The Greylorn Fallacy

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Let God be God. I think it is a good idea to be clear of who he is and know him and then set out to ‘prove’ or help others to come to know that he exists. It is quite a task to ‘think’ not to know him and set out to prove his existence within the search itself.
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I really cannot do much by way of changing God, can I?

I do what I can. Having determined to my personal satisfaction that I live in a created, engineered universe, the best I can do is correct the absurd statements which have been made about the nature of God by very intelligent men who, as timing would have it, knew virtually nothing about the structure of the universe or the composition of critters when they developed their false notions of God’s nature.

My chore is not to prove the existence of God, but to explain his nature and potential purposes. I also explain God’s origin (and isn’t that a sacrilegious notion?) and propose that the Trinity is not One God, but Three Gods. (Who’d have thunk such a thing?) Then I provide a logical (but not very pretty) motivation for God’s creation of mankind.

And to finish off the job, I explain how a correct God concept can explain the scientific evidence behind the Big Bang and evolution, bringing theology into closer integration with science than has ever been done before.

This is a lot of work, but don’t feel guilty because I don’t do it for you-- I do it in spite of you and the other dogmatists who’ve helped screw up this planet and the people on it. You have your beliefs. So, why not simply have them? Why try to introduce them to, or reconvert, people with minds?

I’ve tried your beliefs, and they led me into a stupid, miserable life. Twenty years learning them, another twenty years figuring out the source of the problem, and another twenty figuring out how to do things better. Except by the end of the 60 year cycle, there’s nothing to do except force a decrepit body to punch keys and whine.

My writings are not for true believers whose brains are in the grip of dogma. I’d prefer that they not read them, and that they leave me alone. Scientific tests have proven that such people cannot comprehend anything I write.

However, there are a number of individuals who have serious hard-science educations who do not believe in God, or in the post-death continuity of consciousness. (I’d guess that the scientists you wined and dined at dinner parties did not discuss religion, lest they offend the hostess and be cut off from the wine and apertifs, and not be invited to the next party.) Latest quote I heard is that 97% of prison inmates believe in God, and 3% of university professors. (The numbers may be off a few ticks, but very few ticks.)
Maybe, we do not need to spin out so many thoughts to find him…
You are right. The basic thoughts behind my ideas are few and simple. I can express a complete theory of a God-inclusive and physics-consistent universe in ten pages or less. Tried it. Neither religion nor science dogmatists are capable of understanding more than a few sentences.

Getting dogmatists past their beliefs, which act like firewalls in the brain, takes more words than I’d have ever believed, back before I started.

With a Pollyannaish believer like you it would be impossible, in an infinity of words, to convey my understandings into your mind. You are, I’m sure, a sweet and lovely person who has done much good, and may do more. Stick with your beliefs. They work for you. I’d never try to convince you of the worth of my ideas because you do not need them. Believe your beliefs.

But, let loose, and recognize that not everyone shares your certainty. Acknowledge that society’s “intelligensia” are mostly atheist, and that your doctrines and dogmas will never sway them. At least stand aside while I take a shot at it, and if I get close to the goal, jumping up and down and cheering from the sideline would be nice.
 
How is the Philosophy forum going now? We can just post big pics and say really nothing and get away with it because it follows forum rules of having a catholic emphasis?
Apparently, you do not understand the very philosophical and theological value of my post. To present a philosophical understanding, it is not forbidden to bring up the understanding of a Catholic saint nor to use a picture. I like pictures. 🙂 But, perhaps, you were taken (at prima facie) with an image of Jesus and the mention of Saint Anthony of Padua and repulsed, missed the point.
What is the point of this sub forum?
To philosophize; and so far in this thread I think that is exactly what we are doing. It is not a philosophy sub-forum that in order to present itself as such needs to be kept “secular” and with no mention of Jesus nor Catholic saints. What would give this forum prestige in your estimation? No mention of Jesus? No mention of Catholic saints? Well, I very much disagree with you here.

It is a deep philosophical point to consider the lilies of the valley. But, you missed it because of my image of Jesus. Too bad.

Greylorn, I have not read your posts. I need to go to a hearing now and then I need to take my son to the university. I will try to respond this evening if not tomorrow.

Peace,

Abba
 
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