The Hymn of Severus of Antioch or St John Chrysostom [of Antioch]?

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O Only-begotten Son and Word of God, who art immortal, yet didst deign for our salvation to be incarnate of the Theotokos and ever-virgin Mary; and without change wast made man; and wast crucified also, O Christ our God, and by thy death didst Death subdue; who art one of the Holy Trinity, glorified together with the Father and the Holy Spirit: save us. (As it appears in the Liturgy of St John Chrysostom)

I will exalt You, O my Lord, the King, the Only-begotten Son and the Word of the heavenly Father, Who, by Your nature, are immortal. You accepted, by Your grace, and came down for the life and salvation of mankind, and did become incarnate of the holy, glorious and pure Virgin, Birth-Giver of God, Mary. Who without change did become a man and was crucified for us. O Christ our God, Who by Your death trampled our death and destroyed it. You Who are One of the Holy Trinity, and are worshipped and glorified in unity with Your Father and Your Holy Spirit, have compassion on us all. (As it appears in the Liturgy of St James the Just)

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shlomo3amrooh said:
O Only-begotten Son and Word of God, who art immortal, yet didst deign for our salvation to be incarnate of the Theotokos and ever-virgin Mary; and without change wast made man; and wast crucified also, O Christ our God, and by thy death didst Death subdue; who art one of the Holy Trinity, glorified together with the Father and the Holy Spirit: save us. (As it appears in the Liturgy of St John Chrysostom)

I will exalt You, O my Lord, the King, the Only-begotten Son and the Word of the heavenly Father, Who, by Your nature, are immortal. You accepted, by Your grace, and came down for the life and salvation of mankind, and did become incarnate of the holy, glorious and pure Virgin, Birth-Giver of God, Mary. Who without change did become a man and was crucified for us. O Christ our God, Who by Your death trampled our death and destroyed it. You Who are One of the Holy Trinity, and are worshipped and glorified in unity with Your Father and Your Holy Spirit, have compassion on us all. (As it appears in the Liturgy of St James the Just)

To read more click below:

qadishat.com/2013/10/the-hymn-of-severus-of-antioch-or-st.html
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No one is the Eastern Orthodox Church attributes this hymn to St. John Chrysostom. Traditionally it has been attributed to Justinian, however, many modern historians believe that it was written by Severus of Antioch. If that is the case it only supports my argument that the real conflict was linguistic rather than theological and that Severus and others were wrong to accuse the Chalcedonians of Nestorianism. Instead, they should have taken the time to calmly discuss matters and try to understand what Chalcedon really meant instead of going into schism. I find it very difficult to read any neutral history of the Council of Ephesus of 449 and not come away with a very unfavorable view of Dioscorus. Dioscorus and his supporters grossly mistreated Flavian and refused to consider the Tome of Leo The real issue was probably not doctrine but that the non-Chalcedonians unfairly accused the Chalcedonians of Nestorianism, because they used different terminology than St. Cyril. Had they adopted the same tolerance that St. Cyril expressed in his letter to John of Antioch, the schism might have been avoided. The Byzantine Emperor had to send in troops to control the opponents of Chalcedon who In 457* lynched Proterus the Chalcedonian Patriarch of Alexandria in 457 and put a man known to history as Timothy the Cat in his place.

Archpriest John W. Morris
 
In the Coptic Orthodox Church, we attribute this song to St. Severus. There are some (apparently in the minority) who attribute it to St. Athanasius the Apostolic. None attribute it to Justinian (no surprise there) or St. John Chrysostom.

I’d actually never heard this hymn as sung by the Byzantines, so I just looked it up…it’s so different! :eek: I don’t think I would be able to recognize it at all if I couldn’t read the Greek. In the Coptic Orthodox Church, it is a very long, drawn out tune (yes, yes…isn’t everything? :D), though at least part of that is because there is additional text in the version preserved as part of the Coptic Liturgy of St. Basil.

Here it is as we know it in the Coptic Orthodox tradition, chanted by Cantor Ibrahim Ayad and the deacons of St. Athanasius the Apostolic Deacons School for the sixth hour of Good Friday.
 
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No one is the Eastern Orthodox Church attributes this hymn to St. John Chrysostom. Traditionally it has been attributed to Justinian, however, many modern historians believe that it was written by Severus of Antioch. If that is the case it only supports my argument that the real conflict was linguistic rather than theological and that Severus and others were wrong to accuse the Chalcedonians of Nestorianism. Instead, they should have taken the time to calmly discuss matters and try to understand what Chalcedon really meant instead of going into schism. I find it very difficult to read any neutral history of the Council of Ephesus of 449 and not come away with a very unfavorable view of Dioscorus. Dioscorus and his supporters grossly mistreated Flavian and refused to consider the Tome of Leo The real issue was probably not doctrine but that the non-Chalcedonians unfairly accused the Chalcedonians of Nestorianism, because they used different terminology than St. Cyril. Had they adopted the same tolerance that St. Cyril expressed in his letter to John of Antioch, the schism might have been avoided. The Byzantine Emperor had to send in troops to control the opponents of Chalcedon who In 457* lynched Proterus the Chalcedonian Patriarch of Alexandria in 457 and put a man known to history as Timothy the Cat in his place.

Archpriest John W. Morris
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Thanks, I’m not sure where I read it was attributed to St John Chrysostom. Either way I have made changes to the Blog and like you said, it doesn’t affect my main arguments. That
  1. It is a very old prayer
  2. Both Chalcedonians and Non-Chalcedonians believed the same thing.
dzheremi said:
In the Coptic Orthodox Church, we attribute this song to St. Severus. There are some (apparently in the minority) who attribute it to St. Athanasius the Apostolic. None attribute it to Justinian (no surprise there) or St. John Chrysostom.

I’d actually never heard this hymn as sung by the Byzantines, so I just looked it up…it’s so different! :eek: I don’t think I would be able to recognize it at all if I couldn’t read the Greek. In the Coptic Orthodox Church, it is a very long, drawn out tune (yes, yes…isn’t everything? :D), though at least part of that is because there is additional text in the version preserved as part of the Coptic Liturgy of St. Basil.

Here it is as we know it in the Coptic Orthodox tradition, chanted by Cantor Ibrahim Ayad and the deacons of St. Athanasius the Apostolic Deacons School for the sixth hour of Good Friday.
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A voice of a Nightingale!

here it is in Syriac
youtu.be/Sg2csjsA_NY?t=1m7s
 
shlomo3amrooh said:
Thanks, I’m not sure where I read it was attributed to St John Chrysostom. Either way I have made changes to the Blog and like you said, it doesn’t affect my main arguments. That
  1. It is a very old prayer
  2. Both Chalcedonians and Non-Chalcedonians believed the same thing.
A voice of a Nightingale!

here it is in Syriac
youtu.be/Sg2csjsA_NY?t=1m7s
Click to expand...
Not only is the hymn sung by the Byzantines, it is considered such an important statement of our Christology that it is sung at every Divine Liturgy during the Second Antiphon. It is only ommitted at Vesperal Divine Liturgy such as that of Holy Thursday and Saturday and by the Antiochians as an act of economy on the eve of major feast days that fall during the week because people cannot attend a Divine Liturgy on the morning of the feast because they have to work or go to school.

Archpriest John W. Morris
 
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