No, but I don’t believe Catholic Doctrine prohibites the use of nuclear weapons. But could you just forget that for a moment and bring yourself to condemn someone or something other than the US? We are far from perfect but there are much bigger monsters in the world.Bleeding heart?
Is that how you describe Catholic Doctrine?
Catholic theology does prohibit the intentional killing of civilians. SO, unless there is proof that this was only a strategic strike against a military installation, then it is an intrinsically evil act and not justified.No, but I don’t believe Catholic Doctrine prohibites the use of nuclear weapons. But could you just forget that for a moment and bring yourself to condemn someone or something other than the US? We are far from perfect but there are much bigger monsters in the world.
I can find several sources that condemn it, can you find one that allows in for the purpose of general destruction.No, but I don’t believe Catholic Doctrine prohibites the use of nuclear weapons. But could you just forget that for a moment and bring yourself to condemn someone or something other than the US? We are far from perfect but there are much bigger monsters in the world.
How does that possiable not apply ???2314 “Every act of war directed to the indiscriminate destruction of whole cities or vast areas with their inhabitants is a crime against God and man, which merits firm and unequivocal condemnation.” A danger of modern warfare is that it provides the opportunity to those who possess modern scientific weapons especially atomic, biological, or chemical weapons - to commit such crimes.
We did do a good Job of dehumanizing the Japanese didn’t we?
- A further reflection is called for. During the Second World War, in addition to conventional, chemical, biological and nuclear weapons, there was widespread use of another deadly instrument of war: propaganda. Before striking the enemy with weapons aimed at his physical destruction, efforts were made to annihilate him morally by defamation, false accusations and the inculcation of an irrational intolerance, by means of a thorough programme of indoctrination, directed especially to the young. It is in fact characteristic of all totalitarian regimes to create an enormous propaganda machine in order to justify their own crimes and to provoke ideological intolerance and racial violence against those who do not deserve - it is claimed - to be considered an integral part of the community. How distant all this is from an authentic culture of peace! Such a culture presupposes a recognition of the intrinsic link between truth and love. The culture of peace is built by rejecting at the outset every sort of racism and intolerance, by withstanding racist propaganda, by keeping economic and political ambition within due limits and by decisively rejecting violence and all forms of exploitation.
I guess you havent studied History enough, Detention camps were were set up for US Citizens of german descent in Kansas and Southern Texas. In fact numerous US citizens of german desect were forcibly “traded” for US Citizens who found themselves in Gemany at the Start of the war…We did do a good Job of dehumanizing the Japanese didn’t we?
I don’t recall the Camps being set up for German-Americans or Italian-Americans, or them losing their businesses, their homes. I guess Japanese-Americans were a bigger risk. I am glad we made the right choice and locked them up. Of course we did trust them enough to fight for us, we gave Japanese-Americans weapons and put them on the battlefield.
Still can’t bring yourself to condemn the Japanese though can you?I can find several sources that condemn it, can you find one that allows in for the purpose of general destruction.
For Example
CCC
How does that possiable not apply ???
John Paul II
We did do a good Job of dehumanizing the Japanese didn’t we?
I don’t recall the Camps being set up for German-Americans or Italian-Americans, or them losing their businesses, their homes. I guess Japanese-Americans were a bigger risk. I am glad we made the right choice and locked them up. Of course we did trust them enough to fight for us, we gave Japanese-Americans weapons and put them on the battlefield.
He should read the book “Flyboys”Still can’t bring yourself to condemn the Japanese though can you?
Are the Japanese a single entity?Still can’t bring yourself to condemn the Japanese though can you?
15,000 German-Americans in internment camps, out of 300,000 registered as enemy agentsI guess you havent studied History enough, Detention camps were were set up for US Citizens of german descent in Kansas and Southern Texas. In fact numerous US citizens of german desect were forcibly “traded” for US Citizens who found themselves in Gemany at the Start of the war…
you said :15,000 German-Americans in internment camps, out of 300,000 registered as enemy agents
120,000 Japanese-Americans in internment camps. (2/3 were U.S. citizens)
That was not correct, was it?"I don’t recall the Camps being set up for German-Americans or Italian-Americans, or them losing their businesses, their homes. I guess Japanese-Americans were a bigger risk. "
A rather weak condemnation but better than none.Are the Japanese a single entity?
