The Hottest Hoax In The World

[viper78912]

Al Gore, the Nobel Peace Prize winner for 2007, displaced Nobel candidate, Irena Sandler, who rescued over a thousand Jewish children during the Holocaust.
Al Gore was influenced by the writings of the Russian émigré and radical libertarian philosopher Ayn Rand. Two decades after her death, she remains the darling of right-thinking Americans and sales of her novels, paeans of praise to unbridled capitalism, are even outselling The Da Vinci Code. She was the literary pied piper of Wall Street.
Rand’s credo is summed up by the title of a collection of her essays, The Virtue of Selfishness, which have circulated in an almost samizdat fashion among enthusiasts of capitalism red in tooth and claw.
She projects a totally wrong, skewed, & highly limited understanding of reality,
a vicious clique which wants to destroy mankind’s spirituality.
Her creepy philosophy of Objectivism, places the self at the centre of the moral universe. One of the characters in Atlas Shrugged summarizes her philosophy with the following oath: “I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another human being, or ask another human being to live for mine.”
Her whole philosophy is based on lies, distortions, misrepresentations, half-truths, quarter-truths, and ludicrous circular reasoning.
To want to be a social worker, to address the issue of other people’s pain, to be a humanitarian - for Ayn Rand - necessarily comes from an individual’s “inability to deal with reality ".
The Biblical description of Creation is described in the Book of Job. “thick darkness a swaddling band” (v. 9), is presumably the protective ozone layer, surrounding the earth.
Job 38
1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7When the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
9When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddling band for it,

 

[Lapell]

Was Al Gore’s group the only one to send alarm signals about “global warming”, then “global temperature heavy change”? Whatever inspired the so-called hoax must have been a collection of things that would call at least for some change, if not such a radical one. For now U.S.A. and Canada Gvts. and multinational industrial companies are now seen, rightly or wrongly, as gvts. and Cies who won’t care to do a single thing to significantly improve the state of the environment, i.e. air and water pollution rate, and things like that.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Was Al Gore’s group the only one to send alarm signals about “global warming”, then “global temperature heavy change”? Whatever inspired the so-called hoax must have been a collection of things that would call at least for some change, if not such a radical one.

That’s assuming climate change is antrhopomorphic.

For now U.S.A. and Canada Gvts. and multinational industrial companies are now seen, rightly or wrongly, as gvts. and Cies who won’t care to do a single thing to significantly improve the state of the environment, i.e. air and water pollution rate, and things like that.

What are Cies?

Global Warming <> air pollution.

Our air, water, earth are cleaner and greener than they’ve been since the industrial revolution.

 

[SILVERBOWLIT]

I would say the hottest hoax on this planet that has affected everyone for the last 4 million years?] is this:
“you can’t become holy, you are seperated from god!”
this has been the evil ones message from the beginning!
I would worry more about the temperature you know where, than the arctic temperature. Isn’t it strange how illusions can affect our every day existence. “tomorrow will have it’s own problems!”
until governments change, global warming won’t change.

 

[steveandersen]

In medievil times, the Vikings settled Greenland and grew grapes there. So what’s the threat?

not that old chestnut

Vikings did NOT grow grapes in Greenland

they explored a place further west and south of Greenland that they called Vinland supposedly because of the wild grapes. The best guesses for its location is from Newfoundland to Nova Scotia and even as far south as Massachusetts.

if they ventured south of the St Laurence they may indeed have found grapes. if L’Anse Aux Meadows was “Vinland” then it seems likely that it was some something else. perhaps sort of wild blueberry that reminded the Norse of currents or some other small variety of grape

 

[Ender]

not quite sure how an article in a glossy weekly magazine negates the fact that CO2 is transparent to UV but opaque to IR

You state this as if you believe it demonstrates something significant. It is a fact that by itself is no more significant than any other fact and of itself proves nothing at all.

Ender

 

[qui_est_ce]

not that old chestnut

Vikings did NOT grow grapes in Greenland

Grapes were grown in England in Medieval times, a feat which is not possible in today’s England due to colder temperatures.

