The Idle Tale - Luke 24:11

[Bill_Pick]

Oh no! I didn’t stop at Luke 24:11. I continued the reading, but I found it too funny to write about it. Yes, Peter rose and ran to the tomb, looked inside and went home marveling at what he saw: Linen cloths by themselves. Now, you tell me, is there anything more funny than to marvel at linen cloths by themselves? What does it mean, that Jesus left the tomb naked looking for the disciples? Please, have mercy on yourself!

Ben:

Ben Why do you keep blaspheming Our Lord Jesus Christ day after day Or why do the people here let you keep doing it ,you do know its a cathloic froum

 

[djconklin]

Originally Posted by djconklin
I repeat: Where’s the proof that this was plagiarism?

Only after you prove to me that Jesus was not married.

I don’t have to prove that claim for the simple reason being that i didn’t make it. You claimed it was case of plagiarism so the burden of proving that claim lies with you. You cannot prove a lie, so you might as well confess it and get it over with.

 

[djconklin]

Why do you keep blaspheming Our Lord Jesus Christ day after day

Excellant question!

Or why do the people here let you keep doing it ,you do know its a cathloic froum

Another good question–and this isn’t the only thread that spreads heresy.

 

[NDfan]

Oh no! I didn’t stop at Luke 24:11. I continued the reading, but I found it too funny to write about it. Yes, Peter rose and ran to the tomb, looked inside and went home marveling at what he saw: Linen cloths by themselves. Now, you tell me, is there anything more funny than to marvel at linen cloths by themselves? What does it mean, that Jesus left the tomb naked looking for the disciples? Please, have mercy on yourself!

Ben:

Ben I pray that GOD has mercy on you. I’ve read so many of your posts that contain nothing but your own interpretation of scripture which is very skewed.

You claim that Jesus left the tomb naked unclothed? For what reason? To give the appearance HE was resurrected?? To believe Jesus survived the crucifixion just shows your incredible ignorance. Let me ask can you name other people that actually survived a crucifixion? Given that it was a means of putting someone to DEATH how can you justify a ludicrous position that Jesus was the lone survivor of this barbaric practice? Try getting whipped in the back with leather strips interlaced with bone and metal about 40 times. Then try extending your arms out to the side nailed to a beam of wood that’s literally hanging from a post anchored to the ground for several hours where you have to push up enough for your diaphragm to expand to get a breath of air. Oh yes I forgot they had incredibly advanced medicine back then which included placing someone in a cold tomb to let their wounds heal so they could run out naked faking a resurrection.

I invite you to come to the emergency room with me for one day to witness someone that has been stabbed. Watch how they use this advanced medicine of a cold room to heal the person without any medicinal intervention. We just let them bleed uncontrollably because we know a cold room will be the magical healing place. Eventually we know they will get up and walk out although we have to make sure they turn in their hospital gowns so there’s a slight chance they will be walking around naked.

 

[Bill_Pick]

Ben I pray that GOD has mercy on you. I’ve read so many of your posts that contain nothing but your own interpretation of scripture which is very skewed.

You claim that Jesus left the tomb naked unclothed? For what reason? To give the appearance HE was resurrected?? To believe Jesus survived the crucifixion just shows your incredible ignorance. Let me ask can you name other people that actually survived a crucifixion? Given that it was a means of putting someone to DEATH how can you justify a ludicrous position that Jesus was the lone survivor of this barbaric practice? Try getting whipped in the back with leather strips interlaced with bone and metal about 40 times. Then try extending your arms out to the side nailed to a beam of wood that’s literally hanging from a post anchored to the ground for several hours where you have to push up enough for your diaphragm to expand to get a breath of air. Oh yes I forgot they had incredibly advanced medicine back then which included placing someone in a cold tomb to let their wounds heal so they could run out naked faking a resurrection.

