The Hip Hop Mass

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We Catholics don’t have this (yet?), but its sort of interesting how the Episcopal Church is reaching out to the hip hop community. I wonder if this could ever be part of the Anglican Use Liturgy.

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(22nd) Psalm
(Adapted by Ryan Kearse)
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The Lord is all that, I need for nothing.
He allows me to chill.
He keeps me from being heated
and allows me to breathe easy.
He guides my life so that
I can represent and give
shouts out in his Name.
And even though I walk through
the Hood of death,
I don’t back down
for you have my back.
The fact that you have me covered
allows me to chill.
He provides me with back-up
in front of my player-haters
and I know that I am a baller
and life will be phat.
I fall back in the Lord’s crib
for the rest of my life.
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Kielbasi:
We Catholics don’t have this (yet?), but its sort of interesting how the Episcopal Church is reaching out to the hip hop community. I wonder if this could ever be part of the Anglican Use Liturgy.

hiphopemass.org/
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Hmmm…

Maybe Catholics could develop a Def-Jam rite, with its own Patriarchate in the Bronx.

St. Fifty-Cent, anyone?🙂
 
The Episcopal church also has clown masses. The celebrants dress as clowns and consecrate the elements with noise makers and whistles. The music is circus music. I saw the video and it made me sick! No wonder they are in-fighting and church splitting. Not to mention Gay Bishops:eek: :bigyikes:
 
My opinion: The hip-hop culture is quickly decaying whatever is left of America’s moral fabric. As a high school teacher, I can tell you from first hand experience that the defacto immorality and materialism of the hip-hop culture is now reaching far beyond the black culture and is the prevailing culture in all urban and suburban high schools. It’s sickening.

-Michael
 
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SouthCoast:
My opinion: The hip-hop culture is quickly decaying whatever is left of America’s moral fabric. As a high school teacher, I can tell you from first hand experience that the defacto immorality and materialism of the hip-hop culture is now reaching far beyond the black culture and is the prevailing culture in all urban and suburban high schools. It’s sickening.

-Michael
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Hip Hop’s dying… it’s not as ‘cool’ as it was 5 years ago.
 
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SouthCoast:
My opinion: The hip-hop culture is quickly decaying whatever is left of America’s moral fabric. As a high school teacher, I can tell you from first hand experience that the defacto immorality and materialism of the hip-hop culture is now reaching far beyond the black culture and is the prevailing culture in all urban and suburban high schools. It’s sickening.

-Michael
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You do know the difference between mike jones and sage francis i hope?
 
" the defacto immorality and materialism " of Hip-Hop is *not *what hip-hop is supposed to be about. But let money get involved it always ruins a good thing. Mr high school teacher, you should fully understand what your talking about before you make such comments though.

Hip-Hop was simply a way of ghetto youths from the south bronx expressing themselves in the 70’s. Ultimately it spread around new york. It, like nowadays gangs, originally came with rules. It wasn’t the cash cow it is. It was just a subculture of New York. It helped bring the community together. It was a positive thing to do for poor people. Then rap music finally started getting record deals. Making money, but it was still controlled by the streets. Now it’s controlled by the money and the record companies. It doesn’t have the community support like it used to. The values have changed. It’s simply a way for drug dealers to launder their money and futher advertise themselves and their product. Which is WHY so much of what you hear is decadent self-indulgent materialistic hateful arrogant self-destructive violent b.s. When you’ve got lots of coke money you can pick who’s studio time you pay for, what dj’s you can pay off, what clubs you can pay off, and what radio stations you can pay off, and ultimately pay for your own record label to bring the product to the market. It’s no longer controlled by the same people. Yet rather than take it back, the people who “loved” it so much just give it up.

Did you know gangs such as crips and bloods were originally supposed to be organizations to help the community. To help bring unity, knowledge of self, and growth to the community.

CRIP = C)ommunity R)evolution I)n P)rogress
BLOOD = B)rotherly L)ove O)ver O)ther D)enominations

What happened though. Well, they needed some way to fund these organizations. Drug money. The leaders changed. The message change. F’d up the whole neighborhood. It was supposed to be something good.

Just the flaws of man.

There’s only one way…Christ.

oh and by the way, Sage Francis ain’t hip-hop, he deserves no credit. Cause it ain’t hip-hop if it don’t rhyme right.

I produce records (make beats, studio work) and was working with this 19 year old rapper. I’m like, “Man, I just picked up EPMD strictly business. Had to take it back to the good ol’ days” he acted like he didn’t even know who they were.

Yet I drop verses that make people from the south bronx stop and think. Without using none of that.

That hip-hop mass thing is pretty…umm…well… condescending and just plain stupid if you ask me. Mass is mass. Keep it the way it is. I’m not saying Jesus couldn’t bless a microphone, but…I’m done.
 