I do not condemn “The Japanese”
I do condemn a Weak Emperor, and a “evil” aggressive military leadership, with a mix of good and bad solders, many of whom who were doing what they thought was right. I cannot blame an entire race for the actions of their leaders.
Why else would I have included the numbers?you said :
That was not correct, was it?
What does that have to do with the subject??A rather weak condemnation but better than none.
Did they believe they were doing the right thing on the Batan Death March, in The Rape of Nanking, a sneak attack on a Sunday morning when they knew we would not be ready, in the starving of American POWs. Where were the disenters when they invaded China and souteast Asia? Did only the upper class know of the forced labor camps, the forcing of Korean women to become ‘Pleasure Girls’? Did none of the ordinary soldiers partake of these women?
The WWII Japanese military was a brutal, cruel war machine and many if not most of its regular members knew exactly what they were doing.
The only reason I know about it because I went to School in Kansas with some kids who’s parents got sent to the camps. Made is very personal to me-as having my father waitng off the Coast of japan in 1945 waiting to invade give me a different perspective on this than you have,Why else would I have included the numbers?
At my age my memory sometimes fails me.
those were a very small percentage of the German-American population.
I was just pointing out the flaw in your post of: “I do condemn a Weak Emperor, and a “evil” aggressive military leadership, with a mix of good and bad solders, many of whom who were doing what they thought was right. I cannot blame an entire race for the actions of their leaders.”What does that have to do with the subject??
Yes there is.There is no Catholic command to win wars.
If the bomb did what it did when tested, he knew exactly what the results would be. (Perhaps not the exact results to the cities but lots of deaths, mostly civilian)Ghosty: Any modern Catholic who advocates the decision of Truman is violating an Ecumenical Council. Period. “Gaudium et Spes” is very explicit on this matter.
Ani: Please give the date of the Truman decision and then give the date of Gaudium et Spes. You will find that the Truman decision predates G&S by a couple of decades.
Secondly – as I have already pointed out – the ability and knowledge available to Truman was by far inferior to the ability and knowledge available to Americans at the height of the Cold War. You cannot condemn someone for something over which that person has limited control and limited knowledge.
Ghosty: Say whatever you will about “tough decisions”, the fact is that modern Catholics simply can not support such a decision in good Faith.
Ani: Were the Catholics of the Truman era modern Catholics? No. Therefore your claim is equivocal. Modern Catholics cannot support a decision to indiscriminately destroy whole cities. However, Truman’s decision was not to destroy whole cities. Moreover, whole cities were not destroyed as a result of Truman’s decision. And ultimately Truman did not have the benefit of modern Catholic thought.
Ghosty: Truman may or may not be excused before God for what he chose, for whatever numerous factors, but the fact remains that the act of indiscriminate destruction of cities is a*** crime against God meriting unequivocal condemnation***.
Ani: So how many times do I have to point out the following? Your claim is a false analogy: apples and oranges.
The object of the act of nuking H&N was
not to indiscriminately destroy whole cities.
Nor was it to indiscriminately destroy civilian populations.
The object of the act of nuking H&N was
to end the war before the following winter, proximately by disabling the Japanese military machine.
Ghosty:That ruling has more weight than the Catechism, or any particular non-infallible Papal proclaimation.
Ani: Relevance to the Truman decision?
Note: Civilian deaths did factor into the Truman decision. However, collateral damage was a remote aim not a proximate aim.
Remoteness cannot change a morally licit act into a morally illicit act. Remoteness can reduce the goodness of a morally licit act, but it cannot change the nature of an act from a morally licit act into a morally illicit act.
If you had read my explanation of the application of the Principle of Double Effect and if you had responded to the points therein, you would know this.
You have yet to back up any opinion using any Catholic documents.Yes there is.