I invite you to come to the emergency room with me for one day to witness someone that has been stabbed. Watch how they use this advanced medicine of a cold room to heal the person without any medicinal intervention. We just let them bleed uncontrollably because we know a cold room will be the magical healing place. Eventually we know they will get up and walk out although we have to make sure they turn in their hospital gowns so there’s a slight chance they will be walking around naked.

NDfan Thank you for a very good answer to a very ornoxious question.

 

[swariffin]

Today I was visited by a Christian who calls himself a “Messianic Jew.” After an hour of study about the resurrection, he got impatient with my lack of faith, and before he left he challenged me to produce the body if I couldn’t believe in Jesus’ resurrection. That’s what inspired me to share with you this topic for discussion.

Now, if we put ourselves together, and then put together whatever we can from reading the NT about the resurrection of Jesus, we will see that he did not resurrect. I would like to bring to your attention some points about that tale. Tale! Yes, and the term is not mine. I am borrowing it from Jesus’ own disciples who went even further by adding the adjective “idle.” Idle tale, they said. (Luke 24:11)

The women had reported the words of the “angel” that Jesus had resurrected. The disciples probably had never heard of such a thing. They had no choice but to discard their report as an idle tale. Now, think: If those who lived daily with Jesus, listening daily to his words, could not believe the report, how can we be expected to, after almost two thousand years of listening to a tale that just won’t get less idle?

When did the disciples ever change their minds about that idle tale? I wonder because about 30 years later, when Paul showed up in Jerusalem preaching that Jesus had resurrected, he almost got killed. Why? Was not the Sect of the Nazarenes
headquartered in Jerusalem? Yes, but that Jesus had resurrected was not in their agenda. The whole thing had been made up by Paul. Yes, all according to his gospel as he himself revealed it to his disciple Timothy. (II Tim. 2:8) Obviously, Paul needed that tale to promote his Cause, which turned out to be Christianity.

The resurrection of Jesus, therefore, can be accepted only and exclusively by faith because there is no evidence to substantiate the event. An empty tomb is no proof of resurrection. And the refusal at the time to produce the body does not diminish from the fact that the body was indeed removed from there. And the guards can never be taken as evidence of anything whatsoever, because they were set at the tomb area only late Saturday morning. The disciple who removed Jesus’ body from that tomb, most probably Joseph of Arimathea, had the whole night of Friday, and all for himself to act without any disturbance. And he did it because he had enough reasons to believe that, by not doing it, even during the hours of that Sabbath, Mary Magdalene would have done it instead, as she herself declared she would. (John 20:15) So, I wish the preachers of the resurrection would at least give Paul the credit that’s due him. (II Tim. 2:8)

Ben:

Which Christian denomination visited you, Ben?

 

[swariffin]

Ben Why do you keep blaspheming Our Lord Jesus Christ day after day Or why do the people here let you keep doing it ,you do know its a cathloic froum

I think there is no problem for us brother. Ben has the right not to believe in Jesus and the whole story about Him. If he accepts Jesus, he is no longer a Judaism Jews. So, it is normal for a non-Christian people (not only from Judasim to look at the bible), and interpret that in whatever way they think they are right.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Ben I pray that GOD has mercy on you. I’ve read so many of your posts that contain nothing but your own interpretation of scripture which is very skewed.

You claim that Jesus left the tomb naked unclothed? For what reason? To give the appearance HE was resurrected?? To believe Jesus survived the crucifixion just shows your incredible ignorance. Let me ask can you name other people that actually survived a crucifixion? Given that it was a means of putting someone to DEATH how can you justify a ludicrous position that Jesus was the lone survivor of this barbaric practice? Try getting whipped in the back with leather strips interlaced with bone and metal about 40 times. Then try extending your arms out to the side nailed to a beam of wood that’s literally hanging from a post anchored to the ground for several hours where you have to push up enough for your diaphragm to expand to get a breath of air. Oh yes I forgot they had incredibly advanced medicine back then which included placing someone in a cold tomb to let their wounds heal so they could run out naked faking a resurrection.

