The Hail Mary Prayer

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Albert Kopsho:
The Bible condemns communication with the dead.
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Is Jesus condemned? cf. Mark 9:3, Matthew 17:3

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tee_eff_em said:
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Is Jesus condemned? cf. Mark 9:3, Matthew 17:3

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The Bible does condemn necromancy, but the Communion of Saints is not necromancy, as Mazar falsely believes, for the saints are alive. It is trying to conjure up the dead to ask them fortunes that is condemned.

Mazar fails to take into consideration that the Bible declares the role of pillar and foundation of truth to be the Church, not itself.

And yes, I still believe it’s Mazar.
 
tee eff em and maryprayforme,

The Bible states that there is only one mediator between God and man who interceedes to God on man’s behalf and that is Jesus not the Virgin Mary or the Saints.

Albert
 
Albert Kopsho:
porthos11,

Don’t the forum rules state that anybody whether they are Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant or Jewish can post on the forums? The forum rules also state that posters do not have to believe alike in order to post on the forums.

Albert
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Where in the Bible does it forbid that? Prove it! And no, just because you are listed in the prish membership does not automatically make you a Catholic. There are Sacraments involved along with an intensive Initiation process. I pray that you are not going up to Communion and receiving the Lord as you publicly denegrate his Blessed Mother.
 
Albert, are you a teenager? Going from forum to forum trying to stir up trouble sounds like a troubled teen to me.
 
Albert Kopsho:
Genesis315,

I have a problem with the second half of the Hail Mary Prayer because it is requesting that the Virgin Mary pray for us. Which is not possible because the Virgin Mary is dead and the Bible makes it to be undersdtood that the dead do not know what is going on on Earth.

Albert
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She’s dead? Then you deny that Christ conqured death and death no longer exists for the faithful?
 
Albert Kopsho:
tee eff em and maryprayforme,

The Bible states that there is only one mediator between God and man who interceedes to God on man’s behalf and that is Jesus not the Virgin Mary or the Saints.

Albert
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Wrong!!

The Bibles says there is only one Medaitor TO THE FATHER. Read it, it says the FATHER specifically!

But the Bible places no restrictions on how many mediators there can be to THE SON.

One’s parents, one’s pastor anyone, anyone at all who prays for you is a mediatior between you and the THE SON.
 
maryprayforme,

In 1 Timothy 2:5 it states that Jesus is the only mediator between God and man who intercedes to God on man’s behalf. It does not mention anything about the Virgin Mary or the Saints being intercessors. Jesus is God not the Virgin Mary or the Saints. If I was Baptized and raised Catholic and I attend Mass ever weekend and am on the membership roll of the local Catholic church then that means that I am a Catholic in the legal sense.

Albert
 
Brendan,

Christ conquered spiritual death not physical death.

Albert
 
Albert Kopsho:
maryprayforme,

In 1 Timothy 2:5 it states that Jesus is the only mediator between God and man who intercedes to God on man’s behalf. It does not mention anything about the Virgin Mary or the Saints being intercessors. Jesus is God not the Virgin Mary or the Saints. If I was Baptized and raised Catholic and I attend Mass ever weekend and am on the membership roll of the local Catholic church then that means that I am a Catholic in the legal sense.

Albert
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I think you better get your heretical behind in a catechism class! All the doctrine on the Blessed Virgin Mary (Assumption, intercession, Immaculate Conception, etc.), the Office of the Saints, AND the fact that Christ conquered all death (spiritual and physical) is part of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

And I am now questioning your standing as a Catholic. I think your purpose is to insight the members of this forum.
 
Don’t worry about it. The bloke is now an excommunicated heretic latae sententiae by his own doing. He is canonically not a Catholic in good standing. He has been warned of the penalty of excommunication latae sententiae and is no longer ignorant.

Lemme guess though, Mazar: “Porthos11, who are you to say I am not a Catholic in good standing… blah blah yak yak”
 
Just a little more info on Albert. . .

According to several other threads he is a 40 something who wants to marry a now 17 year old girl so that he can go on having children when he is 60 something.

He has indeed started several threads like this one. A thread that leaps to mind is the one he started saying that he only goes to communal reconciliation and will never go to individual confession again. . .and then argued and argued with posters who gave him the correct information on the sacrament of reconciliation and what is required, even to name-calling, etc.

This may be a baptized Catholic, even a weekly church going Catholic, but as we have been told in the Scriptures, …“not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but He who does the will of My Father in Heaven. . .”

Now, THERE’s some scripture for you to digest, sir.
 
Albert Kopsho:
Brendan,

Christ conquered spiritual death not physical death.

Albert
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Physical death is just a transition, The ‘who’ of a sanctified person never dies, therefore, Mary is not and cannot be dead.

If anything, the spirit, which IS ALIVE, is even more aware, as it had no boundries placed upon it by earthly ears.
 
Albert Kopsho:
maryprayforme,

In 1 Timothy 2:5 it states that Jesus is the only mediator between God and man who intercedes to God on man’s behalf.
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Albert,

Does 1 Tim 2:5 prohibit any intercession to Jesus?

Can another person pray to Christ for you, for your needs or intentions?
 
maryprayforme,

The doctrines of the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of the Vigin Mary may be in the Catechism but those doctrines did not come from the Bible. Where in the Bible are the doctrines of the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of the Virgin Mary mentioned? It is not a requirement for Catholics to pray the second half of the Hail Mary Prayer or to pray to the Saints or to invoke the intercession of the Saints.

Albert
 
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Marysgirl:
Albert, are you a teenager? Going from forum to forum trying to stir up trouble sounds like a troubled teen to me.
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Hey…

ANYWAY…
According to the Church, Albert, you are legally a heretic. Please see the previous posts. If you do not accept any teaching outside Scripture, you may as well be a Protestant.

Mary and the saints are very much alive, our God is a God of the living and not the dead.
 
RomanRiteTeen,

I am never going to become Protestant because I would not feel comfortable attending a church that does not have a liturgical worship service. Another reason that I am remaining Catholic is because I like to go to Saturday Vigil Mass so that I can do other things on Sunday like going to lunch and shopping. The Protestant Churches do not have Saturday Vigil Services. Where in the Bible are the doctrines of the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of the Virgin Mary mentioned?

Albert
 
Oh Albert, where in the Bible are Saturday Vigil services listed?

After all, if it isn’t in scripture, it can’t be “right”.
 
Albert Kopsho:
maryprayforme,

The doctrines of the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of the Vigin Mary may be in the Catechism but those doctrines did not come from the Bible. Where in the Bible are the doctrines of the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of the Virgin Mary mentioned? It is not a requirement for Catholics to pray the second half of the Hail Mary Prayer or to pray to the Saints or to invoke the intercession of the Saints.

Albert
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Christ founded a Church, not a book. Catholics may interpret the bible pretty much anyway they want as long as the interpretation does not contradict Church teaching. It seems your interpretation contradicts Church teaching.
 
The bible is the Truth, but not ALL Truth can be found in the bible.

What did the generations of followers of the apostles know of God and Christ BEFORE the New Testament books were compiled, debated, and decided on???

I’m going to say a prayer for Albert tonight…oops, unless that would make me a…a…mediator (da, da, DUM!!! Cue evil laughter) for him. Better not, I guess. Praying for one another must be sacrelige, according to Albert. And I shouldn’t ask him to pray for my ailing grandmother. His mediating prayers would be all for naught, I guess?

What a shame.
 
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