The greater evil: poverty or abortion

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I feel that asking this question is wasting my time, and will only confirm the obvious.

What is the greater evil? Poverty or abortion?

I think the former is a greater evil as those in poverty are deprived of freedom and an enriching environment to develop their abilities and enjoy life.
 
But even those deprived of freedom still have life. Is life ‘only worthy’ of living in certain 'conditions? Is it truly better to be ‘dead’ than to be POOR? Better to be dead than ‘not free’ --whatever your definition of freedom is? And what is your definition of poverty? One man’s ‘poverty’ is another’s WEALTH.

And if you’re murdered in abortion you never have the chance either to live in an ‘enriching environment’ OR to enrich the world with the gift of your presence.
 
If life weren’t worth living until it was possible to have as much as the typical American has, thn there would have been just a few hundred people in preindustrial history who would have been glad to be alive. We can easily see that this isn’t so. So, life in relative poverty is worth it. Absolute poverty sounds like it’s the absence of any goods, income, credit or opportunities whatever. That is, starvation, naked and alone, in the desert. In other words, death in short order. An early death is exactly what abortion is.
 
I feel that asking this question is wasting my time, and will only confirm the obvious.

What is the greater evil? Poverty or abortion?

I think the former is a greater evil as those in poverty are deprived of freedom and an enriching environment to develop their abilities and enjoy life.
I think you are comparing 2 things that cannot be compared. Never forget:

Luke,18 - 20: "And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said: “Blessed are you poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.”

And about killing someone that is innocent:
Exodus,23 - 7: “Keep far from a false charge, and do not slay the innocent and righteous, for I will not acquit the wicked.”

Freedom is not about being wealth, buying everything someone wants, having everything someone needs. I guess freedom is closer to not thinking that money can give you freedom.

Peace.
 
And what is your definition of poverty? One man’s ‘poverty’ is another’s WEALTH.
I think this post provides my definition of poverty (rather what poverty isn’t)
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Freedom is not about being wealth, buying everything someone wants, having everything someone needs. I guess freedom is closer to not thinking that money can give you freedom.

Peace.
You are not in poverty if do not have to think about money about supplying your basic needs: utilities, clothing (not designer), housing (not a grandiose display of opulence, I suppose one can own an expensive house if it close to their job), transportation, access to knowledge, nutritious food and the ability to store and cook it, pharmaceuticals, health care, and adequate leisure time. That means to do not need to worry about paying their bills when providing their needs or being under stress to make their ends met. Sure, it might mean not spending money on vacations, but personally that makes me rather guilty considering there are people in absolute poverty in Africa and the money for the vacation can be given to a reputable charity.

Unfortunately, the world does not work that way, people who do make enough money do not save their money and indulge in luxuries. But some people struggle to make their ends met in the first world and they do live frugally.
 
Abortion!!!

There is at least a hope for escape from poverty.

There is no escape for an aborted child.
 
Why would you assume poverty to be an evil? There is nothing intrinsically evil with poverty itself… perhaps the evil would be better placed on the conditions that allow such disparity in the distribution of this world’s goods.

After my ex-husband left me and our six young children, ranging in age- then- from 14 years to 14 months of age, we were destitute. I was losing the use of my left leg and needed major sugery to halt the deterioration (from an old spinal fracture) and my youngest child was in the process of being diagnosed with autism. Our income was nil. We lived on disability and so, after my surgery and subsequent recovery I started college. The impetus was poverty and a desire to provide more for my children–but when I got to school I discovered I loved academia and I did exceedingly well- even while living in utter poverty and rearing my six children as best as I could, while giving my youngest with autism all of the help that I possibly could.

I graduated with a 3.934 grade point average, summa cum laude, with departmental and commonwealth honors, did a 34 credit post- bac, and just earned my Master’s degree, an MFA.

Although reared in the kind of poverty where we knew hunger, my children grew up (in the words of their teachers) in an “enriched environment”. We are all readers and haven’t watched television in over 10 years. A libary card and interlibrary loan put the world at our fingertips. The children learned to name and chart the stars. They camped in the yard with home-made tents. The wrote books that they illustrated. They made home-made bows and arrows that became so sophisticated they could hit a target with precision. We said family rosary together on a regular basis and also had family bible reading. They never earned an allowance (I didn’t have nickel to give them) and they were always ready to help. They were appreciative of any kindness that ever came their way.

As soon as they were old enough they each took a job. They all wanted to contribute to the family. I wouldn’t take more than 15.00 from them so they found other ways to contribute. My second son bought me a washing machine out of his savings. Others would put gas in the car… they also saved their money for a car and to pay for their own insurance on the car and to pay for college.

The oldest has graduated from University with a BA in Finance and is doing well. He has taught 8th grade catechism for 4 years now. The second is putting himself through college as well as working three jobs, he is earning his BA in accounting. The third is doing the same-- his goal is to be a high school history teacher.The two oldest also went on a Habitat for Humanity mission this past summer to Africa to build homes for the impoverished people. They, of course, financed this themselves.

I guess the point is that, though we were poor enough to know want and worry, our lives were enriched in many ways, not the least of which was through our faith and love for God and family. The children learned wonderful lessons that will serve them throughout life. Poverty is neither a glorious good nor a foul evil. How we choose to live in the condition of poverty is what causes good or evil to follow-- but then, that goes for any financial state or, indeed, any condition of life…
 
Why would you assume poverty to be an evil? There is nothing intrinsically evil with poverty itself… perhaps the evil would be better placed on the conditions that allow such disparity in the distribution of this world’s goods.