Sorry NDfan, but you have exhibited lack of knowledge of Josephus and other writers of the time not only of Israel but also throughout the Roman conquered world.
It was a matter of Roman policy to scourge the condemned to the cross with the purpose to break any urge to resistence. Read John 19:1. Nevertheless, more than several of the crucified would remain on the cross for even up to four or five days till they met death. Jesus was taken off the cross after only a few hours. Many others would have survived the cross if they had been taken off their crosses after a few hours.

Now, please, don’t tell me that you think Jesus was the only Jew to be crucified by the Romans. They crucified thousands of Jews before, during and after Jesus was gone. And about the spear-piercing, I recommend you to read my thread, “No spear-piercing at Jesus’ side.” I explain there why the Romans would never have done that.

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

Which Christian denomination visited you, Ben?

Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Pentecostals, a Bapbtist once, several Seventh-Day Adventists. If you are expecting to hear of Catholics, take it easy! None. They are bold only on line. They would not meet a Jew face to face. However, I had a sitting down with a Salesian priest, and a Capushin Franciscan Monk. I was disappointed. They had nothing to add to my knowledge of the Truth but only Church tradition. I wonder if this people read the Bible.

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

Ben Why do you keep blaspheming Our Lord Jesus Christ day after day Or why do the people here let you keep doing it ,you do know its a cathloic froum

I am not the one blasheming against Jesus but yourselves when you claim that he was what he never claimed to be. And regarding bringing my contribution to this forum, you should be reminded that I am in the NON-Catholic section of the Forum.
So, stop the cop-out that I am in the wrong place, because the truth is that you cannot
defend what you have committed yourself to. If you can’t, why don’t you give in to the Faith of Jesus, which was Judaism? Can you at least refute that Judaism was not the Faith of Jesus? No, you cannot. But you insist that you want him and not what he was.
You remind me of the sinner who wish to die the death of a saint but not to live the life of one.

Ben:

 

[Thing]

Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Pentecostals, a Bapbtist once, several Seventh-Day Adventists. If you are expecting to hear of Catholics, take it easy! None. They are bold only on line. They would not meet a Jew face to face. However, I had a sitting down with a Salesian priest, and a Capushin Franciscan Monk. I was disappointed. They had nothing to add to my knowledge of the Truth but only Church tradition. I wonder if this people read the Bible.

Ben:

I thought the Pope met the Jewish leaders on his visit to America, but the Jews were in a box and would not come outside to greet Pope Benedict XVI, like everyone else. The Pope had to go into the box to see them, and even then it was very brief - about enough time to hand them a letter, I think.

 

[Ben_Masada]

I thought the Pope met the Jewish leaders on his visit to America, but the Jews were in a box and would not come outside to greet Pope Benedict XVI, like everyone else. The Pope had to go into the box to see them, and even then it was very brief - about enough time to hand them a letter, I think.

Well, maybe the Jews behaved according to Isaiah 2:2,3 where it says that the Gentiles are supposed to address to Zion, the Jewish People.

Ben:

 

[Thing]

Prophecy Of Isaias

All nations shall flow to the church of Christ. The Jews shall be rejected for their sins. Idolatry shall be destroyed.

1 The word that Isaias the son of Amos saw, concerning Juda and Jerusalem. 2 And in the last days the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be prepared on the top of mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills, and all nations shall flow unto it.

Yes, full credit to them for showing up. But why hide in a box and not speak to the Pope?

 

[Bill_Pick]

Sorry NDfan, but you have exhibited lack of knowledge of Josephus and other writers of the time not only of Israel but also throughout the Roman conquered world.
It was a matter of Roman policy to scourge the condemned to the cross with the purpose to break any urge to resistence. Read John 19:1. Nevertheless, more than several of the crucified would remain on the cross for even up to four or five days till they met death. Jesus was taken off the cross after only a few hours. Many others would have survived the cross if they had been taken off their crosses after a few hours.

