The Holy Spirit during RCIA

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I have another question from one of my RCIA candidates as a sponser and I think its a great question. I am Catholic and my fiance is going through RCIA and will be confirmed this Easter. She has been baptized and has recieved Confirmation and her 1st Eucharist in her former Lutheran Church. Her question is why does she get re confirmed in the Catholic Church during RCIA? Is that to say the Holy Spirit NEVER confirmed her in the Lutheran Church? Also why would the Holy Spirit pick and choose only to confirm in the Catholic Church verse other Christian denominations Church? Also she wants to know why Catholics have closed Communion? If Christ were here on earth wouldnt he invite every christian to the table with him and not segregate Christians or excluded them during communion? On the road to Damascus the two guys asked Christ (not knowing it was him) to come and join them for supper and breaking the bread and communion right? Or was that just dinner supper or was it actual communion in scripture? If it was actual communion this shows a case where the intent was to invite a average joe who knows nothing about Christ to partake in communion even though at the time they did not realize it was Christ himself. Any insight please on these sacraments verse the protestant sacraments? Thank you
 
Well, I’m no expert so if anyone can comment further please do, but our communion is the actual body and blood of Christ while I’ll believe for Lutherans it is merely a symbol. As far as confimation goes, I’m not sure but I think it may be the same sort of thing, the Catholic church does not recognize the Lutheran’s confirmation. Don’t know if that helps.

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among Protestant denominations, Episcopalians and some Lutherans confirm. The former do consider it a sacrament, the latter generally do not. Just as with ordination, of course Episcopalian (or Anglican) confirmation is invalid and illicit because their bishops are out of the line of apostolic succession. This is NOT the thread to debate that. Lutherans generally do not believe in the Catholic notion of the office of bishop even where they may have officials that go by that name, and their concept of the nature of priesthood is even more far removed from the CAtholic. And generally they do not hold with the Catholic understanding of the sacrament, either. For that reason, Lutheran Confirmation is not valid. That is to say, the individual will be received into the Catholic Church when he is ready through a profession of faith and Confirmation, and also receive Holy Communion for the first time.

That is not to say the Holy Spirit cannot move in anyone, at any time, in any manner he chooses, but we have no guarantee in scripture that the action that occurs in Confirmation and baptism–these two sacraments are closely joined–operates in any other way except that designated by Christ in his teaching on baptism and the Pentecost event.

short answer: the non-Catholic has not been confirmed because the rite was not performed by a Catholic bishop or his delegate.

yes Christ does invite everyone to join him, but under his terms, not ours, and he has set those terms by establishing His Church on earth.
 
No they did not recieve a real confirmation becuase their confirmation is diferent from ours. When that person was confirmed he was confirmed to be a member of the Lutheren church(which is not christ’s church.) However when you come to the Catholic Church you will recieve the Holy spirit becuase you are being confirmed into the Church of Christ. Lutherens do not have valid Holy Orders so their communion and sacraments(except baptism and marriage) are not valid. The reason the church doesn’t want just anyone to recieve communion is becuase the church wants you to know what you are taking and wants you to be a full member of the Church.
 
I have another question from one of my RCIA candidates as a sponser and I think its a great question. I am Catholic and my fiance is going through RCIA and will be confirmed this Easter. She has been baptized and has recieved Confirmation and her 1st Eucharist in her former Lutheran Church. Her question is why does she get re confirmed in the Catholic Church during RCIA? Is that to say the Holy Spirit NEVER confirmed her in the Lutheran Church?
She is not being “re-confirmed” in the Catholic Church. She has not received the Sacrament of Confirmation nor the Sacrament of Holy Communion. This is because only a Church with valid Holy Orders can confer these sacraments. It is the Bishop who confirms via the laying on of hands. Lutherans do not have valid Holy Orders or Bishops in Apostolic Succession. Same with the Eucharist-- only a priest (again, valid Holy Orders) can consecrate the elements of the Eucharist.
Also why would the Holy Spirit pick and choose only to confirm in the Catholic Church verse other Christian denominations Church?
Only those Churches with valid Holy Orders and valid Apostolic Succession have valid sacraments. That would include the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Churches.

