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djconklin
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He makes it sounds like he already does have a thread. But he is being coy about telling us where it is. Perhaps he isn’t doing too well there either.
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Lapell
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My understanding from reading the NT is that it was not the whole Jewish people, very far from it, and since the Prophet Ezechiel stated it, I also believe that no one should pay for somebody else’s wrongs, just for his/her own wrongs. Hence no one in our time should “pay” for having killed Jesus but the culprits if there are any. To my knowledge, no one man or woman on earth is known to be 1940 years old or more, so it’s pretty safe to say that the culprits aren’t among us any more…**Well, my friend, the NT is one of those books, because that Jesus was killed as a result of a Jewish plot, I read in the NT. Even the Dictator Assad of Syria was caught on the TV by myself wondering why the Americans protect the killers of Jesus when it is all clear in the NT. What do you say?
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Lapell
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Moreover, in my school, as kids (at least in my years there) we were taught that it was all the sins of all the people of the world that were responsible for Jesus’ death on the cross…
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djconklin
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And His love for us kept Him there.
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Lapell
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Also correct!
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MHalsey
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Here is the thread Ben is referring to:
http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=312438
It’s possible Ben just doesn’t know how to include a link.
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djconklin
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How hard is it to cut-and-paste?
There’s even an insert link button right above the screen/box where one types in one’s reply!
Like earthquakes in the last week: earthquakes.tafoni.net/ or for the last week, day and hour(!): earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/
There’s even an insert link button right above the screen/box where one types in one’s reply!
Like earthquakes in the last week: earthquakes.tafoni.net/ or for the last week, day and hour(!): earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/
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Ben_Masada
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**That’s normal. When we are kids we are fed with kid stuff. When we grow and become adults, we must get used to things of grown up people.
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Ben_Masada
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**So, why people keep blaming the Jews for having killed Jesus? Why did the Pope John 23rd find need to apologize to the Jewish People for the antisemitic false accusation of almost two thousand years that the Jews have killed Jesus? There must be something that still remains. And I think the word is Jealousy.
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swariffin
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Why the Catholics must be jealous to the Jews? Hitler hate the Jews because it were the Jewish factory owners who persuaded German’s leader to surrender in WWI, to avoid destruction of their factories in Germany. In that case, Hitler believe that the Jews were provoking the Germans to their lost in WWI. When he came to power, he persecuted the Jews, and all parties who helped the Jews including 3 Catholics bishops and 1683 priests during the holocaust. Why should we be jealous to the Jews, when there were no Jewish country before 1947. Even today the Hamas are willing to kick them back to the sea as they lauch their Jihad to retake what we know as the Israel state today.**So, why people keep blaming the Jews for having killed Jesus? Why did the Pope John 23rd find need to apologize to the Jewish People for the antisemitic false accusation of almost two thousand years that the Jews have killed Jesus? There must be something that still remains. And I think the word is Jealousy.
Ben:
Privately, why should I blame the Jews for they were just eating too much s*** of Kayafas and the gang, in order to kill Jesus? Even Jesus Himself has forgiven them from the cross.
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djconklin
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Being an avid student of WW1 history I’d like to see some proof for that.
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swariffin
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Oh Great, I am learning from you. I am willing to drop what I have known about something important, if somebody give me a better perspective. Why do you think that Hitler hate the Jews? It has to be something great. Hitler could not hate any specific race out of nothing.
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Ben_Masada
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**There you are back on the saddle again accusing or implying that the Jews killed Jesus. You guys never learn! Yes, Jesus forgave the Gentiles for crucifying him; and I forgive you too.
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Thing
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Everyone killed Jesus, since it was for all our sakes that He came into the world, and died.**So, why people keep blaming the Jews for having killed Jesus? Why did the Pope John 23rd find need to apologize to the Jewish People for the antisemitic false accusation of almost two thousand years that the Jews have killed Jesus? There must be something that still remains. And I think the word is Jealousy.
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However, the Scriptures state that the jewish leaders acting out of fear and hatred saught and eventually found a way to kill Jesus.
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Ben_Masada
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**The Scriptures state! Which Scriptures your private Scriptures? Definitely not the Scriptures that Jesus used to handle, but Scripture that Jesus himself never dreamed would come about, 30 years after he had been gone.
