The ideal wife as per the Liturgy of the Hours today

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Hi folks,

I was wondering what you think of these descriptions of the ideal wife in the liturgy of the hours today?
First Reading
Proverbs 31:10-31 ©
A perfect wife – who can find her?
She is far beyond the price of pearls.
Her husband’s heart has confidence in her,
from her he will derive no little profit.
Advantage and not hurt she brings him
all the days of her life.
She is always busy with wool and with flax,
she does her work with eager hands.
She is like a merchant vessel
bringing her food from far away.
She gets up while it is still dark
giving her household their food,
giving orders to her serving girls.
She sets her mind on a field, then she buys it;
with what her hands have earned she plants a vineyard.
She puts her back into her work
and shows how strong her arms can be.
She finds her labour well worth while;
her lamp does not go out at night.
She sets her hands to the distaff,
her fingers grasp the spindle.
She holds out her hand to the poor,
she opens her arms to the needy.
Snow may come, she has no fears for her household,
with all her servants warmly clothed.
She makes her own quilts,
she is dressed in fine linen and purple.
Her husband is respected at the city gates,
taking his seat among the elders of the land.
She weaves linen sheets and sells them,
she supplies the merchant with sashes.
She is clothed in strength and dignity,
she can laugh at the days to come.
When she opens her mouth, she does so wisely;
on her tongue is kindly instruction.
She keeps good watch on the conduct of her household,
no bread of idleness for her.
Her sons stand up and proclaim her blessed,
her husband, too, sings her praises:
‘Many women have done admirable things,
but you surpass them all!’
Charm is deceitful, and beauty empty;
the woman who is wise is the one to praise.
Give her a share in what her hands have worked for,
and let her works tell her praises at the city gates.
Responsory
℟. She girds her loins with strength and makes her arms strong,* and so her lamp will never be extinguished.
℣. God will help her at the dawning of the day; God is with her, she cannot be shaken,* and so her lamp will never be extinguished.
Second Reading
An address by Pope Pius XII to newly married couples
The wife - the radiant sun of the family
The family is illuminated by its own radiant sun, which is the wife. Of her Scripture says, with feeling:
The grace of a wife will charm her husband,
her accomplishments will make him the stronger.
A silent wife is a gift from the Lord,
no price can be put on a well-trained character.
A modest wife is a boon twice over,
a chaste character cannot be weighed on scales.
Like the sun rising over the mountains of the Lord
is the beauty of a good wife in a well-kept house.
The wife and mother is indeed like the sun shining in the family. She shines by her generosity and the way she gives herself to others. She shines by her alertness and watchfulness and by her wise and gentle providing of all that can give joy to her husband and children. She radiates light and warmth.
A marriage will prosper if each partner goes into it not for his own happiness but the other’s happiness – but although it belongs to both partners, this emotion, this goal is particularly a quality of the woman. Her very nature as a mother entails it. Her wisdom and prudence mean that even if she encounters troubles she will respond to them with joy; if she is belittled, she will respond with unaltered dignity and respect. She is like the sun that brightens a cloudy morning with the dawn; the sun that illuminates the shower-clouds at dusk.
The wife is like the sun shining in the family with the brightness of her glance and the ardour of her speech. Her looks and words enter into the souls of her family, softening them, touching them, raising them up from the tumult of emotion. They recall her husband to joy in good things and delight in family life after his uninterrupted and often heavy work of the day, whether in an office, in the fields, in trade or in industry.
The wife is like the sun shining in the family by her unforced, transparent sincerity, by her simple dignity, by her decent Christian behaviour; by her inward thoughts and her upright heart; and also by the appropriateness of her dress and bearing, adorned by her open and honest way of life. Subtle signs of feeling, shades of expression, silences and unmalicious smiles, little nods of approval – all these give her the grace of an exquisite but simple flower opening its petals to reflect the colours of sunlight.
If only you could know the full depth of the feelings of love and gratitude that such a perfect wife and mother inspires in her husband and children!
Responsory
℟. The grace of a wife will charm her husband.* A modest wife is a two-fold boon.
℣. Like the sun rising over the mountains of the Lord is the beauty of a good wife in a well-kept house.* A modest wife is a two-fold boon.
Why does the church set up such standards that are so difficult for people to follow? What about the wife with post partum depression? What about the single mother? What about the wife with a dead beat husband? What about the wife who has kids who went off the rails? What about the working mom?

Then again, I suppose these portraits have one thing in common. The wife and the husband too, have to be focused in on the good of their spouse and family first and foremost. Even in all the difficult situations I listed, the mother and wife will be working towards those goals. Despite everything…

God bless,
Ut
 
Hi folks,

I was wondering what you think of these descriptions of the ideal wife in the liturgy of the hours today?

