The Iglesia Ni Cristo(Felix Manalo version)

[read_me]

Whether we separate Jesus and God does not matter, we understand what we believe. That is the reason why we answer your challenges to the Church. Please understand that history and logic will always support the Catholic truth forever.

If you say the Bible is holy and the Word of God, who told you that? If you follow the 66-book canon instead of the 73-book canon, who told you that? How did the Christians have the Bible? Did you know that Jesus Christ built a church to deposit and spread the truth and never left the “bible” for understanding the truth?

If the Catholic Church apostatised in the 3rd century, Jesus Christ did not protected the Church as He promised.

I am surprised that the promises Jesus gave to the Church did not apply forever to the orginal Church, but has to apply to the INC as well. Jesus Christ built 2 churches, instead of one, according to your doctrines. The first is on Peter, the rock and second on Manalo, the winner (of what?).

Woahh. finally, i am been busy building my site. But wait, what did you have said? the history of the catholic church is the basis for it is the true church? Well, I AGREE to you, not on that catholic church is the true church but on studying its HISTORY. Do YOU KNOW the HISTORY of the TRINITY? Is it a doctrine of the APOSTLES? or the INVENTION of the CHURCH FATHERS? HAHA. SEE? one of the sign of its apostasy is that the people or the leaders on the catholic church will lead the members to evil. Like formulating such doctrines after THE DEATH OF THE APOSTLES. Now, can you say again that the catholic church is not apostatized?

Jesus Christ not built 2 churches as you said, it is only that the church of christ that he built years ago was apostatized because of the wrongness that it has been add or made. So, in the bible you will see that because of that, there will be one flock in the future and the church of christ in the first century will be continue and thats fulfilled when the INC or Church of Christ emerged in the ends of the earth or in 1914.

 

[Catholic4evr]

Woahh. finally, i am been busy building my site. But wait, what did you have said? the history of the catholic church is the basis for it is the true church? Well, I AGREE to you, not on that catholic church is the true church but on studying its HISTORY. Do YOU KNOW the HISTORY of the TRINITY? Is it a doctrine of the APOSTLES? or the INVENTION of the CHURCH FATHERS? HAHA. SEE? one of the sign of its apostasy is that the people or the leaders on the catholic church will lead the members to evil. Like formulating such doctrines after THE DEATH OF THE APOSTLES. Now, can you say again that the catholic church is not apostatized?

Jesus Christ not built 2 churches as you said, it is only that the church of christ that he built years ago was apostatized because of the wrongness that it has been add or made. So, in the bible you will see that because of that, there will be one flock in the future and the church of christ in the first century will be continue and thats fulfilled when the INC or Church of Christ emerged in the ends of the earth or in 1914.

You are always quoting the Bible for authority and doctrines. How did you know that the Bible which you highly revere is Holy? The other flock Jesus mentionede did not pertain to you (inc), but to the gentiles which must be brought to God’s flock.

Medical question: what happens when the head is cut-off? Is it possible to attach a severed head to another body and live again?
Moral question: If the wife left the husband but she is still living, can the husband re-marry?

 

[as84blueangel]

continuation…

Jesus is never called God in the Synoptic Gospels, and a passage like MK. 10:18 would seem to preclude the possibility that Jesus used the title of himself. Even the fourth Gospel never portrays Jesus as saying specifically that he is God. (TEV)

Have y0u ever read j0hn 20:28 when thomas said " y0u are my l0rd and my G0d." d0nt tell me th0mas was wr0ng because jesus didnt c0rrect him.
TRINITY-the w0rd cant be f0und in the bible but G0d is 0ne. Read j0hn 17:21-22 “may they all be one,as you Father are in me and iam in you.” the Holy Spirit is a Divine Person equal to and distinct from the Father and from the Son. He is the very love of Father and Son.
3 DIUINE PERSONS ARE EQUAL: G0D the Father does not come first,then the Son, and then the Holy Spirit. All 3 divine persons are equally eternal,with no beginning and no end. We often forget that FATHER and SON are relational terms,and presume that the father comes first,and then the son. But this isnt true. A man is a person and a husband but not a father until he has a son or daughter. Father and son are corelational terms: one exists in relation to the other. So God the Father and God the Son realate to each other and are equally eternal. One doesnt come before the other. The same for the Spirit,who is the
BREATH of the Father and the Son. Breath and breather are simultaneous. Neither comes before the other.

