The Horror: This is Why Catholic Traditionalist Fear Pope Francis

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SSPX and Sedevacantists reject every pope that came after VII. So, why would Pope Francis make any difference to them?
which pope is the VII? Do you mean Paul VI? I may be wrong, but I don’t think Francis is going to put too much energy in the SSPX movement (what is the Sedevacantists?)… I am personally impressed with the head bishop of the SSPX, he is such a clear communicator and gentle spirit; he truly believes what he believes and he yearns reunificaiton with rome…however, he is loosing control over the other bishops and priests cause they think he is selling out…anyways youtube is interesting 🙂

Bruce Ferguson
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I still fail to understand why some people feel that they have to respond whenever Pope Francis says something. This includes some bishops. If you want to make people nervous, just make a comment about something. There are some people out there who seem to thrive on making everyone else uncomfortable. I find that behavior more remarkable than anything that Pope Francis has said to date.

There is also an attachment to Pope Benedict XVI that is starting to become toxic. I’m not so sure that Pope Emeritus Benedict would appreciate it. I’m beginning to understand how children of divorced and remarried parents feel. You can’t move that. My mom put that there.” Well, “Hello! But this is no longer your mother’s home.” In other words, Pope Benedict does not live in the Papal Palace nor does he occupy the Chair of Peter. He’s as bound to Pope Francis as the rest of us are. But we don’t want to accept this. Because we can’t accept this, we’re looking for little things to signal some kind of conflict between the two men. The conflict does not exist.

Even if Pope Francis undid everything that Pope Benedict did, there would still be no conflict, because there is only one pope. The former pope would simply have to assent just like any other bishop. I truly believe that he would do so gladly.

My other concern is that the left and right are too concerned about their interests. They lack an ecclesiological vision. Their vision of the Church is very self-serving. They claim that it’s based on Vatican II or on tradition. The truth is that their vision of the Church serves what they believe the Church should be, not what the Holy Spirit says the Church should be. As long as both sides maintain this trend of thought, they’re going to talk past each other and they will never find a pope who satisfies their needs, because they’ve made Catholicism all about their needs, not about Christ’s mission.

As I never tire of saying, people are focusing on statements and deeds that have nothing to do with them. Take for example what someone said about Pope Francis’ statement on pro-life ministry. I have worked in pro-life ministry for a very long time. I run the largest pro-life ministry to men in the USA. I’m the superior of a religious community founded to live and proclaim the Gospel of Life according to the mind of St. Francis of Assisi and St. Maximilian Kolbe.

What the pope said about the way that we deal with abortion and the mistakes that he points out do not make us feel anything like this. The truth is that we have no feelings at all. The ministry is about Christ. It is part of the mission of the Church. It responds to the issue of abortion according to the mind of the Church at the moment. We have no problems with what Pope Francis said. If he says that he does not talk about abortion all the time and that we don’t have to do so either, then we won’t do so. We can preach the Gospel of Life without having to mention abortion in every sentence.

Also, we’re big boys. We accept that we are ALWAYS wrong and the popes are ALWAYS right. This is what St. Francis commanded us to believe under pain of grave sin. This command has not gone away. Ask the FI. We are happy to do whatever the pope says that we must do and stop whatever he says we must stop. We’re happy to change and modify what he says to modify and to keep what he says to keep. It is our hope that the laymen, diocesan priests, and religious from other communities who work alongside us in this ministry will learn from our witness. We’re not in this just to stop abortion. We’re in this to live the Gospel in a very particular way and nothing would make us happier to see others learn to live the Gospel the same way.

So where’s the problem? 🤷
As always, this aboriginal catholic remains amazed at your ability to wade through the issues, get to the heart of the church and move from there. I absolutely agree with everything you are saying; in fact, I too said to YoungTradCatholic that the pope in no way devalues the work of those of us supporting the dignity and message of life, but rather he - would you say - is inviting us to enrichen our message of life via bringing into conversation the full context of the gospel?