That’s an antisemitic lie that the Jews killed Jesus. It makes no sense to anyone but only to the anti-Semite. There is nothing more important in the life of a Jew than the Law that Jesus came to confirm and preserve. (Mat. 5:17-19)
The Jews would never kill or deliver to the occupiers of our Land, a Jew like Jesus. There was never in the Jews of Jesus’ time hatred of Jesus. If there is any hatred is today in the hearts of Christians who insist on perpetuating the antisemitic lie that the Jews killed Jesus.
That’s a shame that Christians, and specially Catholics refuse to confirm the words of their own Pope John 23rd, that the time has arrived to stop lying with the false antisemitic accusation that Jews killed Jesus. I am sorry but I had to express my protest against this hatred that just seems not to want to die.
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djconklin
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What does that mean?
Now its a perspoective? I thought you had facts to support it.
I don’t know, or care, why he hated the Jews. The Nazi’s also killed the handicapped, union leaders, communists, gypises, Protestants and Catholics. People who do not follow God, hate. People who do follow God, love. Watch even today how people react to things and you’ll know who is a follower of God and who is not.
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djconklin
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If you “read” the OT very carefully, you’ll find that a lamb was slain for the sins of Adam and Eve. Abel offered a sacrifice for his sins.
BTW, modern scholarship is bringing the date of the NT in closer to the time of His death. Thessalonians, for instance, was written in the early 50’s and contains references to Matthew (which I think was written as early as 35-40 A.D. and possibly earlier than that). When the Gospels were written really isn’t relevant–we are dealing with people who were primarily oral.
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The Gospel according to St. Mark**The Scriptures state! Which Scriptures your private Scriptures? Definitely not the Scriptures that Jesus used to handle, but Scripture that Jesus himself never dreamed would come about, 30 years after he had been gone.
That’s an antisemitic lie that the Jews killed Jesus. It makes no sense to anyone but only to the anti-Semite. There is nothing more important in the life of a Jew than the Law that Jesus came to confirm and preserve. (Mat. 5:17-19)
The Jews would never kill or deliver to the occupiers of our Land, a Jew like Jesus. There was never in the Jews of Jesus’ time hatred of Jesus. If there is any hatred is today in the hearts of Christians who insist on perpetuating the antisemitic lie that the Jews killed Jesus.
That’s a shame that Christians, and specially Catholics refuse to confirm the words of their own Pope John 23rd, that the time has arrived to stop lying with the false antisemitic accusation that Jews killed Jesus. I am sorry but I had to express my protest against this hatred that just seems not to want to die.
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The first part of the history of the passion of Christ.
1 Now the feast of the pasch, and of the Azymes was after two days; and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might by some wile lay hold on him, and kill him.
And Jesus said:
21 And the Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man shall be betrayed. It were better for him, if that man had not been born.
And what happened:
43 And while he was yet speaking, cometh Judas Iscariot, one of the twelve: and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and the scribes and the ancients. 44 And he that betrayed him, had given them a sign, saying: Whomsoever I shall kiss, that is he; lay hold on him, and lead him away carefully. 45 And when he was come, immediately going up to him, he saith: Hail, Rabbi; and he kissed him.
46 But they laid hands on him, and held him. 47 And one of them that stood by, drawing a sword, struck a servant of the chief priest, and cut off his ear.
Catholics are not afraid of the truth. The Apostles were all jewish, the Chief Priests, scribes and ancients were all jewish, Judas Iscariot was jewish, Jesus was jewish.
The whole scene and story is a jewish one.
The Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, Chinese, Native Americans did not know who Jesus was, and did not care.
Jesus only had significance to the jewish peoples who were waiting patiently for their Messiah. The jews accepted Jesus as their Messiah in crowds, but the jewish leaders mostly could not accept him. Only the jewish leaders had something to lose by Jesus’ presence and something to gain by His death.
Your attempts to shut people up by whining about anti-semitism are embarrassing and puerile.
We are talking about 4 jewish men, the four evangelists, writing the history of jewish events involving jewish characters as they themselves witnessed them in a jewish setting.
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Ben_Masada
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And perpetuation of the lies continue.
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Ben_Masada
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Assumptions! A gospel of assumptions.
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