The High Preists and Pilate

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Hi, last night we watched the film Passion of the Christ by Mel Gibson at my church. And the High Preists caught Jesus and wanted to execute him. They then took Jesus before the Romans and then Herod trying to attain a death sentence. Why couldn’t they kill Jesus on thier own or by secret assassination? Also, there is a giant fissure that opens in the temple at Jesus’s death. Has this been sensationalized? Also what does “Pontius Pilate” mean? Thank you god bless!
 
Hi, last night we watched the film Passion of the Christ by Mel Gibson at my church. And the High Preists caught Jesus and wanted to execute him. They then took Jesus before the Romans and then Herod trying to attain a death sentence. Why couldn’t they kill Jesus on thier own or by secret assassination? Also, there is a giant fissure that opens in the temple at Jesus’s death. Has this been sensationalized? Also what does “Pontius Pilate” mean? Thank you god bless!
The Jews were occupied by the Romans and therefore had no right to execute anyone.

John 18:

29 Pilate therefore went out to them, and said: What accusation bring you against this man?

30 They answered, and said to him: If he were not a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up to thee.

31 Pilate therefore said to them: Take him you, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said to him: It is not lawful for us to put any man to death;

To murder Jesus on their own would have put the Jews in violation of Roman law.

There was a great earthquake at the moment of Jesus’ death, and the temple veil was split in two, symbolizing the ending of the Old Covenant with Israel.

Matthew 27:

50 And Jesus again crying with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

51 And behold the veil of the temple was rent in two from the top even to the bottom, and the earth quaked, and the rocks were rent.

Pontius is the Roman title for Pilate.

The passion of the Christ is a great movie. I watch it every year and am always amazed at how it affects me. And as gruesome as it is, it does not begin the match the true suffering of our Lord.
 
Brooklyn gave excellent answers.

The Passion of the Christ is, to my knowledge, a very biblically accurate movie! There are some things not directly related in the Gospel (Satan mirroring Our Lady, Our Lord stepping on the serpent’s skull) but these are still more mystically biblically based and certainly don’t contradict the Gospel accounts.
 
Brooklyn gave excellent answers.

The Passion of the Christ is, to my knowledge, a very biblically accurate movie! There are some things not directly related in the Gospel (Satan mirroring Our Lady, Our Lord stepping on the serpent’s skull) but these are still more mystically biblically based and certainly don’t contradict the Gospel accounts.
The first time I saw “Passion,” I was put off by the artistic freedom that Gibson took in the movie. I especially didn’t like the sequence with Judas and the demon children. But now that I’ve seen it a few times, I appreciate those things more because I think it shows that we are much more surrounded by and influenced by evil than we think we are. I was particularly affected by the one tear that falls from heaven at the death of Christ and starts the earthquake that the OP mentioned. I thought that was extremely effective. And I love the agony of Satan when he realizes that he is the one who was defeated by God just at the very point when he thought he had won. Brilliant.

I still don’t understand why Gibson has Christ crushing the head of the serpent, when the Bible plainly says that Mary crushes the serpent’s head. But that doesn’t take away from the greatness of this film. It is truly amazing.
 
I still don’t understand why Gibson has Christ crushing the head of the serpent, when the Bible plainly says that Mary crushes the serpent’s head. But that doesn’t take away from the greatness of this film. It is truly amazing.
It can be interpreted either way in Genesis. The gender is not so clear, so it could refer to Our Lady, or Eve’s “seed” (Our Lord). Really it’s both, since Our Lord is ultimately the One, but can/does do all things in grace through Our Lady.
 
It can be interpreted either way in Genesis. The gender is not so clear, so it could refer to Our Lady, or Eve’s “seed” (Our Lord). Really it’s both, since Our Lord is ultimately the One, but can/does do all things in grace through Our Lady.
I looked up the verse in Gensis 2, and it plainly says:

15 I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.

As I understand Church teaching, Mary is the one who crushes Satan because of her “yes” to the Angel Gabriel and the Holy Spirit. And this is especially galling to Satan because he thought he had defeated God by deceiving a woman, mother Eve. Then God uses another woman, the Blessed Mother, to defeat him. Certainly it was Christ’s sacrifice that ultimately defeated Satan, but it all started with Mary’s “yes.”

God does have a wonderful sense of irony.
 
I looked up the verse in Gensis 2, and it plainly says:

15 I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.

As I understand Church teaching, Mary is the one who crushes Satan because of her “yes” to the Angel Gabriel and the Holy Spirit. And this is especially galling to Satan because he thought he had defeated God by deceiving a woman, mother Eve. Then God uses another woman, the Blessed Mother, to defeat him. Certainly it was Christ’s sacrifice that ultimately defeated Satan, but it all started with Mary’s “yes.”

God does have a wonderful sense of irony.
Yes but did you look up the Hebrew, the Septuagint, and what the Fathers said about it? 😃

English translators have to make a choice, but even in translations sometimes footnotes will indicate that there is a complexity.

