The Hail Mary Prayer

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jlw,

The Bible states that it is expected that everybody pray to God for each others well being. But that does not include the invoking of the Virgin Mary and the Saints to intercede on our behalf.

Albert
 
Albert; You already declare yourself a Protestant by believing in the false doctrine of Sola Sciptura.

Where in the Bible does it say the Scriptures are the only and final authority?

The Church calls you a heretic for publicly declaring no belief in a Church Dogma.

If you believe the Pope is Infallible, you believe his declarations on doctrine and morals to be Infallible; Thus the Immaculate Conception and Assumption can be proved by proving Papal Infallibility.

Matthew 16:13-20
13And Jesus came into the quarters of Cesarea Philippi: and he asked his disciples, saying: Whom do men say that the Son of man is?
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14But they said: Some John the Baptist, and other some Elias, and others Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
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15Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am?
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16Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God.
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17And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven.
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18And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
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19And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
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20Then he commanded his disciples, that they should tell no one that he was Jesus the Christ.
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The Church has bound the Assumption and Immaculate Conception as Dogma.
 
Re: Baptized Catholic Being Re-Baptized In Baptist Church
Question from M. P. Mazar on 03-15-2004:
If that baptized Catholic wants to convert to the Baptist Church, then there is nothing wrong with that. But that man should not be re-baptized in the Baptist Church. There is nothing heretical about the Protestant Churches, except the Jehovah Witness, Mormons and Christian Science. I am a Catholic and I think that the Protestant Churches are also true churches, except Jehovah Witness, Mormons and Chrstian Science.

Albert Kopsho
I do not believe that the Catholic Church is the only True Church. I consider the Protestant Churches to also be True Churches with the exception of the cults of Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Christian Science and other cults that deny the Holy Trinity and the Deity of Christ.
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Re: Tracts Question Of 4-1-04
Question from M. P. Mazar on 04-08-2004
I am a Catholic and I do not believe that salvation is received by Baptism. I still consider it ok to Baptize infants because I consider Baptism to be a dedication of infants to Jesus. I do not pray to the Virgin Mary or the Saints. I do not believe in Purgatory. I do not believe that the Pope is infallible. I do not believe that the Mass is a sacrifice. I do not believe in transubstantiation. I consider the Holy Eucharist to be just a symbol and memorial of the Last Supper. I still believe that there are 7 Sacraments. I do not believe that the Sacrament of Anointing of the Sick brings salvation. It is only to bring about healing.

Albert Kopsho
I do not pray to the Virgin Mary or the Saints. I do not believe that the Pope is infallible. I do not believe in Purgatory. I do not believe that the Mass is a sacrifice. I do not believe in transubstantiation. I consider the Holy Eucharist to be just like the Lutherans do and that is I believe in consubstantiation.
I do not believe that the Sacrament of Anointing of the Sick has anything to do with salvation. I do believe that the Sacrament of Anointing of the Sick is only to bring about healing. I still believe that there are 7 Sacraments but that the Sacraments have nothing to do with salvation. I still believe in First Holy Communion. I still believe in the Sacrament of Penance but in the form of Communal Reconciliation Service with general absolution. I still believe that the Sacrament of Confirmation is the impartation of the Holy Spirit. I still believe that Marriage is a Sacrament. I still believe in the Sacrament of Holy Orders. There is only one way to obtain salvation and that is by receiving Christ as personal savior.
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*porthos11,

I am Albert Kopsho I am not Mazar.

Albert*

BUSTED - you lie like a rug
 
rayne89 said:
porthos11,

I am Albert Kopsho I am not Mazar.

Albert

**BUSTED - **you lie like a rug
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Go figure, he broke another Commandment. I’m sure he’ll be in line to receive the Eucharist next Sunday though :nope:
 
[Albert Kopsho now addresses me, but does not address anything I have written (Why am I not surprised?). I have *much better things to do than to attempt dialogue with disingenuous persons who will not return the courtesy.]
Albert Kopsho:
tee eff em and maryprayforme,

The Bible states that there is only one mediator between God and man who interceedes to God on man’s behalf and that is Jesus not the Virgin Mary or the Saints.

Albert
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Albert Kopsho AKA Mazar wrote this:
Re: Tracts Question Of 4-1-04
Question from M. P. Mazar on 04-08-2004
I am a Catholic and I do not believe that salvation is received by Baptism. I still consider it ok to Baptize infants because I consider Baptism to be a dedication of infants to Jesus. I do not pray to the Virgin Mary or the Saints. I do not believe in Purgatory. I do not believe that the Pope is infallible. I do not believe that the Mass is a sacrifice. I do not believe in transubstantiation. I consider the Holy Eucharist to be just a symbol and memorial of the Last Supper. I still believe that there are 7 Sacraments. I do not believe that the Sacrament of Anointing of the Sick brings salvation. It is only to bring about healing. "
There are at lest 4 statements that you, Albert, wrote that causes you to be divorced or shunned by Holy Mother Church. You display a sevear misunderstanding of Church Dogma. Some posters have told you to get in a class of instruction of some sort. I also have read in your posts that you will NOT go to confession.

Buster, you are nailing the coffin lid shut. For you to have so many defiencies in Catholic Belief, I would consider that you have been infested be a demon. You will of course deny that, as all who are infested do. The first step is to STOP acting like PROTESTANT ( Sola Scriptura) and ask the Holy Spirit to open your eyes. You are treading on dangerous ground.
 