The Hip-Hop Mass… I’m at a loss.

I posted a reply in the “Once saved, always saved” thread and one thing I mentioned there was this…

Nowhere in the Word of God does it say that we are to set aside the things of God so that we can fit into society. We are directed to “come out from them, and be ye seperate, saith the Lord” (2 Corinthians 6:17).

I appreciate the history / background of hip-hop. I don’t appreciate what it represents and stands for now. Irregardless of what it’s original intent was, was is it now? God did the same in the state of the nation of Israel. when He delivered His Son Jesus. But what He didn’t do, was change what or who He was to reach the lost.

Jesus never told people what they wanted to hear, He told them what they needed to hear… whether they agreed with it or not. It’s not the presentation, it’s what’s presented.

The unfortunate aspect of utilizing modern methodology (not technology) to reach the lost (i.e. hip-hop, metal, alternative, etc), is that once the lost realize what’s being presented, the vast majority turn and run. Why? 1 Corinthian 1:17-19 says it best…

17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void.
( Paul is saying that he is to preach the Gospel, not in some clever way (even though he was known for not speaking eloquently) so that the cross would not be made void by his own methods. )

18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
( Those that are dead in trangression, the Word of God is foolishness to them, but the power of God to His children. The majority will ignore the message. The Word of God is not to be “pimped” to sell it in the worlds manner.)

19 For it is written, “I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE, AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE.”
(God tells us that our cute and wonderful methods of doing things that are contrary to His ideal way will be exposed and shown to be that what they truely are…ridiculous. For He’s going to set them aside. Why does one set things aside? Because they’re not needed, wanted or important. Why are things destroyed? I think you get the picture.)

To revise the Word of God to fit the “lingo of society” is one thing, to misrepresent it’s meaning is quite another.

In Christ,
Scotchamoe
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Kielbasi:
We Catholics don’t have this (yet?), but its sort of interesting how the Episcopal Church is reaching out to the hip hop community. I wonder if this could ever be part of the Anglican Use Liturgy.

hiphopemass.org/
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Why do we want to turn Catholicsm into a “Made in America” religion? If people want hip-hop or entertainment, they can go to the many non-denominational churches that cater to the sizzle rather than the steak mindset.
 
Peace be with you!

SouthCoast,
Hip-hop is not the **** you hear on the radio. Real hip-hop is put out by artists like Common, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, ect. Common made an anti-abortion song with Lauryn Hill and a song about religious toleration. He also has made quite a few love songs (actual love songs, not the “I wanna ---- you, girl” that you hear on the radio and MTV). On the inside cover of one of his albums he has Cor. 12:12 printed. Let me quote to you what appears on his album “One Day It’ll All Make Sense” in the section where he thanks people: “To the Almighty God, father of the heavens and earth, the beneficient, the merciful, I humbly come before you thanking you for each day, each person, each word, each struggle, I know you speak through me! I know you have blessed me, and I just asked that you continue to bless me so that I may grow in faith and in style and utilize my gift to glorify you and do right by you.” This is representive of what appears in each of his albums.

Talib Kweli made a song called “Joy” about how much he loves his wife and children, and Mos Def was in the song with him. In the chorus Talib Kweli is talking about how excited he was when he found out his wife had gone into labor, at which point Mos Def comes in, “I know how you feel, Kweli, I know how you feel!”

Recently rapper/actor Nick Cannon has come out with a song called “Can I Live” and it is anti-abortion. The video is even being played on MTV and BET. Everyone please check out this video…it’s great! nickcannonmusic.com/index_main.html

Real hip-hop is not bad. These rappers are not in it for the money; for them it is all about coming up with creative rhymes schemes, wordplay, metaphors, meaningful lyrics, ect.

In Christ,
Rand
 
Rand Al'Thor:
Peace be with you!

SouthCoast,
Hip-hop is not the **** you hear on the radio. Real hip-hop is put out by artists like Common, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, ect. Common made an anti-abortion song with Lauryn Hill and a song about religious toleration. He also has made quite a few love songs (actual love songs, not the “I wanna ---- you, girl” that you hear on the radio and MTV). On the inside cover of one of his albums he has Cor. 12:12 printed. Let me quote to you what appears on his album “One Day It’ll All Make Sense” in the section where he thanks people: “To the Almighty God, father of the heavens and earth, the beneficient, the merciful, I humbly come before you thanking you for each day, each person, each word, each struggle, I know you speak through me! I know you have blessed me, and I just asked that you continue to bless me so that I may grow in faith and in style and utilize my gift to glorify you and do right by you.” This is representive of what appears in each of his albums.

