The Hail Mary Prayer

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I pray the Hail Mary Prayer but only the first part that comes from Bible “Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with you. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.”. I do not pray the second half “Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.”. I there anything wrong with just praying the first half of the Hail Mary Prayer?

Albert
 
Do you object to other non-biblical prayers? To you object to extra-biblical traditions and teachings?

Do you deny that Mary is the mother of God?

Do you deny that you, me, and just about everyone else is a sinner?

Do you think you’ll make it through the hour of your death just fine without help nor intercession from anyone elsethankyouverymuch?

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Albert Kopsho:
I pray the Hail Mary Prayer but only the first part that comes from Bible “Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with you. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.”. I do not pray the second half “Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.”. I there anything wrong with just praying the first half of the Hail Mary Prayer?

Albert
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do you pray for others? for those of your own denomination? for other Christians? for your family? for sinners? for healing and forgiveness of your own sin? for union with Christ at the moment of death? Do you pray for those you know of who are sick or dying?
Mary is family, she is our mother, this is what you believe if you pray the first part of the prayer.

Do you ever pray in a style, in your church, where you, the pastor or worship leader proclaims a scripture, teaches on it, then prays a collect prayer or other extemporaneous prayer based on the message of that scripture?
that is precisely the formulation of the Hail Mary, and of the entire rosary: proclaiming scripture, meditating on scripture, and praying with scripture.

it seems your overriding concern is to make sure your prayer is rooted in scripture, an admirable goal. I suggest finding a scriptural rosary booklet, article or pamphlets which directs you to the scriptural foundation for each mystery, and let those scriptures guide your prayers. Over time your difficulties will evaporate.
 
A Message to All:

Mr. Kopsho has made numerous posts like this (I believe in this but I don’t believe in that) to EWTN’s message forums, using the name “M.P. Mazar”.

Do not reply to the messages. Report them to the moderators instead.

Thank you.
 
A Message To All,

Ignore rcn. Who does that individual think he or she is to go against what the forum rules state? The forum rules state anybody, whether they are Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant or Jew can post on the forums. rcn seems to think that only individuals that agree with him or her should be allowed to post on this forum.

Albert
 
Albert Kopsho:
I pray the Hail Mary Prayer but only the first part that comes from Bible “Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with you. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.”. I do not pray the second half “Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.”. I there anything wrong with just praying the first half of the Hail Mary Prayer?

Albert
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Why do you have a problem with the rest of the Hail Mary?
 
Genesis315,

I have a problem with the second half of the Hail Mary Prayer because it is requesting that the Virgin Mary pray for us. Which is not possible because the Virgin Mary is dead and the Bible makes it to be undersdtood that the dead do not know what is going on on Earth.

Albert
 
Albert Kopsho:
Genesis315,

I have a problem with the second half of the Hail Mary Prayer because it is requesting that the Virgin Mary pray for us. Which is not possible because the Virgin Mary is dead and the Bible makes it to be undersdtood that the dead do not know what is going on on Earth.

Albert
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Mark 12:26-27

And as concerning the dead that they rise again, have you not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spoke to him, saying: I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?

He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You therefore do greatly err.
 
Albert Kopsho:
Genesis315,

I have a problem with the second half of the Hail Mary Prayer because it is requesting that the Virgin Mary pray for us. Which is not possible because the Virgin Mary is dead and the Bible makes it to be undersdtood that the dead do not know what is going on on Earth.

Albert
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She is Jesus’ mother. She has a litttle more clout than you think. And yes the dead can pray for us. Where in the Bible does it make it clear to you that this is not so.
 
Albert Kopsho:
the Bible makes it to be undersdtood that the dead do not know what is going on on Earth.
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Is Moses dead?

Is Elijah dead?

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Mr. Kopsho has made numerous posts like this (I believe in this but I don’t believe in that) to EWTN’s message forums, using the name “M.P. Mazar”.

I’ve never seen EWTN’s message forum. Can you direct me?
 
www.ewtn.com, “Catholic Q&A” on the left side.
Click the “Search our library of previous questions” and search for questions using the names Mazar (up through about May 2004, until the priests stopped answering his taunts) and Kopsho (since then). Many of the same “queries” that have been posted here. Let the evidence speak for itself.
 
Albert Kopsho:
A Message To All,

Ignore rcn. Who does that individual think he or she is to go against what the forum rules state? The forum rules state anybody, whether they are Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant or Jew can post on the forums. rcn seems to think that only individuals that agree with him or her should be allowed to post on this forum.

Albert
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Yep. That’s Mazar all right. This fellow is also fond of “who does nnn think you/he/she is/are to blah blah blaah” even on EWTN.

rcn is citing the forum rules against trolling.
 