 

[Bill_Pick]

Did you know that Felix Manalo didnt know that he is the Last Messenger when he established his Church? He Claimed that he is the Last messenger of God until 1922 because that is the invention of one of his disciple. Felix Manalo died with Ulcer, like Judas, he Died with bleeding Stomach. He have 2 wife, he persecute the Church, he have no knowledge about the Truth. He used his Religion to Threaten a judge. . . Iglesia NI Cristo Manalo’s Company is a totally Business. My revelation to that Anti-Christ Church is, there’s no other qualified to be the Head of their Church, but Manalo Family Only. It is the Hidden business of Manalo Family. And why Felix Manalo the False Christ and Prophet had confessed to a Catholic Priest? He Confessed that the Church he Established is false? Did he Confessed that he is confused with his Faith? Or Did He Confessed that he is in error when he Established his Church(INC)? Or he Confessed that his Church is still INComplete? his Knowledge is INComplete? Or he is INCorrect?!

Is he the one that started THE CHURCH OF GOD and is the churchs of god a cult , or may be it is the church of Christ,I think one of them is a cult===can any one help me with this

 

[read_me]

You are always quoting the Bible for authority and doctrines. How did you know that the Bible which you highly revere is Holy? The other flock Jesus mentionede did not pertain to you (inc), but to the gentiles which must be brought to God’s flock.

Medical question: what happens when the head is cut-off? Is it possible to attach a severed head to another body and live again?
Moral question: If the wife left the husband but she is still living, can the husband re-marry?

“And I have other sheep that are not of this fold…" Christ called them his other sheep to distinguish them from his sheep that were already in the flock during his time. Christ said “I have other sheep that are not of this fold”, because it would still be “in the future” that they would be made into one flock.

Medical question: answer is no. But i know the one you want to say. And i will just say that, dont mean the bible LITERALLY.
Moral Q: No. how bout you, what is your point about your Q?

 

[4Squarebaby]

Is he the one that started THE CHURCH OF GOD and is the churchs of god a cult , or may be it is the church of Christ,I think one of them is a cult===can any one help me with this

Iglesia ni Cristo translates into Church of Christ. Think Jehovah’s Witness married to Pinoy nationalism and there you are. Because so many Filipinos and their wedding day converted spouses are members they are larger then JW’s worldwide but since they are ghettoized in Filipino communities don’t get as much notice.

 

[jamil_joseph02]

hey, another INC thread to mess up!

 

[4Squarebaby]

hey, another INC thread to mess up!

As far as I can tell this forum holds no prejudice against bumping forward old threads. It also doesn’t tell members to search for old threads before posting a new topic.

 

[choy]

oh, yah! ALWAYS and ALWAYS, the john 1:12-18 again!!! that verse is the only one i think the evidence of the people who says that jesus is god, right?? hehe and because of others misunderstood about that, they just believe to it. because you know?? others are not truly understand what is in the bible, you know why?? it is because some or most of the verses in the bible are always understand LITERALLY. like what that john 1:14-18 is… huh…
ok… this was my post in other forum in here, just to show you what really means that verse,

its funny that when the INC would like to make a scripture into their law or their version of the truth, they`re very comfortable with quoting a small section of the Bible and pushing that part of a verse as the basis of their belief. but if you wield the same verse or verses at them they say its inconclusive because its only one verse or chapter in the entire Bible that says that.

 

[polang1234]

Whether we separate Jesus and God does not matter, we understand what we believe. That is the reason why we answer your challenges to the Church. Please understand that history and logic will always support the Catholic truth forever.

If you say the Bible is holy and the Word of God, who told you that? If you follow the 66-book canon instead of the 73-book canon, who told you that? How did the Christians have the Bible? Did you know that Jesus Christ built a church to deposit and spread the truth and never left the “bible” for understanding the truth?

If the Catholic Church apostatised in the 3rd century, Jesus Christ did not protected the Church as He promised.

