The Growth of Islam in Europe

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Will Islam eventually become the dominant religion in Europe?

I keep hearing reports that Islam is growing in Europe. This seems to be especially true in countries such as Germany and the Netherlands. There are plenty of videos on YouTube to verify this fact.

However, I am not sure that Islam is growing as fast as its own adherents would have us believe. Europe is mainly a secularised continent and I see secular humanism growing faster than any religion.

That being said, Islam does seem to be attracting converts who previously identified themselves as Christian. It would seem that Islam is attracting far more non-religious Europeans than Christianity.

Why do so many people appear to be accepting Islam in favour of their traditional faith in Christianity? And how will this effect the Catholic Church in Europe?
 
Dempsey1919 said:
Will Islam eventually become the dominant religion in Europe?

I keep hearing reports that Islam is growing in Europe. This seems to be especially true in countries such as Germany and the Netherlands. There are plenty of videos on YouTube to verify this fact.

However, I am not sure that Islam is growing as fast as its own adherents would have us believe. Europe is mainly a secularised continent and I see secular humanism growing faster than any religion.

That being said, Islam does seem to be attracting converts who previously identified themselves as Christian. It would seem that Islam is attracting far more non-religious Europeans than Christianity.

Why do so many people appear to be accepting Islam in favour of their traditional faith in Christianity? And how will this effect the Catholic Church in Europe?
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A more important question might be: “How many threads on this subject are necessary per week?”
 
Kaninchen said:
A more important question might be: “How many threads on this subject are necessary per week?”
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i don’t think he/she is active on this particular forum so maybe he did not see previous threads 🤷
 
I hardly ever read this particular sub forum and I can’t remember the last time I posted here. If you don’t want to join this conversation, then don’t.
 
inJESUS said:
hehe could be…but this topic might alarm many, especially with all the negative things in Islam. Ask us Middle Easteners 😉
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Do we need all these Americans in a perpetual state of alarm though? Is it good for them, poor things?

What we don’t need is to build up European paranoias, just ask us Europeans where that leads - 50-60 million dead last time.
 
Kaninchen said:
Do we need all these Americans in a perpetual state of alarm though? Is it good for them, poor things?

What we don’t need is to build up European paranoias, just ask us Europeans where that leads - 50-60 million dead last time.
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Yes, we do, especially when Muslims are threatening to blow up our country and make Islam the official religion. Have you, as a Jew, not heard their plans for Israel?
 
Kaninchen said:
Do we need all these Americans in a perpetual state of alarm though? Is it good for them, poor things?

What we don’t need is to build up European paranoias, just ask us Europeans where that leads - 50-60 million dead last time.
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We are doing our best to awaken the somnolent and complacent Europeans, poor things.

Interesting comparison, many Muslims share Hitler’s opinion about Jews.
 
I think the growth of Islam in Europe is mainly due to immigration (there are 5 million Muslim immigrants in France), and the fact that they procreate a lot more than Christians. They try to have as many kids as they can and birth control is not allowed.

They also do not integrate into the society as readily as Christians, they keep close to people of the same ethnicity and religion.

There are conversions of course, but there are not on a massive scale. It’s not Christians converting, it’s mostly athiests who felt a void in their life. As far as Christianity recruiting is rather dormat in Europe:( , Muslims are actively persuing converts.

I don’t think Islam will ever take over Europe, the cradle of Christianity. They tried before to take it by force and failed. In 1683, during the battle of Vienna Christian forces under the command of Polish king defeated Muslim forces against the odds, since Muslim forces had twice as many troops and twice as many cannons. This battle broke the advance of the Ottoman Empire into Europe and spread of Islam there. Some sources say that that battle started on… September 11, a date familiar to everone in civilized world. I think that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were a sort of revenge for the loss hundreds of years before.

Jesus said: “When I come back, will there be any faith on Earth?” That tells us that the He predicted that faith would be dwindling close to His coming. All of it is happening now. However, He also said “Peter, you are Rock and on this Rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”. That means, no matter what the reason, no matter whose efforts will try to undermine the Church, our Church will never be defeated.