Albert Kopsho:
Genesis315,

I have a problem with the second half of the Hail Mary Prayer because it is requesting that the Virgin Mary pray for us. Which is not possible because the Virgin Mary is dead and the Bible makes it to be undersdtood that the dead do not know what is going on on Earth.

Albert
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You don’t understand theology, and your pick-and-choose-what-doctrines-I-like version of Catholicism is insulting to our Lord and Savior. I’ve also seen your pattern…how long do you intend to keep it up?

First of all, Mary is not dead, nor are the Saints. Read Revelation chapter 3. Read the entire Bible, in fact…it would behoove you to do so. Read ALL the verses, not just the ones you like best.

We are members of the body of Christ. When he died, he died for our sins, and when we partake in communion (in a state of grace)/ follow the teachings of Christ, we live in him and he lives in us. We are members of one body. This is scriptural.

Those that die and go to heaven may physically die (which Mary did not). but they do not SPIRITUALLY die as they are as alive in Christ, aye, more so than you and I.

When we pray to Mary, when we pray to the saints, we pray to people who are alive and have the very ear of God.

Father Corapi is fond of sayin, “You can’t be Catholic and Pro-Choice”. That applies to other doctrines as well.

You can’t be Catholic and disregard the doctrines of the Chuirch. You can call yourself whatever you want, you can sign on as a member, but until you stop fighting the Spirit and the teachings, you are not really Catholic.

I will pray for you. You obviously are in need of many prayers.

I’ll specifically pray to Our Lady on your behalf as you have so hardened your heart.
 
JCPhoenix,

There is no place in the Bible that states that the Virgin Mary was concieved without sin and no place in the Bible does it mention the Assumption of the Virgin Mary. The Bible states that the Virgin Mary needed a savior. The Bible also states that there is only one mediator between God and Man and that is Jesus not the Virgin Mary. The Bible condemns communication with the dead. If I am on the membership roll of the local Catholic Church then that means that I am legally Catholic.

Albert
 
porthos11,

Don’t the forum rules state that anybody whether they are Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant or Jewish can post on the forums? The forum rules also state that posters do not have to believe alike in order to post on the forums.

Albert
 
Albert Kopsho:
porthos11,

Don’t the forum rules state that anybody whether they are Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant or Jewish can post on the forums? The forum rules also state that posters do not have to believe alike in order to post on the forums.

Albert
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Mazar,

The rules also state not to flamebait.
 
Albert Kopsho:
JCPhoenix,

There is no place in the Bible that states that the Virgin Mary was concieved without sin and no place in the Bible does it mention the Assumption of the Virgin Mary. The Bible states that the Virgin Mary needed a savior. The Bible also states that there is only one mediator between God and Man and that is Jesus not the Virgin Mary. The Bible condemns communication with the dead. If I am on the membership roll of the local Catholic Church then that means that I am legally Catholic.

Albert
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But your obstinate and hardhearted refusal to adhere to the dogmas of the Church is an excommunicable offense. By publicly declaring this, you have made yourself a heretic.

From the Catechism
Definition of heresy from the Catechism:

"Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same;
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You are Catholic in name only, but a heretic in reality. I now put forth this law before you:
Can. 1364 §1 An apostate from the faith, a heretic or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication, without prejudice to the provision of Can. 194 §1, n. 2; a cleric, moreover, may be punished with the penalties mentioned in Can. 1336 §1, nn. 1, 2 and 3.
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Can. 1331 §1 An excommunicated person is forbidden:
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1° to have any ministerial part in the celebration of the Sacrifice of the Eucharist or in any other ceremonies of public worship;
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2° to celebrate the sacraments or sacramentals and to receive the sacraments ;
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3° to exercise any ecclesiastical offices, ministries, functions or acts of governance.
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§2 If the excommunication has been imposed or declared, the offender:
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1° proposing to act in defiance of the provision of §1, n. 1 is to be removed, or else the liturgical action is to be suspended, unless there is a grave reason to the contrary
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2° invalidly exercises any acts of governance which, in accordance with §1, n.3, are unlawful;
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3° is forbidden to benefit from privileges already granted;
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4° cannot validly assume any dignity, office or other function in the Church
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5° loses the title to the benefits of any dignity, office, function or pension held in the Church.
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You have just been made aware of heresy, that you are subscribing to it, the penalty involved, and the implications of the penalty of excommunication. You can no longer claim ignorance. You are morally obligated to retract, or desist from receiving the sacraments, especially the Eucharist if you persist in your heresy, otherwise risk sacrilege.
 
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