The Homosexual Agenda in the Heart of many Religious Faiths

[Rin]

Homosexuality is simply considered in our Church as a disorder.

No, it is not.

“Disordered” in theology means “not ordered towards its goal”, which again in this case means “not ordered towards the unification of man and woman, and reproduction”. It is a statement of teleology. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the psychiatric term “disorder”. Please don’t confuse theological terminology with popular (or belonging to other sciences) terminology.

 

[JimG]

Do they believe in homosexuality? Everybody, including you, should be answering yes to that question. Homosexuality exists. It isn’t a matter of belief.

Not everybody “believes in” sexual orientation as a meaningful concept other than a social construct. See here.

 

[Julianna]

It is obvious that the Homosexual Agenda is making itself deeply heard in the heart of the World’s biggest religions. Christianity, Islam, and the Judaism. I’ve seen the gay parade in San Francisco. It’s colorful and highly sexual. The moment has reached epic proportions. Let us pray that God directs us in what we should do next.:tsktsk::tsktsk:

news.yahoo.com/thousands-israel-gay-parade-regions-biggest-112943832.html
in other news news.yahoo.com/southern-baptists-trans-doesn-t-exist-170000238–politics.html
Sorry pro transvestite supporters. The Science you propose is and can be manipulated for ones agenda. At this point it means nothing nor proves anything. Compassion is what we should dole out not acceptance of their lifestyles which is of a sinful nature.

If you think all homosexuals parade around in tu-tu’s and butt open jeans, you haven’t a clue about a gay person.

How do you know the cashier at Wal-Mart isn’t gay? He’s not wearing a tu-tu. How do you know the hair stylist that cuts your hair isn’t gay? She doesn’t have a butch hair cut and wear thick soled shoes.

Transvestites are not necessarily gay.

Not all those who support the right to carry conceal, are same idiots who paraded through Target with automatic weapons.

Painting with a really broad brush there aren’t ya.

 

[Julianna]

Maybe the best “thing to do next” is to just concentrate on living out the Gospels and Corporal Works of Mercy and stop worrying about the so-called gay agenda. As in politics, I’ve learned over the years that all relationships are local or personal, then we are less likely to stereotype others. When a real face is put on an social issue instead of a vague overused stereotype, we are much more loving.

love ya! mean it! great post:thumbsup:

 

[Julianna]

Are you angry because your for the spread of Homosexiality? Yes or No would be a sufficient answer.

Is there a vaccine the CDC didn’t tell us about? Really? Are you kidding me? “spread”

 

[WilT]

No, it is not.

“Disordered” in theology means “not ordered towards its goal”, which again in this case means “not ordered towards the unification of man and woman, and reproduction”. It is a statement of teleology. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the psychiatric term “disorder”. Please don’t confuse theological terminology with popular (or belonging to other sciences) terminology.

go to know! Thanks

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Why not? I could. I’ll ask the same question on you. Do you believe in and support the spread of Homosexuality? Yes or No and you can add your reasons why if you like.

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

Your question is loaded.

Just to be clear: homosexuality, transvestic fetishism (transvestism, crossdressing), and gender dysphoria (transgenderism, gender identity disorder) are three different issues. Some transvestites are heterosexual, while others are homosexual. It is a paraphilic disorder, which is an atypical manner of sexual arousal and behavior.

Indeed.

I put a lot of time and study in trying to figure it out. The best I can come up with is that the tendency for SS attraction is inherited but needs an environmental trigger.

Being gay is not something to be dreaded, the problem is society. Today, gays can choose to: remain chaste, get married, have serial monogamous relationships, have open relationships. have multiple partners, be addicted to sex and everything in between same as heterosexuals. I believe a good sexual education starting at a young age would go a long way to having sane adult sexuality.

By environmental you include prenatal factors such as hormonal imbalances, right?

My own dignity is hurt when I run a red light and get ticketed for it. That is the Law and I broke it. Yes I will feel bad afterwards, my dignity is hurt but it is the law, and I broke it. In the eyes of the law feeling hurt because of one getting the ticket doesn’t change things one bit. I pay the fine and move on!

You injure your own dignity by running red lights, the cop doesn’t do that. Also your analogy is terrible.

No, it is not.

“Disordered” in theology means “not ordered towards its goal”, which again in this case means “not ordered towards the unification of man and woman, and reproduction”. It is a statement of teleology. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the psychiatric term “disorder”. Please don’t confuse theological terminology with popular (or belonging to other sciences) terminology.

That is one of the reasons the English Catechism annoys me.

 

[WilT]

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

Your question is loaded.

Indeed.

