The holy priesthood can marry

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Timothy Chapter 3 gives orders to those that are planning on overseeing the church body, and in those instructions an overseer or deacon are allowed to be married or have children.

So whats up with most Catholics following the man-made doctrine?
 
Deacons can marry. Where do you get that they can’t?

And do return to the “idols” thread, it’s most interesting. Posting and running is not considered good forum manners.
 
FollowTheWay said:
Timothy Chapter 3 gives orders to those that are planning on overseeing the church body, and in those instructions an overseer or deacon are allowed to be married or have children.

So whats up with most Catholics following the man-made doctrine?
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It is not a doctrine of the church that priests may not marry:)
 
First Epistle Of Saint Paul To Timothy
Chapter 3
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1 A faithful saying: if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 It behoveth therefore a bishop to be blameless, the husband of one wife, sober, prudent, of good behaviour, chaste, given to hospitality, a teacher, 3 Not given to wine, no striker, but modest, not quarrelsome, not covetous, but 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all chastity. 5 But if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?

*2 “Of one wife”… The meaning is not that every bishop should have a wife (for St. Paul himself had none), but that no one should be admitted to the holy orders of bishop, priest, or deacon, who had been married more than once. *

6 Not a neophyte: lest being puffed up with pride, he fall into the judgment of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony of them who are without: lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. 8 Deacons in like manner chaste, not double tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre: 9 Holding the mystery of faith in a pure conscience. 10 And let these also first be proved: and so let them minister, having no crime.

*6 “A neophyte”… That is, one lately baptized, a young convert. *

11 The women in like manner chaste, not slanderers, but sober, faithful in all things. 12 Let deacons be the husbands of one wife: who rule well their children, and their own houses. 13 For they that have ministered well, shall purchase to themselves a good degree, and much confidence in the faith which is in Christ Jesus. 14 These things I write to thee, hoping that I shall come to thee shortly. 15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

*15 “The pillar and ground of the truth”… Therefore the church of the living God can never uphold error, nor bring in corruptions, superstition, or idolatry. *

16 And evidently great is the mystery of godliness, which was manifested in the flesh, was justified in the spirit, appeared unto angels, hath been preached unto the Gentiles, is believed in the world, is taken up in glory.

So… we see here that priests can be previously married before becoming priest, but cannot marry, or be currently married, while they are a priest (pastoral privilage aside).
Deacons can marry before becoming deacons, but cannot marry after ordination should their wife, tragically, pass away.
Seems straight forward to me…
 
Deacons and Overseeers (what you call a bishop)

I did not post and run I only simply did what the bible asks of me, did you see how many posts I would have to respond to 80+
 
You asked why we are following a doctrine that says priests may not marry… And the answer is, no such doctrine exists.
 
FollowTheWay said:
Deacons and Overseeers (what you call a bishop)

I did not post and run I only simply did what the bible asks of me, did you see how many posts I would have to respond to 80+
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sorry- haven’t seen you over on your worshipping statues thread.
 
Where is clerical celibacy in the Bible?
from How To Argue For Priestly Celibacy

Biblical evidence for the discipline of celibacy can be found in both the Old and the New Testaments. In the Old, Jeremiah was forbidden by God to take a wife in order to enable him to fulfill his ministry better. “The word of the Lord came to me: ‘You shall not take a wife, nor shall you have sons or daughters in this place’” (Jer. 16:1-2).

Also in the Old Testament, God asked even married couples to practice celibacy on certain occasions. For example, Moses asked the Israelites to abstain from marital intimacy while he ascended Mount Sinai (Ex. 20:15), and Jewish tradition attests that he remained celibate for life following the command of Exodus 9:15 and Deuteronomy 5:28. The Lord also asked that the priests refrain from sexual relations with their wives during their time of service in the temple. In yet another example, the priests ordered King David and his people to abstain from marital relations on the occasion of eating the holy bread (1 Sam. 21:4).

In all these instances, there is a theme of abstaining from marital relations due to the presence of something very holy. It is not that the marital act is sinful, but that when one is in such proximity to God, it is right to offer him an undivided mind, heart, and body. If it was fitting under the Old Covenant to serve the temple, to approach God, and receive the holy bread with a consecrated body, it is no surprise that permanent celibacy is fitting for a Roman Catholic priest, since his priestly service is continual.

In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus states, “Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it” (19:12 NAB). This is an invitation from Christ to live as he did, and there can be nothing unacceptable in that.