Why does the church set up such standards that are so difficult for people to follow? What about the wife with post partum depression? What about the single mother? What about the wife with a dead beat husband? What about the wife who has kids who went off the rails? What about the working mom?

Then again, I suppose these portraits have one thing in common. The wife and the husband too, have to be focused in on the good of their spouse and family first and foremost. Even in all the difficult situations I listed, the mother and wife will be working towards those goals. Despite everything…

God bless,

Ut
First of all, most of that is from Proverbs, so the early Church did not write it but rather commented and reflected on it. It is recognition that the female half of a marriage is not a second-class citizen

Secondly, if that isn’t a description of the “working mom” of the time it was written, I don’t know what is. It describes the closest thing to a professional woman that any woman not born to a royal family was ever going to be in those days. It was recognition that a woman like that was to be prized and not taken for granted by her family. There is nothing wrong with that.

As for your other complaints, I don’t think I need to tell you how life was for single mothers of that time. If they weren’t left without a husband for reasons that would get them stoned, they were widows with orphans, needing a good deal of charity or an enormous amount of pluck or both to keep from starving.

Thirdly, consider lightening up. We are not going to stop praising accomplished people because some other people have legitimate obstacles that limit their accomplishments. That is absurd.
 
Hi folks,

I was wondering what you think of these descriptions of the ideal wife in the liturgy of the hours today?

Why does the church set up such standards that are so difficult for people to follow? What about the wife with post partum depression? What about the single mother? What about the wife with a dead beat husband? What about the wife who has kids who went off the rails? What about the working mom?

Then again, I suppose these portraits have one thing in common. The wife and the husband too, have to be focused in on the good of their spouse and family first and foremost. Even in all the difficult situations I listed, the mother and wife will be working towards those goals. Despite everything…

God bless,
Ut
If something similar were written describing an ideal husband, providing for and sacrificing for his family. No one would mind…
 
I was wondering what you think of these descriptions of the ideal wife in the liturgy of the hours today?
I think it’s wonderful and we had this passage read at our wedding.
Why does the church set up such standards that are so difficult for people to follow?
Be ye perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect.

We are all called to holiness, to perfection of virtue and beatitude, to the beatific vision. God inspires the authors of scripture to speak to us of spritiual perfection that we may know the way to the Father.
What about the wife with post partum depression? What about the single mother? What about the wife with a dead beat husband? What about the wife who has kids who went off the rails? What about the working mom?
Sin and illness mar the world, and we are called to love and support those who have been sinned against, to proclaim the Good News of salvation and help our friends and family strive for holiness in their state in life.
 
Why does the church set up such standards that are so difficult for people to follow? What about the wife with post partum depression? What about the single mother? What about the wife with a dead beat husband? What about the wife who has kids who went off the rails? What about the working mom?
Thanks for posting this. I actually didn’t pray the Office of Readings this morning and would have missed this completely if not for you sharing your thoughts and concerns. God bless you for that! 🙂

Anyway, I’m a single mom – for over ten years now – and my son is now a teenager who has just passed me in height this month. :bighanky:

I love Proverbs 31 and have sought to grow in holiness in taking on the attitude of the woman described in these verses. My life is one of service to my family and my school community (I’m a public school teacher). I seek to be a vessel that brings God’s blessings into the lives of others. I seek to be responsible in meeting my obligations to the best of my ability. I rely on God to provide in means He desires. And when I fail, I run to confession (way too often these days :imsorry:).

Isn’t that ultimately what this chapter is describing – someone who seeks after holiness and strives to serve her community?

As for Pope Pius XII’s commentary, I think it both appropriate and fitting that he set the bar high – he is talking about perfection, and that is what we should all be striving after. That I cannot meet those very high standards with my community (son, students, their families, my mom, etc.) does not mean that I shouldn’t strive for them!

Let the examples of perfection be an encouragement, not a stumbling block.

God bless you!
 
I don’t know if I can name anything that no one could find fault with, at least not these days. (We live in contentious times, LOL.)
True. But the cry of unfair sexism would be much quieter if someone pointed out the duties of a good honorable man, and a holy husband.
 
If something similar were written describing an ideal husband, providing for and sacrificing for his family. No one would mind…
It’s there: Ephesians 25:31, Colossians 3:19-21, 1 Timothy 5:8, and 1 Peter 3:7. 😃

I especially like the Ephesians one: “Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.” That’s one heck of a sacrifice!
 