Talib Kweli made a song called “Joy” about how much he loves his wife and children, and Mos Def was in the song with him. In the chorus Talib Kweli is talking about how excited he was when he found out his wife had gone into labor, at which point Mos Def comes in, “I know how you feel, Kweli, I know how you feel!”

Recently rapper/actor Nick Cannon has come out with a song called “Can I Live” and it is anti-abortion. The video is even being played on MTV and BET. Everyone please check out this video…it’s great! nickcannonmusic.com/index_main.html

Real hip-hop is not bad. These rappers are not in it for the money; for them it is all about coming up with creative rhymes schemes, wordplay, metaphors, meaningful lyrics, ect.

In Christ,
Rand
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Still, why do we feel the need to Americanize the Mass? I do remember the fuss when folk Masses were discussed and realized some popularity in the 60’s and 70’s, and the folk Masses were even held in gymnasiums and cafeterias rather than the church itself (as if the folk Mass was banned from the sanctity of the church lest it violate the church’s holiness).
 
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jim1130:
Still, why do we feel the need to Americanize the Mass? I do remember the fuss when folk Masses were discussed and realized some popularity in the 60’s and 70’s, and the folk Masses were even held in gymnasiums and cafeterias rather than the church itself (as if the folk Mass was banned from the sanctity of the church lest it violate the church’s holiness).
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Peace be with you!

Sorry if you misunderstood…I don’t think this has any place in the Mass! I was just addressing the post about the “hip-hop culture” in general. I agree that we shouldn’t be Americanizing the Mass anymore than it already is in some places.

In Christ,
Rand
 
I don’t think it’s appropriate to change Biblical scripture to conform with fads and trends.
 
A hip-hop Mass is a bad idea. Let’s hope the Church avoids this like the plague. She bought into the idea of “relevancy” after the Council (I would never criticize VII, this is more the “Spirit of Vatican II”) and we’ve gotten stuck with weak, bland, banal folk music for near 40 years. The Church in Her nature isn’t designed or intended to follow trends, and when She does (ie, the folk music), She finds that She’s been left in the dust, fashion-wise, because trends change overnight. You cannot turn an aircraft carrier on a dime and the Church shouldn’t try to do so either.
 
In my opinion, this is absolutely ridiculous. If this becomes widespread I will NOT be happy. I understand the need to reach out to a community of individuals, however, I do not feel that this is the appropriate way to do it. First of all, many of these slangs that are used will have different meanings in a few years. I seriously wonder sometimes if anything is sacred anymore. Thomas Cramner must be rolling in his grave!!!

One thing that really bothers me though is the way the versions sound. Reading it, it sounds like it’s a mockery of urban culture.

I will say to one of the posters that responded about the clown Mass that in my experience that is NOT typical of the Episcopal Church. Except for that one event I cannot recall ever hearing about one taking place, and I’ve certainly never seen one. I saw the video for that too, and I was completely disgusted with what happened. Similarly, the hip hop Mass is not typical and I don’t think it will become typical either. I just find the way it’s written to be very condescending to scripture. If it was just a changed style of music it could be argued (although maybe very poorly) that it was a necessary innovation. However, I am very much against something that changes scripture only to satisfy a current trend. I just wonder, at what costs are we willing to sacrifice Liturgy and scripture to reach out to one trend?
 
Wow. I don’t know if I should laugh or cry.

I did laugh. But it is that worried nervous laugh I guess.
 
NathanCarson said:
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oh and by the way, Sage Francis ain’t hip-hop, he deserves no credit. Cause it ain’t hip-hop if it don’t rhyme right.

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What are you talking about sage is the illest in the came. Have you heard the non prophets lp : “Wipe the floor/with your psychie some more/ and fight the war/with michael moore/in a nike store.”
It doesnt get any better. He isnt the best but dude’s got skills
 
I have a student who, whenever he comes up with a “bad idea,” always finishes by saying, "Now, before you say, ‘no,’ say, ‘yes.’ "

In that spirit: “Yes.” On second thought… “NO!”
 
Mike Wrote:

"My opinion: The hip-hop culture is quickly decaying whatever is left of America’s moral fabric. As a high school teacher, I can tell you from first hand experience that the defacto immorality and materialism of the hip-hop culture is now reaching far beyond the black culture and is the prevailing culture in all urban and suburban high schools. It’s sickening.

-Michael"

As a MIDDLE SCHOOL TEACHER… I totally agree! It truly is sickening. It is materialism to the EXRTREME… and that is not the worst part.

Also, I can’t believe someone would want a “hip hop” Mass. Why not an old school Punk Mass. The priest could blow snot out his nose… when we come up to receive communion we can spit on him. Pogo down the isle. Instead of peace be with you… we can offer “the bird.”

And this is coming from a former punk! (early 80’s NoCal punk)
 
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