 

[John21652]

March 2000, a British newspaper, The Independent, wrote an article on the declining snowfalls and warmer weather that Britain would face because of Global Warming. The headline was **Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past.**The article quoted a senior scientist from Britain’s East Anglia University when it wrote that

"…within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”.

The Independent also quoted a senior scientist from the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, who predicted that -

“…ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes - or eventually “feel” virtual cold.”

As we all know, Britain has endured a very heavy winter and on the 9th January this photo of Britain totally covered in snow was published.

Now lets look at a graph showing the snow coverage of the winters from 2001-2010 when compared to previous decades.



Now lets examine the actual annual snowfalls for each year of the past decade and compare them to previous decades.
The graph shows that for the past decade the snowfalls have been consistently higher then previous decades. -



Graphs copied from Watts Up With That

 

[qui_est_ce]

As we all know, Britain has endured a very heavy winter and on the 9th January this photo of Britain totally covered in snow was published.

Now lets look at a graph showing the snow coverage of the winters from 2001-2010 when compared to previous decades.

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/2000_decade_snow.png

Now lets examine the actual annual snowfalls for each year of the past decade and compare them to previous decades.
The graph shows that for the past decade the snowfalls have been consistently higher then previous decades. -

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/winter_snow_extent_1967-2010.png

Graphs copied from Watts Up With That

GIMMEE SOME OF THAT SNOW!!!

Don’t you just LOVE the way they exaggerate and play on your sympathies? British school children won’t experience real snow anymore!

 

[steveandersen]

You state this as if you believe it demonstrates something significant. It is a fact that by itself is no more significant than any other fact and of itself proves nothing at all.

Ender

it is a key and crucial fact
since the earth radiates heat in the IR where is the energy going?

 

[steveandersen]

Grapes were grown in England in Medieval times, a feat which is not possible in today’s England due to colder temperatures.

prime hop-growing land in Kent is now (unfortunately) being used for viticulture
because it is warmer now

after completely dieing out viticulture is back in the UK

 

[qui_est_ce]

prime hop-growing land in Kent is now (unfortunately) being used for viticulture
because it is warmer now

Prove it’s warmer in England now than when??? In the '70’s we were told it was getting colder in northern Europe and the growing season was being reduced.
Newsweek April 28, 1975

There are ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production – with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth. The drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only 10 years from now. The regions destined to feel its impact are the great wheat-producing lands of Canada and the U.S.S.R. in the North, along with a number of marginally self-sufficient tropical areas – parts of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indochina and Indonesia – where the growing season is dependent upon the rains brought by the monsoon.

The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it. In England, farmers have seen their growing season decline by about two weeks since 1950, with a resultant overall loss in grain production estimated at up to 100,000 tons annually. During the same time, the average temperature around the equator has risen by a fraction of a degree – a fraction that in some areas can mean drought and desolation. Last April, in the most devastating outbreak of tornadoes ever recorded, 148 twisters killed more than 300 people and caused half a billion dollars’ worth of damage in 13 U.S. states.

prime hop-growing land in Kent is now (unfortunately) being used for viticulture

From the article:

Problems

(In England, it is only in about 2 years in every 10 that grape production will be really good, 4 years will be average and 4 years poor or terrible - largely due to weather and/or disease exacerbated by weather).

It is most certainly NOT due to warmer weather.

The best of present day vineyards are well sited, grow the right varieties for their situation, are well managed and their growers understand what they are doing in a scientific way. There have been some notable examples of new vineyards being planted in recent years on a very scientific basis - with their owners/developers seeking out the right soils and situations for what they want to achieve. One thinks of Nyetimber vineyard in West Sussex,** deliberately developed** on the Greensand to emulate the growing conditions in the Champagne region of France. Already Nyetimber’s reputation for its sparkling wines confirm the efficacy of this rational, scientific approach.