There’s disagreement about “his” vs “her” but all Catholics can agree it’s the same thing because Our Lord does everything through Our Lady, nothing she does is of her own by her nature and everything He does is through her by His Grace.
 
Yes but did you look up the Hebrew, the Septuagint, and what the Fathers said about it? 😃

English translators have to make a choice, but even in translations sometimes footnotes will indicate that there is a complexity.

There’s disagreement about “his” vs “her” but all Catholics can agree it’s the same thing because Our Lord does everything through Our Lady, nothing she does is of her own by her nature and everything He does is through her by His Grace.
You got me on that one. I only read the English.

But you’re right. If Mary crushed the head of the serpent, she did it through Her Son, and if Christ was the one who crushed Satan’s head, He did it through her.

But I still like to think that our Lord used a woman to crush Satan when he thought he had used the first woman to defeat God. It is a delicious irony!
 
Hi, last night we watched the film Passion of the Christ by Mel Gibson at my church. And the High Preists caught Jesus and wanted to execute him. They then took Jesus before the Romans and then Herod trying to attain a death sentence. Why couldn’t they kill Jesus on thier own or by secret assassination?
From a post of mine:

The Romans found that ruling indirectly and remotely, that is, using the loyal native rulers and leaders as proxies and considering them the responsible officials for a given area to be an effective form of government. It mostly contented itself with the collection of tribute and the maintenance of stable borders; for the most part it even left these tasks at the hands of these men.

In the Galilee, the tetrarch Herod Antipas was pretty much independent. Rome had the final say on crucial matters but he was more or less free to run the kingdom as he wished. He fulfilled the main conditions by keeping order, paying tribute and cooperating with Rome, and in return Rome gave him protection against implied threat of retaliation against invaders. The troops and the taxes were his, district governors were his appointees, and local rulers served at his pleasure. Judaea, meanwhile, was put under the rule of a Roman prefect since AD 6, but its prefect mostly limited himself by visiting places such as Jerusalem during pilgrimage festivals to prevent potential unrest: for the rest of the year he and most of his troops stayed in the capital of Caesarea Maritima with other gentiles, away from the eyes of Jews.

The prefect left daily management of internal affairs, as well as (to some degree) his main duties like maintaining of domestic peace and the collection of tribute, in the hands of people like the high priest in Jerusalem, who had informal councillors and a small formal council. Hence, if people wanted to deal with Rome, they went to the high priest. If Rome wanted to communicate with the people, the prefect summoned the high priest. If anything went wrong, the high priest held full responsibility. But he was only the first among equals: responsibility to prevent trouble fell, to some degree, on all the leading citizens. In short: Rome’s rule over Judaea at our period was rather ‘indirect’: it governed through client (puppet) kings or resident governors, who in turn, utilized local aristocrats and magistrates down the food chain.

Now Caiaphas and Pilate does have some reason to be concerned: Jesus had a following (maybe not too large but a following nevertheless), He talked about the Kingdom of God within the Empire of Caesar, He had taken physical action in the Temple. Coupled with the fact that He is not a madman and is perfectly acting of His own accord makes Jesus loads more dangerous. In a season such as Passover (when millions of people from all over the known world come to the city to celebrate Israelite release from Egyptian bondage), a guy like Jesus was the last person you’d want showing up on your doorstep. Here you have the responsibility to keep the peace and quell anything that smacked of a disturbance to the status quo, then comes an obscure Galilean prophet bringing His followers and symphatizers with Him, teaching potentially inflammatory material (and staging what looks like public demonstrations to boot!).

Even the locals seem to be drawn to His teachings, which is not a good sign: the mere fact that people gather before this Man would have set off the warning signals. If the high priest did not preserve order, the prefect would intervene militarily, and the situation might get out of hand. As long as the Temple guards, acting as the police, carried out arrests, and as long as the high priest was involved in judging cases (though he did not execute anyone), there was little possibility of a direct clash between the Jews and the Romans.

The crowds were responsible for Jesus’ death, but not in the way many people think. It was precisely because they supported Him that the authorities feared Him and wanted to get rid of Him to maintain public order.
Also, there is a giant fissure that opens in the temple at Jesus’s death. Has this been sensationalized?
That was a (IMHO rather overblown) portrayal of the Temple veil being torn in two.
Also what does “Pontius Pilate” mean? Thank you god bless!
It’s a name. 😉
 
In the time of Pontuis Pilate, the Romans had the convention of using 4 names:

Eg.: 1. Marcus 2.*Valerius *3.*Messalla *4.Messallinus
  1. Praenomen (given name from parents)
  2. Nomen (Family/Tribe name)
  3. Cognomen (Nickname from traits)
  4. Agnomen (secondary nickname)
It seems that we know Pontius Pilate only by his Nomen (Pontios) and his Cognomen (Pilatos)

The family name Pontios means “Of the Sea”
The nickname Pilatos means “Skilled with the Javelin”

So Pontius Pilate roughly means: “The one who is skilled with the Javelin from the Tribe of the Sea.”
 
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