The Lutherans themselves do not consider confirmation a sacrament. They view it merely as a profession of faith made by the Lutheran not as a sacrament conferred by the Bishop by which we receive the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit and sanctifying grace.

The Lutherans do not recognize seven sacraments. They recognize only two: baptism and the Lord’s supper.
Also she wants to know why Catholics have closed Communion?
Unfortunately, due to those who reject the authority of the Church, given by Christ, there is visible disunity. Communion is a sacrament of unity in the body. Those who are not fully united to the Church must refrain from receiving the Eucharist until they are fully in communion.
If Christ were here on earth wouldnt he invite every christian to the table with him and not segregate Christians or excluded them during communion?
Christ founded one Church. He gave authority to the Apostles to govern that Church. He expects us to all be fully in communion with the Church he founded.
On the road to Damascus the two guys asked Christ (not knowing it was him) to come and join them for supper and breaking the bread and communion right? Or was that just dinner supper or was it actual communion in scripture? If it was actual communion this shows a case where the intent was to invite a average joe who knows nothing about Christ to partake in communion even though at the time they did not realize it was Christ himself.
You are mistaken. The men on the road to Damascus were not “average joes” who “knew nothing about Christ.” They were disciples of his already.
Any insight please on these sacraments verse the protestant sacraments? Thank you
Those ecclesial communities that lack valid Holy Orders do not have valid sacraments. The Church recognizes the validity of their baptisms because baptism is essential for salvation and the Church has always recognized that while the bishop and priests are the ordinary ministers othe sacrament, any person of good will can validly baptize in necessity. The Church also recognizes non-Catholic marriages because the bride and groom are the minister of the sacrament to each other, not the priest. Therefore, in these two cases no Holy Orders are required for validity. Holy Orders are necessary for the remaining 5 sacraments.

Most protestant churches reject the very idea of sacraments and that they confer grace.
 
…She has been baptized and has received Confirmation and her 1st Eucharist in her former Lutheran Church. Her question is why does she get re confirmed in the Catholic Church during RCIA? Is that to say the Holy Spirit NEVER confirmed her in the Lutheran Church? Also why would the Holy Spirit pick and choose only to confirm in the Catholic Church verse other Christian denominations Church
The issue here is not so much a ruling as a conservative stance. When someone does not know if they were baptized we baptize them conditionally. So if she attempts a second confirmation what is the harm verses what if we assume she does not need confirmation and in fact she does? So let’s error to the safe side
Also she wants to know why Catholics have closed Communion? If Christ were here on earth wouldn’t he invite every Christian to the table with him and not segregate Christians or excluded them during communion? …Any insight please on these sacraments verse the protestant sacraments? Thank you
I agree with her 100% however I also accept the church’s decision which is based on - live correctly- if you are not living correctly refrain from Eucharistic activities (communion). To live incorrect and receive is a sacrilege thus the Church teaches live correct and do not receive otherwise, so that is the issue she and I oppose. However I hope she understands the concerns of placing the decision into the persons hands, if the person does not rise do the responsibility you have ramped sins of presumption
 
She is not being “re-confirmed” in the Catholic Church. She has not received the Sacrament of Confirmation nor the Sacrament of Holy Communion. This is because only a Church with valid Holy Orders can confer these sacraments. It is the Bishop who confirms via the laying on of hands. Lutherans do not have valid Holy Orders or Bishops in Apostolic Succession. Same with the Eucharist-- only a priest (again, valid Holy Orders) can consecrate the elements of the Eucharist.

Only those Churches with valid Holy Orders and valid Apostolic Succession have valid sacraments. That would include the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Churches.

The Lutherans themselves do not consider confirmation a sacrament. They view it merely as a profession of faith made by the Lutheran not as a sacrament conferred by the Bishop by which we receive the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit and sanctifying grace.

The Lutherans do not recognize seven sacraments. They recognize only two: baptism and the Lord’s supper.

Unfortunately, due to those who reject the authority of the Church, given by Christ, there is visible disunity. Communion is a sacrament of unity in the body. Those who are not fully united to the Church must refrain from receiving the Eucharist until they are fully in communion.

Christ founded one Church. He gave authority to the Apostles to govern that Church. He expects us to all be fully in communion with the Church he founded.