It’s there: Ephesians 25:31, Colossians 3:19-21, 1 Timothy 5:8, and 1 Peter 3:7. 😃

I especially like the Ephesians one: “Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.” That’s one heck of a sacrifice!
Yes, there is a wonderful group called E-5 men based on Ephesians.
 
Hi folks,

I was wondering what you think of these descriptions of the ideal wife in the liturgy of the hours today?

Why does the church set up such standards that are so difficult for people to follow? What about the wife with post partum depression? What about the single mother? What about the wife with a dead beat husband? What about the wife who has kids who went off the rails? What about the working mom?

Then again, I suppose these portraits have one thing in common. The wife and the husband too, have to be focused in on the good of their spouse and family first and foremost. Even in all the difficult situations I listed, the mother and wife will be working towards those goals. Despite everything…

God bless,
Ut
The standards I don’t think are set up by the church necessarily. If you look throughout history and all religions, those standards- the ones that are truly the most difficult to obtain- are those set for the people to reach. (side note: It used to be only the rich women were obese, and obesity was thought of as beauty then, not the waif look we have today- which was then what paupers were- Today it is the opposite!) No one sets a goals that are already reached. I think this is just a human thing… when humans want to strive to do better, that is.

I do think we are living in a day which has propelled the difficulty in attaining those standards. Confusion of the traditional gender roles would do this.

This woman in the Scripture passage is one who is married and works from home and seeks to utilize the resources she has at her possession to increase the good wealth of her family. Some of the attributes might be allegorical, and some of the meaning might be transformed a bit since it is from the Old Testament and must be read in the light of the Gospels.

Some of the obstacles people face is because of their sin. Hate to say that, but it is the truth. And since everyone has those sins that they struggle with, even so they will have those consequences (sooner or later) to deal with- being prosperous and admired or not. So we can’t read that passage as if you have all the praise and richness that the world can offer that somehow that means you are the perfect woman. No. It is taught that Mary and Joseph were poor or at least lived by modest means. The Blessed Mother is the Christian model for women. Her life and way, we can surmise, is not too far from the passage cited here, but you must think of both together.

… And yes, it is also true that undeserving people can face horrible obstacles as well. A lot of the people in Scripture had horrendous obstacles, but their faith got them through. When reading the passage you cited, I couldn’t help but compare what we know of The Blessed Mother- The line “she can laugh at the days to come”… I wonder if Mary did that, knowing what she was told- that a sword would pierce her own heart. I think though, the reward of being with God in heaven is enough to lift someone’s spirits even when the world shows its ugly face. Difficult,- WHEW! for sure. Not lovely or desirable to live through, yeppers… but Impossible?, … not with God; for anything for God is possible. (Matthew 19:26) We don’t please Him without faith. (Hebrews 11:6) Without those obstacles… how could we please him then? And what is admirable of someone if they hadn’t done what is extra and beyond- and said “yes” to striving to do it? What you are not hearing about that lady of proverbs are her difficulties!!! …

One of the things I remember about St. Padre Pio was that he said that your difficulties are like GOLD. He meant it! Sounds really backwards, huh? But its true if you seek God first. IN fact, most of the saints stories you will see how people with difficulties turning to God turned that “manure” of life into black gold compost. (if you don’t know about black gold compost… PLEASE look it up!!!.. Jesus’s teachings often were agricultural in meaning, and with most of the population not understanding basic agricultural themes, they might not understand the scripture!)

I don’t think that passage is supposed to be used as a measuring tool- as if you don’t have those things accomplished then you are nothing. I think that passage is a visage of what the rewards of goodness are, and that we are to seek to attain* that.* … not worldly places of admiration, seats in high places. The passage just says that her family sees her love for them and is thankful for all the help she provided and also see her love for God and praise it, naturally, as any one who feels loved and is thankful for the help they received.

Hope this helps.
 
It’s there: Ephesians 25:31, Colossians 3:19-21, 1 Timothy 5:8, and 1 Peter 3:7. 😃

I especially like the Ephesians one: “Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.” That’s one heck of a sacrifice!
YES! When I read that, I feel badly for men… I think its more of a hardship than what women are asked to do. (And that’s saying a lot since I already know how much women are asked to do… and think its super difficult!) The mens really need our support!
 
The standards I don’t think are set up by the church necessarily. If you look throughout history and all religions, those standards- the ones that are truly the most difficult to obtain- are those set for the people to reach. (side note: It used to be only the rich women were obese, and obesity was thought of as beauty then, not the waif look we have today- which was then what paupers were- Today it is the opposite!) No one sets a goals that are already reached. I think this is just a human thing… when humans want to strive to do better, that is.

I do think we are living in a day which has propelled the difficulty in attaining those standards. Confusion of the traditional gender roles would do this.