Now, please, don’t tell me that you think Jesus was the only Jew to be crucified by the Romans. They crucified thousands of Jews before, during and after Jesus was gone. And about the spear-piercing, I recommend you to read my thread, “No spear-piercing at Jesus’ side.” I explain there why the Romans would never have done that.

Ben:

Ben scoruging was integal part of the cruicifixion penatly…did you have the time to read about the three little pigs yet, it is also a good story.smile

 

[djconklin]

It was a matter of Roman policy to scourge the condemned to the cross with the purpose to break any urge to resistence.

I’d like to see the source for that claim. Scourging alone could kill a man. That, and since Jesus had eaten since Thursday nite or slept since Wednesday is why He collapsed carrying the cross.

Many others would have survived the cross if they had been taken off their crosses after a few hours.

Not even close. Josephus saw some of his friends on crosses and was able to get permision to bring them down and despite the best medical care they had at that time two of the three died. This is the only known cases of anyone surviving crucifixion.

In addition for your theory to work you’d have to assume that the Romans didn’t know how to kill people.

There is no documented case of anyone laying on a cold stone slab while deathly ill/wounded being able to recover so well that they could then pass through walls.

 

[Bill_Pick]

I’d like to see the source for that claim. Scourging alone could kill a man. That, and since Jesus had eaten since Thursday nite or slept since Wednesday is why He collapsed carrying the cross.

Not even close. Josephus saw some of his friends on crosses and was able to get permision to bring them down and despite the best medical care they had at that time two of the three died. This is the only known cases of anyone surviving crucifixion.

In addition for your theory to work you’d have to assume that the Romans didn’t know how to kill people.

There is no documented case of anyone laying on a cold stone slab while deathly ill/wounded being able to recover so well that they could then pass through walls.

ben just love putting rubbish out to Christians

 

[Bill_Pick]

Hello!
Ben lets get it right
It is obvious that the disciples didn’t fully understood Jesus’ nature until after his death and resurrection. The incarnation-God becoming man-is a difficult concept even for modern believers to fully comprehend. If you are going to accept part of the Christian writings as truthful, shouldn’t you accept the biblical account of Jesus’ resurrection as truthful?

The crucifixion of Christ is recorded in all four gospels: Matthew 27:33-44; Mark 15:22-32; Luke 23:33-43; John 19:17-30.Crucifixion is the process where a person is nailed or bound to a cross or a stake. It was first used by the Persians and later by the Egyptians, Carthaginians, and Romans as a form of capital punishment. Alexander the Great introduced it to the Mediterranean area and the Romans perfected it as a means of capital punishment.Normally, there was a permanent stake in the ground. The victim carried the crossbar on his back to the stake. The crossbar usually weighed between 50 and 75 lbs. Sometimes the person was nailed to the crossbar, other times he was tied to it. The crossbar, and victim, were then hoisted into place. One method was to hoist the crossbar into a notch on top of the stake so the whole thing looked like a T. Another method was to place the crossbeam a few feet below the top making a cross. Yet another method was to nail or tie the person to a single stake in the ground. Usually a small sign on a pole with the crime written on it was carried ahead of the victim in front of the procession to the cross. It was then nailed to the cross above the head of the victim.When nails were used, they were driven through the wrists between the radial and ulna bones and not through the palms since the nail would have ripped through the palm because the palm could not withstand all the weight of the body.

 

[djconklin]

ben just love putting rubbish out to Christians

The problem comes in when young believers see this nonsense and don’t recognize it as such might believe it to be true.

 

[Ben_Masada]

ben just love putting rubbish out to Christians

Who are unable to refute it without assumptions.

 

[Ben_Masada]

I’d like to see the source for that claim. Scourging alone could kill a man. That, and since Jesus had eaten since Thursday nite or slept since Wednesday is why He collapsed carrying the cross.