Look forward to your thoughts… don’t know where you find your time to follow your ministry passion and answer all these questions posed to you in Catholic Answers…but I hope you have a few minutes and the energy to respond to me…I thank you in advance
 
I’m pretty active in pro-life work myself, but I don’t feel betrayed by Francis at all. I see him as very inspiring. Work to help the poor is pro-life work - remember that. Besides, Francis has been known to have an especially large heart for children with severe disabilities and for women who have borne children out of wedlock. He also reiterated to the obstetricians at Italy’s Catholic hospitals to continue to refuse to perform abortions.

Remember, though, that the unborn, elderly, and disabled are not the only people who are trampled on in our society. We need to do everything we can to protect them, but we also need to recognize the other needs in our society, as well. The homeless (especially homeless men) are often ignored. Immigrants, especially undocumented immigrants, are often despised and/or exploited. More people are receiving food from food banks today than ever before. The rich in the US are getting richer, while the middle class is barely keeping its head above water, and the poor are getting poorer. The divorce rate in the US is rampant. All of these, along with rampant abortion on demand allowed up until natural birth, are symptoms of a society which places the self above all else - symptoms of a society in which one’s own self has become the object of worship.

Satan has deluded our society into self-worship. Even most of us Catholics worship the self outside of the one hour that we spend in Mass each week (if we even go to Mass). The only way we can combat Satan is through devoting our worship to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. We must also spread the Gospel in word and deed in a society that is becoming more and more adversarial to hearing and living the Gospel, starting with our own families. Without doing this, all of our efforts to combat abortion, contraception, and gay “marriage”, along with all the other needs of our society, will be in vain. This is the core of Pope Francis’s message. He is not saying that we should not fight evil where it exists; he is saying that without Jesus - without the saving grace of the Gospel and the sacraments - the fight against evil is futile. And he’s right. Christ allows us to conquer any evil; without Christ, we are powerless against evil.
awesome! well stated and eloquent…thank you.powerofk!

Bruce Ferguson
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You obviously have no idea what the SSPX accepts or rejects. If you did, you wouldn’t say that. Do you have any idea what a Una Cum Mass is ?

The unjust stigma hanging over the SSPX could be argued to be the 8th Delor of Mary.
SaintsAlive… I don’t pretend to understand all of this either…what is a una cum mass anyways! 🙂 In fairness though, the SSPX are having their own internal battles, and several bishops, priests and laity within the society are not supporting the top bishop who I find to be a very humble man wanting very much reconciliation with rome…

I would be interested in your sense of what is happening; do you think we - as roman catholics - are being unreasonable with the society… or are you just saying that most of us don’t understand everything that the SSPX stand for or are trying to do…as I believe they are doing what they do in good conscience…

Trickster
bruce ferguson
 
Bruce, the article is drivel written by Bill Hallowell no more than sixteen days after Pope Francis took office back in March. It was picked up by the Associated Press, published in USA today and was widely posted on the Internet on March 30.

It’s old news to begin with, even if it is news. It isn’t even journalism. Bill Hallowell writes articles specifically to stir up controversy including article after article about gay marriage - he is obsessed with the topic. Controversy sells, and he knows it.

-Tim-
Ah, ok, thank you Tim… I wasn’t aware of that…I will try and do some research on Bill Hallowell to figure out his bias and where he is going with this…are you saying that he is a gay activist? Or does he just take position on the catholic church that are meant to be devisive? (Although I look at Fox media, MSNBC… and I think journalism has lost its ability to be objective based on facts…sort of like congress 🙂 … .I appreciate the heads up Tim…

Thank you

Bruce Ferguson
Trickster (Indigenous symbol for transformation/conversion).
 
