The Greek-Catholic community is facing a cultural and religious cleansing in Romania

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Because the situation is getting wors in Romania, where the Greek-Catholic community is facing a sistematic discrimination and violation of human rights from the Romanian State, we sent the following letter to Mrs. Hillary Clinton:

rogca.org/a2-Letter-to-Mrs-Hillary-Rodham-Clinton-addressing-the-cultural-and-religious-cleansing-of-the-greek-catholic-community-in-Romania.aspx

I will constantly post updates about the situation in Romania in this thread. Please don’t hesitate to ask me if you have any questions.

Thanks.
 
Truly sad and a good example of how much hatred many Orthodox in Eastern Europe still have for the Catholic Church.
 
The conflict between Orthodox and Greek Catholics almost anywhere is a sad story.

Neither side has clean hands in it.
 
I don’t know anywhere in Eastern Europe where Greek-Catholics are doing such things to the Orhodox.
 
Seamus_L said:
I don’t know anywhere in Eastern Europe where Greek-Catholics are doing such things to the Orhodox.
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Not to create conflict with Greko Catolics - but same thing in reverse happens in city of L’vov in western Ukraina. Here the city council and Ukrainian Greko Catolic church prevent there from being any constructin of Orthodox churches. Only Orthodox church, St. George, is having such crowds during liturgy that just stand in yard and listen on megaphones, rupors. Hidden from state control, some liturgies are offered in old factories and miitary barracks.

Below is a statement that Bishop of Lvov/Halitsij Avgustin asked President Ukraina to influence city powers of Lvov which for 9 years have not given permission for construction of an Orthodox church. This was in 2001 - now it is 18 years without new church. Also consent of Cardinal-Archbishop of Ukrainian Greko Catolics required for city powers to consider giving land for a church!!

Во время празднования 950-летия Киево-Печерской Лав-ры архиепископ Львовский и Галицкий Августин вновь обратился к Президенту Украины с очередной просьбой повлиять на власти Львова, которые вот уже 9 лет не дают разрешение на строительство во Львове православно-го кафедрального собора. Двумя неделями раньше владыка Августин письменно обращался к Президенту Украи-ны Леониду Кучме. “Я надеюсь, - писал он, - что Ваше последнее обещание содействовать выделению земель-ного участка для строительства кафедрального собора в г. Львове, которое Вы дали в Святом алтаре Трапезной церкви Киево-Печерской Лавры… будет результативным”.
Обратиться с подобными словами к Президенту архиепископа вынудила позиция Львовского городского совета, который 27 июля 2001 г. в очередной раз ответил отказом Львовской епархии УПЦ в выделении земельного участка под строительство кафедрального собора и епархиального управления. Подобное решение мотивировалось рекомендациями комиссии по делам религии Львовского горисполкома, считающего, что “потребности верующих” могут быть удовлетворены действующим храмом св. Георгия, размешенным на ул. Короленко. “
 
Seamus_L said:
Truly sad and a good example of how much hatred many Orthodox in Eastern Europe still have for the Catholic Church.
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Many of them, including bishops, breathe the hate towards the Catholic Church. I just want to remember you the case that happened last year in Romania, when an orthodox Metropolitan, Nicolae Corneanu of Banat, asked to received the communion during a greek-catholic liturgy. Many orthodox bishops said that is a mortal sin to get the communion from heretics (like catholics). Others said that we didn’t even receive the Body and Blood of our Lord because we are heretics.

All these orthodox bishops go in the West and kiss with the catholics, and use their churches for alternative services, and take their money, and study in their universities, but when they go back home they destroy our heritate because “it’s heretic”.

Soon we will release more press releases in regards to the situation in Romania.
 
Seamus_L said:
I don’t know anywhere in Eastern Europe where Greek-Catholics are doing such things to the Orhodox.
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In the early to mid-90’s, Ukrainian Catholics were occupying Orthodox Churches and even desecrating the Reserved Gifts by throwing them in the dust.

Those who participated in such a sacrilege stand excommunicated by the canon laws of their own Church, strictly speaking.

Josaphat Kunstevitch would lead detachments of troops to arrest Orthodox and destroy the very tents in which they were worshipping after they were driven out of their own churches.
 
Cluny said:
In the early to mid-90’s, Ukrainian Catholics were occupying Orthodox Churches and even desecrating the Reserved Gifts by throwing them in the dust.

Those who participated in such a sacrilege stand excommunicated by the canon laws of their own Church, strictly speaking.

Josaphat Kunstevitch would lead detachments of troops to arrest Orthodox and destroy the very tents in which they were worshipping after they were driven out of their own churches.
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Were those curches greek-catholic before the Ukrainean Greek-Catholic Church was abolished by the communists?
 