After my ex-husband left me and our six young children, ranging in age- then- from 14 years to 14 months of age, we were destitute. I was losing the use of my left leg and needed major sugery to halt the deterioration (from an old spinal fracture) and my youngest child was in the process of being diagnosed with autism. Our income was nil. We lived on disability and so, after my surgery and subsequent recovery I started college. The impetus was poverty and a desire to provide more for my children–but when I got to school I discovered I loved academia and I did exceedingly well- even while living in utter poverty and rearing my six children as best as I could, while giving my youngest with autism all of the help that I possibly could.

I graduated with a 3.934 grade point average, summa cum laude, with departmental and commonwealth honors, did a 34 credit post- bac, and just earned my Master’s degree, an MFA.

Although reared in the kind of poverty where we knew hunger, my children grew up (in the words of their teachers) in an “enriched environment”. We are all readers and haven’t watched television in over 10 years. A libary card and interlibrary loan put the world at our fingertips. The children learned to name and chart the stars. They camped in the yard with home-made tents. The wrote books that they illustrated. They made home-made bows and arrows that became so sophisticated they could hit a target with precision. We said family rosary together on a regular basis and also had family bible reading. They never earned an allowance (I didn’t have nickel to give them) and they were always ready to help. They were appreciative of any kindness that ever came their way.

As soon as they were old enough they each took a job. They all wanted to contribute to the family. I wouldn’t take more than 15.00 from them so they found other ways to contribute. My second son bought me a washing machine out of his savings. Others would put gas in the car… they also saved their money for a car and to pay for their own insurance on the car and to pay for college.

The oldest has graduated from University with a BA in Finance and is doing well. He has taught 8th grade catechism for 4 years now. The second is putting himself through college as well as working three jobs, he is earning his BA in accounting. The third is doing the same-- his goal is to be a high school history teacher.The two oldest also went on a Habitat for Humanity mission this past summer to Africa to build homes for the impoverished people. They, of course, financed this themselves.

I guess the point is that, though we were poor enough to know want and worry, our lives were enriched in many ways, not the least of which was through our faith and love for God and family. The children learned wonderful lessons that will serve them throughout life. Poverty is neither a glorious good nor a foul evil. How we choose to live in the condition of poverty is what causes good or evil to follow-- but then, that goes for any financial state or, indeed, any condition of life…
I am absolutely in awe of your story. God bless you for raising such talented, smart and amazing human beings. You are truly a mother who opened her heart up to God’s grace, and let Him supply your needs. I really love your story. Thanks for sharing w/us!🙂
 
I would say abortion is the evil of the two choices, as poverty is not a choice. Abortion is. There is always an alternative to abortion. There isn’t always an alternative, for some, when it comes to poverty.
 
To Whatevergirl-- Thank you for your kind words.
God bless you with peace and goodness.
 
I feel that asking this question is wasting my time, and will only confirm the obvious.

What is the greater evil? Poverty or abortion?
Apart from a few Satanists, the only reason a woman ever goes for an abortion is because she doesn’t have the resources to raise the child. There can be no greater poverty.
 
Apart from a few Satanists, the only reason a woman ever goes for an abortion is because she doesn’t have the resources to raise the child. There can be no greater poverty.
Which is why I - who am staunchly pro-life and against abortion in every case and believe it is the taking of a human life even at 1 second old - believe poverty is the greater evil, because it leads to things like abortion, prostitution, theft, assault, despair, and so on and so forth.

If you want to stop abortions, you have to fix the problems that are causing the majority of them.
 
Apart from a few Satanists, the only reason a woman ever goes for an abortion is because she doesn’t have the resources to raise the child. There can be no greater poverty.
I amost aborted my first child, not because I thought that I couldn’t care for him, but because I thought that he would hamper my plans for college. Selfish reasons, yes. But it goes to show that there are other reasons beyond poverty for having an abortion.😦
 
I feel that asking this question is wasting my time, and will only confirm the obvious.

What is the greater evil? Poverty or abortion?

I think the former is a greater evil as those in poverty are deprived of freedom and an enriching environment to develop their abilities and enjoy life.
People do rise out of poverty, even dire poverty, if given the resources and education to do so. It is not a hopeless situation.
 
I amost aborted my first child, not because I thought that I couldn’t care for him, but because I thought that he would hamper my plans for college. Selfish reasons, yes. But it goes to show that there are other reasons beyond poverty for having an abortion.😦
That’s just money in disguise. You wouldn’t have considered it if you could have afforded a nanny. In the US, of course, very few people really can’t afford a child on any rational sort of calculation. But plenty think that cars or mortgages or career jobs are essentials.
 
Even a short life in poverty is a blessing compared to never being born.
 
Apart from a few Satanists, the only reason a woman ever goes for an abortion is because she doesn’t have the resources to raise the child. There can be no greater poverty.
Not true. Do you know HOW prevalent abortion is in middle-class America? They are not poor, they are selfish. There is a difference. And in many cases, these women are having more than one. If they were that poor, they’d stop having sex. It is selfish of the men and women who endorse it.

And I doubt poverty is evil. Ask Mother Theresa and many Saints, as they were quite poor.
 
Agreed. Nothing puts a damper on your sex life like being hungry and living outside in the cold on the street.
Well, not quite my point, but true nonetheless.

All I want right now is Chick Fil A. Sex is waayyyyyyyyyy down my list at the moment.
 
Poverty is in many cases, a choice.

Now, no one says, “Hmmm. Do I want to be rich or poor? Rich or poor? I guess I’ll choose to be poor.”

But people do choose to drop out of school (about 30% of all children who enter high school do not graduate.) People do choose to use drugs, have sex out of wedlock, commit crimes, and so on. All of those contribute to poverty.

And people do choose – for no better reason than their own convenience – to murder their unborn children. Poverty is not an excuse for abortion and we cannot blame abortion on a lack of social programs.
 
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