EXCELLENT response Oralabora! I like the indepthness in which you shared with YoungTraditionalCatholic… and like I said, even though in Canada it is a done deal more or less, we need to ensure that there is the presence of a voice at least now of moderation… I would like to counter the pro-choice strength in Canada with a common sense strategy that provides all the information to women in making the choice for or against abortion…and that does not seem to be happening…

Just a side question to you… I live in Vancouver, BC…so do you think that the medical profession in Canada is providing equal information on the choices and options available for women to make decisions over their reproductive rights? My sense is that the choice of abortion is what most doctors recommend; sort of like the fact that doctors tend to over-prescribe…your thoughts as a fellow Canadian catholic would be appreciated…

Bruce Ferguson
Trickster
I live in Quebec but the legal situation is much the same. My wife is a family doctor so I know a bit about this. It’s not really a choice of doctors choosing to “over-prescribe abortion”. Legally, they basically have no choice. A family doctor is not supposed to put her personal convictions in between the patient and doctor. Thus if a patient comes in to see the doctor with her mind made up about getting an abortion, there’s nothing the doctor can do other than either provide the service or refer the patient to someone who will.

Fortunately my wife is a family doctor and doesn’t perform abortions. An OB-GYN though does. I think technically they can refuse on grounds of conscience, but then they must refer the patient to someone who will. It becomes a touchy issue if it’s a remote area with only one OB-GYN.

If a patient does ask for advice, the best my wife can do is refer her to someone mandated by the “system” to give advice, or provide pamphlets, etc. My wife is not supposed to bring personal convictions into it at all. Her job is limited to the medical aspects.
 
To put things in an another perspective. When Benedict was elected Pope in 2005, I heard all sorts of rumors from some people, that we would now see an extreme right wing purge directed at liberal-left wing Catholics, and that the SSPX would be brought back into the fold just as they are, no questions asked. Needless to say, none of that happened, and 8 years later when Francis became Pope, I began hearing the exact opposite. Traditional Catholicism is out and we will now move towards becoming a more modern-progressive church. However, only a day or so after Pope Francis’ “Who Am I To Judge” statements, I noticed at least a few pro-homosexual, feminist, websites reminding people not to be taken in by the kindly demeanor of Pope Francis, because in there words, he remains a homophobic-sexist bigot, who has made outrageous statements in the past regarding homosexual marriage, adoption, a woman’s choice, etc.
Good observation Seamus, I remember the same reporting and speculating…you are absolutely correct on this observation…still working on your australian cartoons 🙂

Thanks seamus

Bruce Ferguson
trickster
 
I just wish people would quit posting articles from secular news sites. We have reputable sites such as Catholic News Service, Zenit, National Catholic Register, and Catholic News Agency.
Hi SaintsAlive… I was just brought up to speed on Bill Hollowell, who wrote this article…it was written just after Francis got elected and posted March 30th…Tim indicated that Bill is gay activists so that would be his particular bias in the article…which indicates my need to do more research before posting these articles as they are not helpful to our discussion here on Catholic Answers…so feel free to stay on top of my postings… I appreciate criticism, praise, and honest thoughts about what I write… i dont’ get offended and I am a very strong believer in respectful conversation… so there you have it my friend.

Bruce Ferguson
Trickster
 
I live in Quebec but the legal situation is much the same. My wife is a family doctor so I know a bit about this. It’s not really a choice of doctors choosing to “over-prescribe abortion”. Legally, they basically have no choice. A family doctor is not supposed to put her personal convictions in between the patient and doctor. Thus if a patient comes in to see the doctor with her mind made up about getting an abortion, there’s nothing the doctor can do other than either provide the service or refer the patient to someone who will.

Fortunately my wife is a family doctor and doesn’t perform abortions. An OB-GYN though does. I think technically they can refuse on grounds of conscience, but then they must refer the patient to someone who will. It becomes a touchy issue if it’s a remote area with only one OB-GYN.