RoGca said:
Were those curches greek-catholic before the Ukrainean Greek-Catholic Church was abolished by the communists?
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I don’t know. But does it matter?

Even if they were, does that allow the GC’s to desecrate the Mysteries confected by an Orthodox Priest?

I compare and contrast these sad stories with accounts I hear of Melkites and Orthodox in the Middle East using the same churches, and even frequenting each other’s liturgies–as well as those of other Apostolic Eastern Christians.
 
Cluny said:
In the early to mid-90’s, Ukrainian Catholics were occupying Orthodox Churches and even desecrating the Reserved Gifts by throwing them in the dust.

Those who participated in such a sacrilege stand excommunicated by the canon laws of their own Church, strictly speaking.

Josaphat Kunstevitch would lead detachments of troops to arrest Orthodox and destroy the very tents in which they were worshipping after they were driven out of their own churches.
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Ya know what, let’s not derail this thread by turning into some snarky debate over who’s more right ok?
This is a sensitive topic for me personally and frankly your attitude is making me angry.
 
Pope Benedict visited Romania less than 3 weeks ago. Was this topic even discussed, and did any of the country’s Greek Catholics meet with the Pope ?
 
jam070406 said:
Ya know what, let’s not derail this thread by turning into some snarky debate over who’s more right ok?
This is a sensitive topic for me personally and frankly your attitude is making me angry.
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My point is that neither side can claim to be 100% innocent in this matter.

BOTH have been wrong, and BOTH need to ask forgiveness of the other.
 
Cluny said:
My point is that neither side can claim to be 100% innocent in this matter.

BOTH have been wrong, and BOTH need to ask forgiveness of the other.
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I don’t think anyone in this thread claimed otherwise so your point is moot.

If you and the Orthodox poster (that tried to divert the topic by bringing up aother unrelated scenario) want to start another thread discussing the SITUATION IN THE UKRAINE feel free.

Otherwise, please don’t distract from, or minimize the eradication of the Greek Catholic Church IN ROMANIA that the OP was attempting to make people aware of.
 
Cluny said:
I don’t know. But does it matter?

Even if they were, does that allow the GC’s to desecrate the Mysteries confected by an Orthodox Priest?

I compare and contrast these sad stories with accounts I hear of Melkites and Orthodox in the Middle East using the same churches, and even frequenting each other’s liturgies–as well as those of other Apostolic Eastern Christians.
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The information about desecration of the Mysteries has to be checked from multiple sources. I never heard about something like that until now.

In regards to the alternative services that you talking about, we, the greek-catholics in Romania, proposed them to the Orthodox Church, so none of the believers would pray in street, like we do now, but they don’t want to accept it. So they keep our churches while we pray outside. On the other hand, in the West, they accept alternative services in the roman-catholic churches. They use double standards.

As you maybe saw, in Romania right now, when we win a church in court they start demolishing it.

Please read carefully these two reports from US Department of State:

state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2008/108467.htm - International Religious Freedom Report about Romania

state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2008/eur/119100.htm - Human Rights Report
 
Seamus_L said:
Pope Benedict visited Romania less than 3 weeks ago. Was this topic even discussed, and did any of the country’s Greek Catholics meet with the Pope ?
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Pope Benedict didn’t visit Romania 3 weeks ago. The only Pope that visited Romania was Johm Paul II in 1999.
 
Sorry about that. In my haste a confused an article about the 10 year anniversary of John Paul II’s visit.
Has there been any recent discussion with the Vatican regarding this matter.
 
Not trying to by any means divert or minimise the seriousness of what is going on …and what has gone on …for centuries .

And the report that the same persons who are on the enemy/ wrong side , when they come to the Latin territory and even if for sake of conveniance or whatever , if they are then able to set aside diffrences and find common ground, could it be something more …such as the effect of the so called Latin devotions too …more reverence for The Eucharist …focus on mercy …abundant trust in the goodness of God , such as expressed in the Catholic Dogmas …and while the respect for the true traditions need not be compromised , hope that in some difficult , resistant situations , even a full or double armour - can it not help !

This also becuase of having heard of reliable reports of Eucharistic Adoration cruise , in even changing predicted hurricane patterns !

With threats of war looming between Iran and Israel too , His Presence and Power to be pleaded in all the many channels of The Church !

Peace !
 
There are many things going on in Romania. Tomorrow we will make public a letter that was sent to the Embassies from Bucharest of every country part of the European Union in regards to the continuous demolition of the greek-catholic church from Sapanta, Maramures County.
 
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