I am surprised that the promises Jesus gave to the Church did not apply forever to the orginal Church, but has to apply to the INC as well. Jesus Christ built 2 churches, instead of one, according to your doctrines. The first is on Peter, the rock and second on Manalo, the winner (of what?).

Catholic4evr,
No sense of arguing with readme. Have you heard the word brainwash?
The INC members are discourage to read the bible, they only rely to the teachings of there ministers. If only INC members will read the bible, majority of them will be Catholics.
What readme posted here is not his own, he copied it from somebody.
If you notice, he can’t answer some questions, because he doesn’t know the bible.
Do you want to know something about the INC? It was exposed by one of there former minister Bro. Abner Martizano. Go to youtube.com and search for “Exclusive interview with former INC-minister”, part 1 to 21. You will be surprise.

 

[w_stewart]

Have y0u ever read j0hn 20:28 when thomas said " y0u are my l0rd and my G0d." d0nt tell me th0mas was wr0ng because jesus didnt c0rrect him.

Indeed, the INC ministers find it more convenient to accuse Thomas of committing error than admitting that Christ is God.

 

[read_me]

Catholic4evr,
No sense of arguing with readme. Have you heard the word brainwash?
The INC members are discourage to read the bible, they only rely to the teachings of there ministers. If only INC members will read the bible, majority of them will be Catholics.
What readme posted here is not his own, he copied it from somebody.
If you notice, he can’t answer some questions, because he doesn’t know the bible.
Do you want to know something about the INC? It was exposed by one of there former minister Bro. Abner Martizano. Go to youtube.com and search for “Exclusive interview with former INC-minister”, part 1 to 21. You will be surprise.

ok… again… a myth about the INC. always and always catholics invents and use propagandas just to debunk or have many people have negative impression to the INC. ok. if thats who you really are! haha and yes. i admit it. even in my blog, that im just a beginner reading the bible and seeking the whole truth about INC teachings and show it to the blind believers of the apostatized and even false religions. if you only knows about me, my age and everything, then thats the time you will give your opinon about me!

 

[read_me]

Have y0u ever read j0hn 20:28 when thomas said " y0u are my l0rd and my G0d." d0nt tell me th0mas was wr0ng because jesus didnt c0rrect him.
TRINITY-the w0rd cant be f0und in the bible but G0d is 0ne. Read j0hn 17:21-22 “may they all be one,as you Father are in me and iam in you.” the Holy Spirit is a Divine Person equal to and distinct from the Father and from the Son. He is the very love of Father and Son.
3 DIUINE PERSONS ARE EQUAL: G0D the Father does not come first,then the Son, and then the Holy Spirit. All 3 divine persons are equally eternal,with no beginning and no end. We often forget that FATHER and SON are relational terms,and presume that the father comes first,and then the son. But this isnt true. A man is a person and a husband but not a father until he has a son or daughter. Father and son are corelational terms: one exists in relation to the other. So God the Father and God the Son realate to each other and are equally eternal. One doesnt come before the other. The same for the Spirit,who is the
BREATH of the Father and the Son. Breath and breather are simultaneous. Neither comes before the other.

ok, so when the time thomas said that, is he PREACHING? or his statement is a reaction of AMAZEMENT because he saw jesus alive even he is already died!!
my question is, in your quoted verse, cant you understand that the meaning of it is just the UNITY of the father and the son? hello! if jesus is god, why he is always introduce god, THE FATHER, as the only true god? why then he did not say that he is god? or he is just making lies? but i know is that jesus does not commit sin… so, if you say jesus is god so they make him liar because he introduce himself as a son of god not what you claim GOD-SON

 

[read_me]

Indeed, the INC ministers find it more convenient to accuse Thomas of committing error than admitting that Christ is God.

please understand the bible clearly… thomas said my lord and my god to jesus. but jesus said before that for a SPIRIT DOES NOT HAVE FLESH AND BONES but see i have. he said that because the disciples mistake him for a SPIRIT…

 

[marlo]

Read what Dr. Ryrie said regarding the Logos

INC ministers removed what he really meant, read this link

examineiglesianicristo.com/honesty3.html

Also,

Dr. Ryrie said:

If that is not clear enough to say that i believe in the full deity and equality of chirst,Let anyone read the notes of John 10:30 and 20:28.
the doctrinal summary in the back of the Bible under Trinity is also quite clear

…
**such lack of integrity in quoting me or lack of scholarship in the misuse of word **scarcely requires responding…

He truly believes that Christ is God.