This woman in the Scripture passage is one who is married and works from home and seeks to utilize the resources she has at her possession to increase the good wealth of her family. Some of the attributes might be allegorical, and some of the meaning might be transformed a bit since it is from the Old Testament and must be read in the light of the Gospels.

Some of the obstacles people face is because of their sin. Hate to say that, but it is the truth. And since everyone has those sins that they struggle with, even so they will have those consequences (sooner or later) to deal with- being prosperous and admired or not. So we can’t read that passage as if you have all the praise and richness that the world can offer that somehow that means you are the perfect woman. No. It is taught that Mary and Joseph were poor or at least lived by modest means. The Blessed Mother is the Christian model for women. Her life and way, we can surmise, is not too far from the passage cited here, but you must think of both together.

… And yes, it is also true that undeserving people can face horrible obstacles as well. A lot of the people in Scripture had horrendous obstacles, but their faith got them through. When reading the passage you cited, I couldn’t help but compare what we know of The Blessed Mother- The line “she can laugh at the days to come”… I wonder if Mary did that, knowing what she was told- that a sword would pierce her own heart. I think though, the reward of being with God in heaven is enough to lift someone’s spirits even when the world shows its ugly face. Difficult,- WHEW! for sure. Not lovely or desirable to live through, yeppers… but Impossible?, … not with God; for anything for God is possible. (Matthew 19:26) We don’t please Him without faith. (Hebrews 11:6) Without those obstacles… how could we please him then? And what is admirable of someone if they hadn’t done what is extra and beyond- and said “yes” to striving to do it? What you are not hearing about that lady of proverbs are her difficulties!!! …

One of the things I remember about St. Padre Pio was that he said that your difficulties are like GOLD. He meant it! Sounds really backwards, huh? But its true if you seek God first. IN fact, most of the saints stories you will see how people with difficulties turning to God turned that “manure” of life into black gold compost. (if you don’t know about black gold compost… PLEASE look it up!!!.. Jesus’s teachings often were agricultural in meaning, and with most of the population not understanding basic agricultural themes, they might not understand the scripture!)

I don’t think that passage is supposed to be used as a measuring tool- as if you don’t have those things accomplished then you are nothing. I think that passage is a visage of what the rewards of goodness are, and that we are to seek to attain* that.* … not worldly places of admiration, seats in high places. The passage just says that her family sees her love for them and is thankful for all the help she provided and also see her love for God and praise it, naturally, as any one who feels loved and is thankful for the help they received.

Hope this helps.
Well stated.
 
I just showed my husband this and he laughed so hard, he has a stitch now. :rotfl:

I don’t know what he finds so funny, I do a lot of that stuff but I have no idea what “flax” is and I don’t have servant girls to give orders to.
 
I just showed my husband this and he laughed so hard, he has a stitch now. :rotfl:

I don’t know what he finds so funny, I do a lot of that stuff but I have no idea what “flax” is and I don’t have servant girls to give orders to.
We don’t have servant girls either.

We have failed as Catholics. 😊
 
First of all, most of that is from Proverbs, so the early Church did not write it but rather commented and reflected on it. It is recognition that the female half of a marriage is not a second-class citizen
Agreed.
Secondly, if that isn’t a description of the “working mom” of the time it was written, I don’t know what is. It describes the closest thing to a professional woman that any woman not born to a royal family was ever going to be in those days. It was recognition that a woman like that was to be prized and not taken for granted by her family. There is nothing wrong with that.
True.
As for your other complaints, I don’t think I need to tell you how life was for single mothers of that time. If they weren’t left without a husband for reasons that would get them stoned, they were widows with orphans, needing a good deal of charity or an enormous amount of pluck or both to keep from starving.
Thirdly, consider lightening up. We are not going to stop praising accomplished people because some other people have legitimate obstacles that limit their accomplishments. That is absurd.
Yep. Thanks for the reality check.

God bless,
Ut
 
I just showed my husband this and he laughed so hard, he has a stitch now. :rotfl:

I don’t know what he finds so funny, I do a lot of that stuff but I have no idea what “flax” is and I don’t have servant girls to give orders to.
I’m not sure it’s a good thing you showed him and he laughed…:eek:
 
I think it’s wonderful and we had this passage read at our wedding.

Be ye perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect.

We are all called to holiness, to perfection of virtue and beatitude, to the beatific vision. God inspires the authors of scripture to speak to us of spritiual perfection that we may know the way to the Father.

Sin and illness mar the world, and we are called to love and support those who have been sinned against, to proclaim the Good News of salvation and help our friends and family strive for holiness in their state in life.
Amen to that.

Ut
 
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