If a patient does ask for advice, the best my wife can do is refer her to someone mandated by the “system” to give advice, or provide pamphlets, etc. My wife is not supposed to bring personal convictions into it at all. Her job is limited to the medical aspects.
WOW…ok, I can understand why the professionals are not allowed to be involved in the conversation… but that puts the responsibility back on society I guess to find that place where all the information can be provided in a sensitive way; not a tug-of-war with our pro-choice brothers and sisters, but some sort of agreement that we want the women to "own’ their decision and not be pressured into abortion or keeping the baby…I think that might be a first move towards bringing the pendulum back toward the middle and a middle based on scientific facts, emotional wellness and all that stuff. I’d appreciate your thoughts on this…and no worries about offending me… I don’t get offended.(ususally 🙂

I lived in Gatineau last year, working and saving in BC as I want to attend Dominican University College in Ottawa September 2014. I have been accepted this year to do my B.Th. but had to change plans in order to work on some family issues that came up this year…in any case I miss quebec… and my mom is from Maniwaki…western Quebec… we are from the Algonquin First Nation there … Kitigan-zibi Anishinabeg.

Anyways, look forward to your thoughts.

Trickster
Bruce Ferguson
 
I understand “Don’t forget to put everything in perspective”, but this I what I say to my friends who don’t care about the killing of innocents, but only talk about “helping the poor” all the time and consequently support the government give them more and more handouts. I tell them, we should go and evangelize them at the same time, just like Jesus did. he did not came to feed the poor, but to give the bread and water of Life. I explain if you have God inside you, then you can endure and/or live a life of dignity and point to the book “The Hiding Place”. Also, when Pope Francis talks about the poor, he really means “the poor”, not the people in USA who we call “poor” but are not. Totally different. Anyway, his admonition to pro-lifers to evangelize too (which they do), should also go to those who always scream “the poor, the poor”
Trueca… I am running out of time… you will note that I have responded to everyone who has responded to my posting…

As an aboriginal person and an activist for social justice (of which the life of creatures - including humans) is of paramount importance… we need to create a culture of the value of life in an interconnected eco-system…and for that I am a fighter. I wanted to ask you how you differentiate “authentic poor” from the poor you define as becoming eligible for government hand-outs.

I am Canadian so we have a state and national understanding of this which influences the thinking of the Church in Canada; so if you are from the States, let me know, cause that would also provide me a context for your thinking…also I know that in America there is the tension between the sovereignty of the American state and the power taken via constitutional amendments by a delegated federal government that factors into play here, so if you are American … let me know… as it will help me contextualize where you are coming from.

thanks Trueca

Bruce Ferguson
trickster (indigenous symbol for conversion/transformation).
 
theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/30/the-horror-this-is-why-catholic-traditionalists-fear-pope-francis/

An interesting article I found from The Blaze and it very true. For those of you who know me I am not the most traditional of Catholics; in fact I want to follow the spirit in finding theological bridges to include our own people as aboriginal into the church and for that I can be (and have no problem) with being labelled progressive or liberal … (“Labels” are none of my business I cannot control what others think about me - that is not my business).

However, this article and what I have read here highlights a new problem and that is the uncomfort of my brothers and sisters who are traditionalist. I believe that we need to have the extraordinary mass, latin has a place in our church, and when I go to a predominately traditional mass I respect the choice in style of the majority and even kneel to recieve communion on the tongue (have not done that since the 60’s)!

What I believe Francis is talking about is embracing unity in diversity and I would hope that traditional catholics would embrace my efforts to find an expression, symbolism that would reaffirm who we are as Catholics but within an environment that honours our creators gift of giving us an aboriginal world view… yeah stuff like that.

Bruce Ferguson
Trickster (indigenous symbol for transformation - conversion and changing into something…)
May I ask you something?