Moreover, Ryrie study bible explains that logos, the greek equivalent of the term “word” in john 1:1 14 means a “thought or concept” (p. 1599).

 

[Clark_Gabriel]

ok… again… a myth about the INC. always and always catholics invents and use propagandas just to debunk or have many people have negative impression to the INC. ok.

**Why don’t you think about the opposite? Have you ever thought that it’s INC whose doing the negative propagandas so that you members of INC will have negative impression in Catholicism?

Did you ever think that Manalo and his followers only invented these things?
Think, 1914, INC was established on this year by Manalo. Do really believe that Christ abandoned His Church for almost 2000 years due to apostasy?
Have ever thought that the Bible you are using now was compiled, translated and canonized by the Church you said that is “apostatized”? If the latter is true, why would you use the Bible?**

if thats who you really are! haha

You keep writing this “haha”. Please don’t show your immaturity here. I understand that that “haha” may be a Filipino expression.

and yes. i admit it. even in my blog, that im just a beginner reading the bible and seeking the whole truth about INC teachings and show it to the blind believers of the apostatized and even false religions.

If you’ll be one-sided and firm of what Manalo is teaching you, you will never find the Truth.

if you only knows about me, my age and everything, then thats the time you will give your opinon about me!

One thing is for sure. You are immature. With all your “haha”, are those significant?

 

[marlo]

Spirit does not have flesh and Bones, but God manifested in the flesh has blood.
Read Acts 20:28 so that you will know that Christ As God has blood

28Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

Read it in the Original Greek, (all Greek manuscript is the same and unanimous)

prosexete oun eautoiv kai panti tw| poimniw en w umav to pneuma to agion eyeto episkopouv poimainein thn ekklhsian tou** yeou** hn periepoihsato dia tou idiou aimatov

please understand the bible clearly… thomas said my lord and my god to jesus. but jesus said before that for a SPIRIT DOES NOT HAVE FLESH AND BONES but see i have. he said that because the disciples mistake him for a SPIRIT…

 

[marlo]

as a Filipino, hahaha is a laugh and is used in this thread as a sarcastic expression, a sign of boastfulness and lack of respect.

**Why don’t you think about the opposite? Have you ever thought that it’s INC whose doing the negative propagandas so that you members of INC will have negative impression in Catholicism?

Did you ever think that Manalo and his followers only invented these things?
Think, 1914, INC was established on this year by Manalo. Do really believe that Christ abandoned His Church for almost 2000 years due to apostasy?
Have ever thought that the Bible you are using now was compiled, translated and canonized by the Church you said that is “apostatized”? If the latter is true, why would you use the Bible?**

You keep writing this “haha”. Please don’t show your immaturity here. I understand that that “haha” may be a Filipino expression.

If you’ll be one-sided and firm of what Manalo is teaching you, you will never find the Truth.

One thing is for sure. You are immature. With all your “haha”, are those significant?

 

[choy]

actually, a giggle at the end of sentences is a sub-concious way for Filipinos to try do dispel some tension or to avoid been seen as too serious. too much seriousness is usually frowned upon in everyday circles. statements like, “pare, ang seryoso mo naman (friend, you’re taking it way too seriously)” and “kina-career mo na ah (you’re making it into a career. another for of ridicule to someone who takes something too seriously).” so Filipinos tend to giggle at the end of sentences way too seriously to dispel that seriousness.

its a cultural thing. i know its off topic but i’d just like to explain it a little bit

 

[w_stewart]

please understand the bible clearly… thomas said my lord and my god to jesus. but jesus said before that for a SPIRIT DOES NOT HAVE FLESH AND BONES but see i have. he said that because the disciples mistake him for a SPIRIT…

Oh? So John was also in error when he said the Word was God,** made flesh** and dwelt among us?