Newer varieties and methods of cultivating allow for a small amount viticulture. It is very expensive to reproduce the soil and growing conditions required for a good wine in England, hence:

In the 1990s English vineyards, especially those in the south-east of England, have also suffered from the cross-Channel “smuggling” phenomenon whereby it is possible (due to high rates of customs duty and VAT on wine in England) for any UK citizen to take a cheap trip by Channel Tunnel or Ferry to one of a number of French ports (such as Calais) and buy practically duty free wines from vast wine supermarkets. **On sheer cost of production it is not possible for English wine producers to compete on such prices. **

 

[steveandersen]

Prove it’s warmer in England now than when???

warmer now than it was during the so called “little ice age”

In the '70’s we were told it was getting colder in northern Europe and the growing season was being reduced.

told by whom that it was getting colder in the 70s?

there was never a general consensus on that
IIRC it was a Newsweek article that sensationalized that.

Newsweek April 28, 1975

From the article:

I see you found it
did you find this?
On October 23, 2006, Newsweek issued a correction, over 31 years after the original article, stating that it had been “so spectacularly wrong about the near-term future” (though editor Jerry Adler claimed that ‘the story wasn’t “wrong” in the journalistic sense of “inaccurate.”’)

It is most certainly NOT due to warmer weather.
Newer varieties and methods of cultivating allow for a small amount viticulture. It is very expensive to reproduce the soil and growing conditions required for a good wine in England, hence:

no one said it was ideal for grapes just that they were being grown there
which you said was not possible in post #47

(and if it is too cold in England just imagine what Greenland was like, which was my original point)

 

[qui_est_ce]

did you find this?
On October 23, 2006, Newsweek issued a correction, over 31 years after the original article, stating that it had been “so spectacularly wrong about the near-term future” (though editor Jerry Adler claimed that ‘the story wasn’t “wrong” in the journalistic sense of “inaccurate.”’)

Proving we should be skeptical about the ACC hype.

 

[steveandersen]

Proving we should be skeptical about the ACC hype.

not sure what an “ACC” is, but one should always be skeptical

the important difference is that the “global cooling” hype of the 70-s had no scientific consensus and was just popular media hype as is the anti climate change brew-ha today

so we’re agreed no grapes in Greenland in the 11th century and grapes in England in the 21st

 

[Ender]

the important difference is that the “global cooling” hype of the 70-s had no scientific consensus and was just popular media hype as is the anti climate change brew-ha today

There has never been a scientific consensus that global warming was caused by man, and after the CRU affair support for the AGW theory has reached its apogee; it’s all downhill from here.

Ender

 

[qui_est_ce]

not sure what an “ACC” is, but one should always be skeptical.

Anthropomorphic Climate Change

the important difference is that the “global cooling” hype of the 70-s had no scientific consensus and was just popular media hype as is the anti climate change brew-ha today

Actually I see parallels between the global cooling hype and the global warming hype. Neither has credible scientific scientific consensus

so we’re agreed no grapes in Greenland in the 11th century and grapes in England in the 21st

Irrelevant. Your claim is that it’s “much warmer” in England today. You have not addressed my question, warmer than when? It logically follows that if it is “warmer” then it must have been “cooler” at some point. Cooler than when?

There has never been a scientific consensus that global warming was caused by man, and after the CRU affair support for the AGW theory has reached its apogee; it’s all downhill from here.

Ender

What happened to the glaciers that covered North America?

 

[steveandersen]

… Your claim is that it’s “much warmer” in England today. You have not addressed my question, warmer than when?

I answered that in post #53

 

[qui_est_ce]

I answered that in post #53

Sorry, I overlooked that. Do you agree climate change is nothing new?MWP, LIA, warming after LIA,

 

[kimmielittle]

Anthropomorphic Climate Change
Actually I see parallels between the global cooling hype and the global warming hype. Neither has credible scientific scientific consensus
Irrelevant. Your claim is that it’s “much warmer” in England today. You have not addressed my question, warmer than when? It logically follows that if it is “warmer” then it must have been “cooler” at some point. Cooler than when?

What happened to the glaciers that covered North America?