What is the point of having a mass all in latin, when none (except for the preist and maybe the odd one or two) can speak it or understand it?
Acts 2:
The Coming of the Holy Spirit

2 On the day of Pentecost all the Lord’s followers were together in one place. 2 Suddenly there was a noise from heaven like the sound of a mighty wind! It filled the house where they were meeting. 3 Then they saw what looked like fiery tongues moving in all directions, and a tongue came and settled on each person there. 4 The Holy Spirit took control of everyone, and they began speaking whatever languages the Spirit let them speak.

5 Many religious Jews from every country in the world were living in Jerusalem. 6 And when they heard this noise, a crowd gathered. But they were surprised, because they were hearing everything in their own languages. 7 They were excited and amazed, and said:

Don’t all these who are speaking come from Galilee? 8 Then why do we hear them speaking our very own languages? 9 Some of us are from Parthia, Media, and Elam. Others are from Mesopotamia, Judea, Cappadocia, Pontus, Asia, 10 Phrygia, Pamphylia, Egypt, parts of Libya near Cyrene, Rome, 11 Crete, and Arabia. Some of us were born Jews, and others of us have chosen to be Jews. Yet we all hear them using our own languages to tell the wonderful things God has done.

12 Everyone was excited and confused. Some of them even kept asking each other, “What does all this mean?”

13 Others made fun of the Lord’s followers and said, “They are drunk.”
I mean no offense, but I believe when this happens, it turns the Church into some exclusive club (only for those who can speak/understand latin), instead of an all inclusive church for sinners.

I cannot speak/understand latin, I would be mortified if they tried to change our mass to latin, who would they be preaching to? not the laity that’s for sure.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
SaintsAlive… I don’t pretend to understand all of this either…what is a una cum mass anyways! 🙂 In fairness though, the SSPX are having their own internal battles, and several bishops, priests and laity within the society are not supporting the top bishop who I find to be a very humble man wanting very much reconciliation with rome…

I would be interested in your sense of what is happening; do you think we - as roman catholics - are being unreasonable with the society… or are you just saying that most of us don’t understand everything that the SSPX stand for or are trying to do…as I believe they are doing what they do in good conscience…

Trickster
bruce ferguson
A Una Cum Mass is one that acknowledges the current Pope and Bishop. It can be either form of the Mass. The SSPX clergy do name the pope, which does indeed acknowledge him as pope.
" together with Thy servant N. our Pope, N. our Bishop,"

I’m not a member of the local SSPX Chapel, but I do know they have a portrait of the pope in the vestibule.

I’m sure we’ve read the same thing about the current drama within the SSPX. Like you, I respect Bishop Fellay.

God bless
 
Hi SaintsAlive… I was just brought up to speed on Bill Hollowell, who wrote this article…it was written just after Francis got elected and posted March 30th…Tim indicated that Bill is gay activists so that would be his particular bias in the article…which indicates my need to do more research before posting these articles as they are not helpful to our discussion here on Catholic Answers…so feel free to stay on top of my postings… I appreciate criticism, praise, and honest thoughts about what I write… i dont’ get offended and I am a very strong believer in respectful conversation… so there you have it my friend.

Bruce Ferguson
Trickster
Fair enough. Stick with the reputable Catholic news sites for accurate quotes and translations of what H.H. says.

With anti-Catholicism being so widespread these days, we simply can’t trust a lot of those “news” sites. National Catholic Reporter is one to avoid as well. They have a history of supporting dissident opinions and agendas.

God bless
 
National Catholic Reporter is one to avoid as well. They have a history of supporting dissident opinions and agendas.
Yes but John Allen is an excellent reporter, and very objective for the most part. He’s the only reason I read that site.
 
Also, we’re big boys. We accept that we are ALWAYS wrong and the popes are ALWAYS right. This is what St. Francis commanded us to believe under pain of grave sin. This command has not gone away. Ask the FI. We are happy to do whatever the pope says that we must do and stop whatever he says we must stop. We’re happy to change and modify what he says to modify and to keep what he says to keep. It is our hope that the laymen, diocesan priests, and religious from other communities who work alongside us in this ministry will learn from our witness. We’re not in this just to stop abortion. We’re in this to live the Gospel in a very particular way and nothing would make us happier to see others learn to live the Gospel the same way.

