret this passage:

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (II Timothy 2:15)”

I found an article that attempts to explain(from the side of the dispensationalist though) some of the scriptures that are used to support this dispensational view.

spiritualblessings.org/docs/What%20Is%20Right%20Division%20-%20single%20page%20format%20-%20R%20Snowden.pdf

Searching online for how to refute dispensationalism turned up numerous results. I didn’t find any ones from the catholic perspective at first glance though (other than a few catholic answers threads that were somewhat related I think).

 

[asd72]

This idea is part of the dispensationalist theology espoused by John Nelson Darby in the 19th century, he was the founder of a group called the Plymouth Brethren. He is also the guy who came up with the idea of the rapture.

If I understand his idea correctly there are 2 dispensations, 1 preached to the Jews, in the gospels, and 1 that applies to the Christians laid out int the epistles. The gospels do not apply to believers, and the epistles only apply to those who already believe.

Hope that helps.

Oh ok, thanks.

 

[Oldtimer_7]

Appropriately, in the Baptist understanding of such things, no other Baptist is bound by the statement on the Lord’s Prayer in the Baptist Bulletin. While there is a prophetic message against mindless repetition, it does not invalidate the use of the Lord’s Prayer. My grandmother experienced the repetitions of prayer for days at a time in Afghanistan, when she and my grandfather passed through there during WWI. We do not chant the Lord’s Prayer for three days, incessantly.

If we were to follow the practice that the writer accuses us of, we would do so in Koine Greek instead of whatever tongue we speak. The way of the pagans was to copy exactly those words of power from whatever language they heard them in. Since in the Roman Empire, Jews were thought to have some mystical connection to the spirit world, we would find the prayer’s source in the Eighteen Benedictions, which the Lord’s Prayer is loosely based on, so we might also chant it in Aramaic for several days. Since I know of no Lutheran or Catholic church which follows this practice, the writer must not be talking about any of us. I wonder what denomination he attended as a child. I suspect the vestments were straw, since this surely sounds like a straw man argument.

 

[Cairisti]

This fits with what I was just told on another website…

The view that the Gospels don’t apply to Christians is apparently part of what is described as “Hyper-dispensationalism”…Whatever that is…

Peace
James

One of my brother’s goes to a church that would be described as hyper-dispensationalist. The original pastor, R. B. Thieme was a big proponent of it. Just this past January my brother told me they were going to study the Gospels, as they hadn’t done so in 5 years. (Seems from talks with him, they mainly stick with St. Paul. )

 

[traillius]

huh?