Albert Kopsho now addresses me, but does not address anything I have written (Why am I not surprised?). I have *much *
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better things to do than to attempt dialogue with disingenuous persons who will not return the courtesy

That’s why he’s best ignored. He was an annoyance on EWTN (the questions were put in bins, which had limits), never asking a question except “what’s wrong with that” and “who are you to yakkety-yak” and calling people idiots. He’s been duly educated and warned. It’s up to him now. But by ignoring him, we hope he’ll get sick of posting his tripe here.
 
Albert Kopsho:
maryprayforme,

The doctrines of the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of the Vigin Mary may be in the Catechism but those doctrines did not come from the Bible. Where in the Bible are the doctrines of the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of the Virgin Mary mentioned?

Albert
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Albert, Where exactly does it say in the Bible that all doctrines are found are to be found in the Bible?
 
Albert Kopsho:
JCPhoenix,

There is no place in the Bible that states that the Virgin Mary was concieved without sin and no place in the Bible does it mention the Assumption of the Virgin Mary. The Bible states that the Virgin Mary needed a savior. The Bible also states that there is only one mediator between God and Man and that is Jesus not the Virgin Mary. The Bible condemns communication with the dead. If I am on the membership roll of the local Catholic Church then that means that I am legally Catholic.

Albert
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There is no place in the Bible that states you can be a troll on an internet forum. So why don’t you start following the Bible and stop posting here. You’re not interested in discussing anything, you just want to make people angry.
Time to get this troll banned for life.
 
Is everyone using the “Report Bad Post” to let the moderator know?
 
Swiss Guard,

The Bible has nothing to do with discussion forums. Why should I be banned from the forum when I have not violated forum rules?

Albert
 
Albert Kopsho:
…If I am on the membership roll of the local Catholic Church then that means that I am legally Catholic.
Albert
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Nonsense. There is no such thing as being “legally” Catholic. I could be on the membership roll of the National Organization for Women but that wouldn’t legally make me a woman.

You are either in communion with the beliefs of the Catholic Church or you are not. If you are not, then you set yourself apart (excommunicate yourself) from the body of Christ (the Church, in case you forgot). You can be on the rolls of as many churches as you like.
 
OhioBob,

If I am on the membership roll of the local Catholic Church and I attend Mass every weekend then that means that I am a practicing Catholic.

Albert
 
Albert Kopsho:
OhioBob,

If I am on the membership roll of the local Catholic Church and I attend Mass every weekend then that means that I am a practicing Catholic.

Albert
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I can’t see how either of those two things would be proof one is a Catholic.
 
No, that means you go to the church. If you don’t actually practise what the church teaches, you are not a practising Catholic. You are choosing to go to the Catholic Church, but your beliefs and practises are purely Protestant.

You keep saying “the Bible doesn’t say this and the Bible doesn’t say that” As a Catholic, I’m sure you know the Church PRE DATES the Bible and many beliefs and practises of the Church came before the Bible. I beleive the Bible even says not all is written in the Bible. Which by the way was written by the Catholic Church.

But as a Catholic I’m sure you knew that.
 
Albert Kopsho:
OhioBob,

If I am on the membership roll of the local Catholic Church and I attend Mass every weekend then that means that I am a practicing Catholic.

Albert
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So am I, I’m on their member roll and I go to Mass everyweekend and Holy Days.

Does this make me a practising Catholic?

Not Yet My friend.

On Holy Saturday I will be Baptized, confirmed and receive the Holy Eucharist after I proclaim my faith to the Catholic Church.
 
Albert Kopsho:
OhioBob,

If I am on the membership roll of the local Catholic Church and I attend Mass every weekend then that means that I am a practicing Catholic.

Albert
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Albert, based upon the views expressed in your posts and their inconsistency with Catholic teaching, I think you need quite a bit more practice.

You can call yourself an asparagus if you want (even a practicing asparagus), but that doesn’t make it so.

If you don’t believe what the Church teaches, you are not in communion with the Catholic faith. Sorry to break it to you, buddy.

If you want to call yourself Catholic, knock yourself out. But if you really want to BE Catholic, you have quite a ways to go.

Good luck.
 
Hi Albert,

You said:

“I pray the Hail Mary Prayer but only the first part that comes from Bible “Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with you. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.”. I do not pray the second half “Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.”. I there anything wrong with just praying the first half of the Hail Mary Prayer?”

Albert

Genesis315,

”I have a problem with the second half of the Hail Mary Prayer because it is requesting that the Virgin Mary pray for us. Which is not possible because the Virgin Mary is dead and the Bible makes it to be undersdtood that the dead do not know what is going on on Earth.”

Albert

Why do you bother to pray the first half of the Hail Mary, which is a prayer to Mary, if the “dead do not know what is going on on Earth?”

Thanks,
Gene
 
Gene C.,

I pray the first half of the Hail Mary Prayer because the first half comes from Saint Luke 1:28 and it is not asking the Virgin Mary to pray for us but is just praising the Virgin Mary, which is totally acceptable.

Albert
 
mommy,

The difference is that I was Baptized and raised Catholic and I attend Mass every weekend, which means that I am a practicing Catholic. A practicing Catholic is a Baptized Catholic who attends Mass every weekend.

Albert
 
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