By environmental you include prenatal factors such as hormonal imbalances, right?

You injure your own dignity by running red lights, the cop doesn’t do that. Also your analogy is terrible.

That is one of the reasons the English Catechism annoys me.

whether my analogy or others statements annoy you doesn’t change a thing. The acting out of Homosexual sexuality remains a disorder in the eyes of the Church and of God. If you rebel against Church teachings and that of our God of scriptures, then all we can do for you is to pray,since you state you are Catholic. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, hear our prayers.

 

[kozlosap]

whether my analogy or others statements annoy you doesn’t change a thing. The acting out of Homosexual sexuality remains a disorder in the eyes of the Church and of God. If you rebel against Church teachings and that of our God of scriptures, then all we can do for you is to pray,since you state you are Catholic. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, hear our prayers.

Do you believe that The Church wants us all to check our brains and hearts at the door to the Church, pick up our crayons and not think for ourselves when it comes to all manner of human relationships? I do not think that is the case at all.

 

[WilT]

Do you believe that The Church wants us all to check our brains and hearts at the door to the Church, pick up our crayons and not think for ourselves when it comes to all manner of human relationships? I do not think that is the case at all.

Not quite. On the contrary, when you follow the Catholic Church correctly it allows far more freedom that one thinks. Because, when you follow the Church Christ founded, he sends us His Holy Spirit which never is short of giving us graces and knowledge of spirit. It opens doors not closes them. When you follow the CC it sets a wonderful human standard that all can enjoy and succeed in.

 

[Rin]

The acting out of Homosexual sexuality remains a disorder in the eyes of the Church and of God.

No, it does not.

It remains, in Catholic teaching, disordered. Not “a disorder”.

What Joie was alluding to, is that in other languages than English, the noun “disorder” and the adjective “disordered” are often completely different. They are unrelated. To use my own language as an example:

“Disordered” (as used in the catechism): “Feilrettet”, literally translated “wrongly directed”
“Disorder” (as used in psychiatry): “Lidelse”, literally translated “suffering”

Do you see the point now? The word used in the catechism means “wrongly directed”, not “a disorder”. The two terms may share their stem, but they don’t share meaning. However, anglophone Catholics often don’t seem to understand this, largely because of how the catechism is translated. This is annoying.

 

[WilT]

No, it does not.

It remains, in Catholic teaching, disordered. Not “a disorder”.

What Joie was alluding to, is that in other languages than English, the noun “disorder” and the adjective “disordered” are often completely different. They are unrelated. To use my own language as an example:

“Disordered” (as used in the catechism): “Feilrettet”, literally translated “wrongly directed”
“Disorder” (as used in psychiatry): “Lidelse”, literally translated “suffering”

Do you see the point now? The word used in the catechism means “wrongly directed”, not “a disorder”. The two terms may share their stem, but they don’t share meaning. However, anglophone Catholics often don’t seem to understand this, largely because of how the catechism is translated. This is annoying.

Fair enough! correction accepted.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

No, it does not.

It remains, in Catholic teaching, disordered. Not “a disorder”.

What Joie was alluding to, is that in other languages than English, the noun “disorder” and the adjective “disordered” are often completely different. They are unrelated. To use my own language as an example:

“Disordered” (as used in the catechism): “Feilrettet”, literally translated “wrongly directed”
“Disorder” (as used in psychiatry): “Lidelse”, literally translated “suffering”

Do you see the point now? The word used in the catechism means “wrongly directed”, not “a disorder”. The two terms may share their stem, but they don’t share meaning. However, anglophone Catholics often don’t seem to understand this, largely because of how the catechism is translated. This is annoying.

Correct, most people fail to realize this, but homosexuality is really only objectively disordered insofar as it is a desire for something that is a morally disordered.

 

[WilT]

Correct, most people fail to realize this, but homosexuality is really only objectively disordered insofar as it is a desire for something that is a morally disordered.

sounds correct.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

sounds correct.

111. The Church utterly condemns all forms of unjust discrimination, violence, harassment or abuse directed against people who are homosexual. Consequently, the Church teaches that homosexual people ‘must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity’ (Catechism of the Catholic Church 2358). In so far as the homosexual orientation can lead to sexual activity which excludes openness to the generation of new human life and the essential sexual complementarity of man and woman, it is, in this particular and precise sense only, objectively disordered. However, it must be quite clear that a homosexual orientation must never be considered sinful or evil in itself.

catholic-ew.org.uk/Home/News/Benchmark/Cherishing-Life-2004/%28language%29/eng-GB

I figured I’d link this as it is the bishops saying the same thing.