Let’s rejoyce, Jesus is Lord!
 
reteeks21 said:
Yes, we do, especially when Muslims are threatening to blow up our country and make Islam the official religion. Have you, as a Jew, not heard their plans for Israel?
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So, you don’t think all this ‘Muslim ate my hamster’, ‘Muslims breeding for victory’, ‘Muslims are very, very naughty’ stuff isn’t more than a little self-indulgent?
 
Malgosia said:
I think the growth of Islam in Europe is mainly due to immigration (there are 5 million Muslim immigrants in France), and the fact that they procreate a lot more than Christians. They try to have as many kids as they can and birth control is not allowed.
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Funny that the fertility rate in Turkey and the Islamic Republic of Iran is less than replacement then, isn’t it?
 
I remember warnings about this over 20 years ago, because the birthrates were so low in Europe.

The problem is not one if immigration. It is not one of procreation. IT is simply one of intergration. Even if the Muslim numbers stayed right where they are today, part of the group will not become “part of Europe” but will try to change Europe into Iran or Saudi Arabia. This part will get louder and attract disenfranchised Muslims until it boils over into violence.
 
Kaninchen said:
Funny that the fertility rate in Turkey and the Islamic Republic of Iran is less than replacement then, isn’t it?
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Actually, Turkey is a secular country therefore the religion is not important to a lot of people. The society itself is highly secularised.

Iran, even though it is an islamic Republic is mainly secular too, with people much more interested in acquiring wealth than feeding and raising lost of kids. I should know, I am married to an Iranian.

Notice that both countries you mentioned are NOT Arabic. Islam is distinctly Arabic, and it’s Arabs that are a driving force behind it.
 
Don’t forget about Britain and France, they are full of muslims as well. Ther problem is that their authorities are cowards just like in 1939. They expected the German problem to solve somehow by itself. They did nothing to stop Hitler and we all know what happened. It’s the same now. They know very well they are cowards so they, to feel better, speak very bravely about global warming or gay rights (privileges in fact).
Muslims are supported by all kinds of liberals, leftists, communists, etc. Why? Because they have the same enemy - the CC.
They will have big problems, the problems they definitely deserve.
 
Kaninchen,
Let’s assume that Islam never gets above 25% of the population. Do you think that all of the various groups can co-exist peacefully? What about at 40%? 60%? 80%? At what point will rights be taken away or violence become order of the day? In most nations that see an increase in Muslim population, there is an increase in religious tensions and violence. At what point can it be a threat or does it matter?

If a radical Muslim group ended up in charge ina country in Europe, will it be good when art or historical Churches are destroyed?
 
ralphinal said:
Kaninchen,
Let’s assume that Islam never gets above 25% of the population. Do you think that all of the various groups can co-exist peacefully? What about at 40%? 60%? 80%? At what point will rights be taken away or violence become order of the day? In most nations that see an increase in Muslim population, there is an increase in religious tensions and violence. At what point can it be a threat or does it matter?

If a radical Muslim group ended up in charge ina country in Europe, will it be good when art or historical Churches are destroyed?
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This is not a European problem, it’s an American problem.
 
Shalom, all!

I have read a study (whose link I can’t find now – I’ll work on that) that showed the role of Muslims in a society based on the percentage of Muslims within that society. The upshot was that as long as Muslims are less than 10% of the population, you have the stereotypical “good Muslim” – pays taxes, plays well with others, etc. When the population gets above 15%, though, problems begin with attempts to form separate (but equal) legal systems within the host country and agitation for recognition and official tolerance for their rights. When the population gets above 25%, thats when violence begins.

As for Muslims being just under 3% in the UK, that may be true for the UK as a whole. What about the areas or neighborhoods where the Muslim population has reached above 10%, or above 20%? Haven’t there been cases in the UK (in areas that have had a growth in Muslim population) of Christian churches coming under physical attack? What about the areas in Paris that have become “no-go zones” for police?

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