So where’s the problem? 🤷
Not to be critical but the adage that “Pope is ALWAYS right” is no longer a tenable position in light of historical evidence. One can accept that the Pope is ALWAYS right when he teaches using his Papal authority but in terms of his decision making and evaluating the situation, he does not have infallibility.

The case of Pope Honorious in the history of the Catholic faith unfortunately destroys any possibility of a Pope ALWAYS being right.

I think the problem for many is that in light of that historical evidence, it is hard to just trust that the Pope is always going to make the best and optimal decision. One Pope (Honorious) thought he made the right decision and got plastered with the label heretic by his successors and an ecumenical council. Since we have not given an oath of allegiance to a way of life like that of the Franciscans or other order, we do have this doubt whether the Pope is really saying the right things at the right time in the right way (when it is said outside his teaching office).

The only other duty we as the faithful have is to obey the Pope. But that requires the Pope to make a legislative decree or a command. His opinions in interviews are not things we are bound to obey and therefore simply accept either.

Only thing I can think of at this moment is not mentioning the problems with the Pope’s words outside of the exercise of his office in order to protect the good name of the Pope. But that is not exactly possible when the words are already everywhere. At that point all you can do is to try and salvage the words by trying to show why its Catholic and not a departure from the position of the Catholic Church for millenniums. But there can be honest difficulty (mostly due to ambiguity in words and phrases) in convincingly doing so with some of the things that were said. That is why there is criticism.

So I think there is a sense among many that Pope Francis, while completely Orthodox just like any other Pope we had (including Pope Honorious), did give ammunition for those who want to depart from Church teaching through his words in interviews. Can his interview be interpreted in a completely Orthodox manner? Yes, but with great difficulty. Can it be interpreted in an incorrect manner to support agendas? Yes, in a much more simpler way. That is the problem.
 
I think part of the difficulty with the “marching orders” approach is that the people who have spent a significant portion of their lives, time or money in fields like pro-life work feel alienated by Francis. The thought is, “He wants us to live the Gospel? Uh… I thought we’ve been trying to do that the whole time…” It’s like a betrayal. It’s not just, “Live the Gospel,” but the way it is talked about makes it seem like people who have done pro-life work have been doing a ****** job at that the whole time, all the while, 'Yeehaw, poor people!"

It feels like the Pope is stomping on pro-life workers while at the same time having a dance party with people who do work with the poor.
I think you are right, that there are a goodly number of people who feel, at the lest, that he has stepped on their toes; some feel he has abandoned them.

From what I have observed, however, that seems to have two sources (at least).

One is that far, far too many people are getting their information from the public secular press. That we still don’t understand the operations and processes, as well as prejudices, of the secular public press enough to know that they will never get something right about the Church, is what - I would say astounding, but that doesn’t seem to really encompass it. I have watched for a few months now as the press gives a sound bite, people go through a knee jerk reaction, and then we (at least some of us) find out what he really said.

The second source is what I alluded to in my first comment - the lack of critical thinking. For those who are not familiar with what that means (I presume you are), it involves the ability to look at a n issue from several viewpoints, rather than just one; it involcves stepping out of linear thinking, to ask questions which often clarify matters fairly quickly. I do not fault anyone who has not been trained to think critically, and many, if not most, have not. But lacking a critical approach and engaging in linear thinking causes untold sorts of problems - leading among other problems, to a READY! FIRE! (and then maybe, AIM!).