Paul recognized the wisdom in this, and encouraged celibacy in order to free a man to be anxious about the things of the Lord and to serve him undividedly (1 Cor 7:8,32-35). In his words, “To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I do. . . . I want you to be free from anxieties. The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided. And the unmarried woman or girl is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit; but the married woman is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please her husband. I say this for your own benefit, not to lay any restraint upon you, but to promote good order and to secure your undivided devotion to the Lord. . . . he who marries his betrothed does well; and he who refrains from marriage will do better” (1 Cor. 7:8, 32-35, 38).
 
Then obviously you dont remember the seven sacraments (which according to catholic doctrine is the only way to heaven) In the seven sacraments you only choose marriage or holy orders. How many married priests have you met? In fact woman was created for man for them to be joined as one, so why can a woman(nun) not marry either. After all the first command given to us was be fruitful and multiply.
 
FollowTheWay said:
Timothy Chapter 3 gives orders to those that are planning on overseeing the church body, and in those instructions an overseer or deacon are allowed to be married or have children.

So whats up with most Catholics following the man-made doctrine?
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How can you claim to be an ex-Catholic when you know absolutely nothing about Catholicism?
*“So that he who marries his betrothed does well; and he who refrains from marriage will do better.” *- 1 Corinthians 7:38

And since when are Catholic deacons not allowed to marry? Catholic deacons can be single, married, or widowed before ordination. After ordination if he is single or becomes single through the death of his wife then he cannot marry and must remain celibate if he wishes to serve in the Latin Church.
 
FollowTheWay said:
Then obviously you dont remember the seven sacraments (which according to catholic doctrine is the only way to heaven) In the seven sacraments you only choose marriage or holy orders. How many married priests have you met? In fact woman was created for man for them to be joined as one, so why can a woman(nun) not marry either. After all the first command given to us was be fruitful and multiply.
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I know of several married priests, but they converted from Anglicanism and become priests under pastoral provisision.
 
Patience and love - you do realize your talking about the OT temple which was destroyed, and now the temple is you right? Also the NT tells us that it would be helpful to stay unmarried, but under those circumstances that would apply mainly to missionaries. It is firm Catholic doctrine not to be married.
 
FollowTheWay said:
Then obviously you dont remember the seven sacraments (which according to catholic doctrine is the only way to heaven) In the seven sacraments you only choose marriage or holy orders. How many married priests have you met? In fact woman was created for man for them to be joined as one, so why can a woman(nun) not marry either. After all the first command given to us was be fruitful and multiply.
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Wow, you need a Catechism.
  1. The seven sacraments are not the only way to heaven according to Catholic doctrine.
  2. Men can be admitted to Holy Orders as Deacons or Priests if they are married or widowed. That’s BOTH Holy Orders and the Sacrment of Matrimony.
  3. Sisters are Brides of Christ and cannot take another spouse. By your reasoning, it would be wrong for anyone to remain single. :confused:
 
Im gonna be real with you bro I did all the Catholic classes and all that stuff, I basically learned all the stuff you did, I just took my research a little further. I understand that this falls on deaf ears, but I am here to be like Jeremiah and warn you that you must repent because the kingdom is near.

Heres a great book to check out: Pagan Christianity
 
FollowTheWay said:
Patienceand love- you do realize your talking about the OT temple which was destroyed, and now the temple is you right? Also the NT tells us that it would be helpful to stay unmarried, but under those circumstances that would apply mainly to missionaries. It is firm Catholic doctrine not to be married.
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  1. Please spell my handle correctly.
  2. Priestly celibacy is not doctrine, it is discipline. There is a difference.
you do realize your talking about the OT temple which was destroyed, and now the temple is you right?
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Clarify this statement.
It is firm Catholic doctrine not to be married.
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No one should be married? Ok. I will let my husband know.
 
Sisters are brides in Christ? and this is not Catholic doctrine? I believe you need to let go of catechism and get Christ.

Thank you all for listening and repent and accept the Christ

Galatians 1:8

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!
 
FollowTheWay said:
Im gonna be real with you bro I did all the Catholic classes and all that stuff, I** basically learned all the stuff you did, I just took my research a little further.** I understand that this falls on deaf ears, but I am here to be like Jeremiah and warn you that you must repent because the kingdom is near.

Heres a great book to check out: Pagan Christianity
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Did you really?
Because your hit-and-run strawman arguments tell otherwise.
 
FollowTheWay said:
Sisters are brides in Christ? and this is not Catholic doctrine? I believe you need to let go of catechism and get Christ.

Thank you all for listening and repent and accept the Christ

Galatians 1:8

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!
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So your true reason for being here shows- you have no desire to ask questions and learn and grow as a Christian, nor are you interested in coming home. Your sole purpose for coming here was to get us all to convert.
Thank you for your concern, but it is most unfounded. I will pray for you. :signofcross:
 
Titus 3:9-11

“But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.”

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