You are mistaken. The men on the road to Damascus were not “average joes” who “knew nothing about Christ.” They were disciples of his already.
Ok even though they were Apostles they still DID NOT know it was Jesus and were inviting him as if he was a regular person to break bread (They knew it was Jesus after he spoke the sacred words)…so with that being said why do we not do that as Catholics because their intention was to invite the “average joe” for communion?

Those ecclesial communities that lack valid Holy Orders do not have valid sacraments. The Church recognizes the validity of their baptisms because baptism is essential for salvation and the Church has always recognized that while the bishop and priests are the ordinary ministers othe sacrament, any person of good will can validly baptize in necessity. The Church also recognizes non-Catholic marriages because the bride and groom are the minister of the sacrament to each other, not the priest. Therefore, in these two cases no Holy Orders are required for validity. Holy Orders are necessary for the remaining 5 sacraments.

Most protestant churches reject the very idea of sacraments and that they confer grace.
 
I have another question from one of my RCIA candidates as a sponser and I think its a great question. I am Catholic and my fiance is going through RCIA and will be confirmed this Easter. She has been baptized and has recieved Confirmation and her 1st Eucharist in her former Lutheran Church. Her question is why does she get re confirmed in the Catholic Church during RCIA? Is that to say the Holy Spirit NEVER confirmed her in the Lutheran Church? Also why would the Holy Spirit pick and choose only to confirm in the Catholic Church verse other Christian denominations Church? Also she wants to know why Catholics have closed Communion? If Christ were here on earth wouldnt he invite every christian to the table with him and not segregate Christians or excluded them during communion? On the road to Damascus the two guys asked Christ (not knowing it was him) to come and join them for supper and breaking the bread and communion right? Or was that just dinner supper or was it actual communion in scripture? If it was actual communion this shows a case where the intent was to invite a average joe who knows nothing about Christ to partake in communion even though at the time they did not realize it was Christ himself. Any insight please on these sacraments verse the protestant sacraments? Thank you
The Lutheran Community does not have any valid Sacraments except Baptism and Marriage between two never-before Married non-Catholics. Your fiance has never before received a valid Holy Communion or the Sacrament of Confirmation.
 
On the road to [Emmaus] the two guys asked Christ (not knowing it was him) to come and join them for supper and breaking the bread and communion right? Or was that just dinner supper or was it actual communion in scripture? If it was actual communion this shows a case where the intent was to invite a average joe who knows nothing about Christ to partake in communion even though at the time they did not realize it was Christ himself.
The two disciples who met Christ on the road to Emmaus invited Jesus to stay with them and dine that night. It was Jesus who initiated the “breaking of the bread”, not the disciples. The disciples were just going to eat; Jesus made it a sacramental banquet.
 
The two disciples who met Christ on the road to Emmaus invited Jesus to stay with them and dine that night. It was Jesus who initiated the “breaking of the bread”, not the disciples. The disciples were just going to eat; Jesus made it a sacramental banquet.
Thank you so much…I was confused on whether the disciples were asking him whether he wanted to join them to eat as a dinner or eat as in communion as we see today…Thanks for the correct interpretation…would you happen to have that bible verse and chapter please?👍
 
Thank you so much…I was confused on whether the disciples were asking him whether he wanted to join them to eat as a dinner or eat as in communion as we see today…Thanks for the correct interpretation…would you happen to have that bible verse and chapter please?👍
[T]hey constrained him, saying, “Stay with us, for it is toward evening and the day is now far spent.” So he went in to stay with them. When he was at table with them, he took the bread and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to them. And their eyes were opened and they recognized him; and he vanished out of their sight. (Luke 24:29-31)
The interpretation I gave, that it was Christ Who initiated the Eucharist that evening and not the two disciples, is my own, although I would not be surprised if it can be found in the writings of the Church Fathers.

Even if I am wrong, though, it is clear from Luke 24:13-35 that the companion of these two disciples was not an “average joe” who knew nothing about Christ. Even if that man had not been Jesus, he was still far more knowledgeable about Him than the disciples. (cf. Luke 24:25-27)

I would be surprised if, on Resurrection Sunday, the disciples were already celebrating the “breaking of the bread”, especially given their total confusion over the whole crucifixion incident.
 
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