Where am I going with that? Let’s go back to pre-Vatican 2, basically Baltimore Catechism days - we were taught that the Holy Spirit will always guide the Church in matters of Faith and Morals. Without going down the rabbit hole of exactly how far that extends to what the Holy Father says, let’s just agree that if the Holy Spirit is still in charge, then we will not get a Pope who is making comments that are outside the accepted boundaries of Faith and Morals. That, for a start, would or should cause people who read something in the public secular press to say - Hmmm, this sounds hinkey to me, and it is from the public secular press; I wonder if they have done their usual sound bite extraction from his talk, taken things out of context, and maybe left me with something less than the truth about the statement?
 
May I ask you something?

What is the point of having a mass all in latin, when none (except for the preist and maybe the odd one or two) can speak it or understand it?
You’re asking me Josh! I am not a traditionalist but until I was 8 or so years old the masses were in Latin, don’t remember much of those days…I am totally a post-vatican II catholic! Usually, there is, or should be a translation of the Latin into english as you are right, not many people understand it now… nor am I sure average people ever understood latin…but even in the old days, the homily was still in the venacular language.

I think latin is more symbolic of a universal language in the church and I think should be used once in a while…as it is a beautiful language too…but gone are the days I hope when all of our masses are just in latin… I prefer the new order mass developed since the Vatican Council. So I am probably close to the view you may have…

I
mean no offense, but I believe when this happens, it turns the Church into some exclusive club (only for those who can speak/understand latin), instead of an all inclusive church for sinners.

I cannot speak/understand latin, I would be mortified if they tried to change our mass to latin, who would they be preaching to? not the laity that’s for sure.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
Not too sure about that Josh…like I said the Latin is a beautiful language along with the extraordinary (tridentine form of mass)… it emphasis the greatness of God, the high christology of Christ, it emphasis our reality as being limited…it is mysterious and so forth; apparently many traditional catholics like it. I support that. I don’t think it makes it a special club. these masses are still a minority of masses in most dioceses … most of us prefer the modern mass where we can be included like you say…
 
A Una Cum Mass is one that acknowledges the current Pope and Bishop. It can be either form of the Mass. The SSPX clergy do name the pope, which does indeed acknowledge him as pope.
" together with Thy servant N. our Pope, N. our Bishop,"

I’m not a member of the local SSPX Chapel, but I do know they have a portrait of the pope in the vestibule.

I’m sure we’ve read the same thing about the current drama within the SSPX. Like you, I respect Bishop Fellay.

God bless
well that is awesome… I DID NOT KNOW THAT… thanks Saints Alive for getting me up to speed on that… yes Bishop Fellay is the man I was talking about… I find him to be very humble, thinks things out ,… great in his expressions and awesome in his sense of humour about his experience with the post-vatican II church as that is the church he grew up in… and only later moved towards the vision and ideas of teh SSPX…
 
Fair enough. Stick with the reputable Catholic news sites for accurate quotes and translations of what H.H. says.

With anti-Catholicism being so widespread these days, we simply can’t trust a lot of those “news” sites. National Catholic Reporter is one to avoid as well. They have a history of supporting dissident opinions and agendas.

God bless
I will differ with you a bit on this one Saints Alive… I agree with you that the catholic news sites are motivated to broadcast a more accurate report of the issues; but I also believe to fully explore an issue one must cross-read the texts (read different texts, opinions, etc. against each other) to arrive at deeper meaning or reflection…

I will make the effort not to post these kinds of articles on Catholic Answers as I think most of the people involved want to deepen their faith and don’t want to be side-tracked with a lot of secular reflection on the goings-on of the Vatican…

Cheerz my friend

Bruce
 
Yes but John Allen is an excellent reporter, and very objective for the most part. He’s the only reason I read that site.
I have heard that criticism of that paper before… I personally love journalism that brings in all kinds of opinions and cross-references like I had mentioned before… I also heard John Allen speak in Dallas at a catholic conference sponsored by the Diocese of Dallas and Ft. Worth…

I tend to agree with your assessment of John Allen and the national catholic reporter.

Bruce Ferguson
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