The Iglesia Ni Cristo(Felix Manalo version)

[ferdie]

Questions for INC

1. Why can’t other people other than a Manalo lead the Iglesia Ni Cristo?
2. How do you choose your new leader?
3. How do you justify the process you use in electing a new leader?

 

[choy]

Questions for INC

1. Why can’t other people other than a Manalo lead the Iglesia Ni Cristo?
2. How do you choose your new leader?
3. How do you justify the process you use in electing a new leader?

wouldn’t #2 answer #1? it seems that the elder Manalo would groom the next leader from one of his children

and for #3, INCs don’t believe in democracy. they have to be told who to vote for the Philippine president and all other elected leaders in the Philippines. i doubt that they will elect amongst themselves who will be their own leader

 

[read_me]

**Why don’t you think about the opposite? Have you ever thought that it’s INC whose doing the negative propagandas so that you members of INC will have negative impression in Catholicism?

Did you ever think that Manalo and his followers only invented these things?
Think, 1914, INC was established on this year by Manalo. Do really believe that Christ abandoned His Church for almost 2000 years due to apostasy?
Have ever thought that the Bible you are using now was compiled, translated and canonized by the Church you said that is “apostatized”? If the latter is true, why would you use the Bible?**

You keep writing this “haha”. Please don’t show your immaturity here. I understand that that “haha” may be a Filipino expression.

If you’ll be one-sided and firm of what Manalo is teaching you, you will never find the Truth.

One thing is for sure. You are immature. With all your “haha”, are those significant?

please elaborate that you called ‘propagandas’ of INC to CC^_^ because, how could INC
have propagandas to CC if they themselves (who converted to INC) proves about the ‘propagandas’ you are calling. that’s why they converted to INC because they knew that there are wrong in your doctrines.

and why not if the CC is not the true church because of the apostasy because the original beliefs of the 1st century christians are changed because of the man made doctrines of the next church administration after the death of the apostles took place. do you think God will be glad even jesus if what he taught about god’s words in the past will be change?? and that’s right. the one who translated and whatever to the bible was the CC that but DOES NOT taught it properly… i mean the true doctrines of god, because it is said that false prophets will come and that’s why the members will be led away to the original faith, and that what was happened, right. about the formulations of the doctrines inside the CC.
and sorry for that you dont understand “haha” that you even thinks of it negative. Sorry, i thought you were a filipino because many of who i debate on this site, what i was encounter was filipinos. “haha” is not mean negative. It is just ahmmm. how can i… oh
right. it is just a sound of laugh. like hehehe, or hahaha. try to read it then speak it.

and i am not one sided, if you just know that i loved to explore diff. religions but my faith will be remained to the INC. But if i have just time to do it, i will! and i just want first to explore the teachings outside christianity. for example, the Islam religion… ahmm. taoism, something like that^^ but if you have something knowledge about that, you can share it to me and i will listen^^

 

[read_me]

Oh? So John was also in error when he said the Word was God,** made flesh** and dwelt among us?

no! john doesnt have error, it is to whom saying that jesus is god because they did not understand really that verse. If the word was god then…

How can be God (word) with God?

if you say that the word was god means there are two gods!
because it said that “and the word WAS WITH GOD”…
then you contradict yourself…

 

[read_me]

actually, a giggle at the end of sentences is a sub-concious way for Filipinos to try do dispel some tension or to avoid been seen as too serious. too much seriousness is usually frowned upon in everyday circles. statements like, “pare, ang seryoso mo naman (friend, you’re taking it way too seriously)” and “kina-career mo na ah (you’re making it into a career. another for of ridicule to someone who takes something too seriously).” so Filipinos tend to giggle at the end of sentences way too seriously to dispel that seriousness.

its a cultural thing. i know its off topic but i’d just like to explain it a little bit

oh, thank you for that choy, so that marlo will not understand that “haha” as a negative. personally, yes. i used it “haha” because i dont make things TOO meaning OVER serious. The topic must be serious, yes. But being not a serious person and i only just to remind that this debating into our own beliefs must not taken personally, right? we and everyone is a friend and this debating i think should not tend to personal. that’s all.

 

[choy]

no! john doesnt have error, it is to whom saying that jesus is god because they did not understand really that verse. If the word was god then…

How can be God (word) with God?

if you say that the word was god means there are two gods!
because it said that “and the word WAS WITH GOD”…
then you contradict yourself…

read_me, it seems that you are the one who does not understand. the important thing is to read the entire passage to understand.

John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.

so you were asking if the Word was God. but the passage clearly says that. there is no other interpretation, it is said directly and explicitly

and no, it does not imply there are two Gods. there is one God because the Word was God. in Tagalog, “and Salita ay Diyos”. it clearly states the oneness of the Word and God. you cannot be one with God and not be God.

 

[choy]

please elaborate that you called ‘propagandas’ of INC to CC^_^ because, how could INC
have propagandas to CC if they themselves (who converted to INC) proves about the ‘propagandas’ you are calling. that’s why they converted to INC because they knew that there are wrong in your doctrines.

and why not if the CC is not the true church because of the apostasy because the original beliefs of the 1st century christians are changed because of the man made doctrines of the next church administration after the death of the apostles took place. do you think God will be glad even jesus if what he taught about god’s words in the past will be change?? and that’s right. the one who translated and whatever to the bible was the CC that but DOES NOT taught it properly… i mean the true doctrines of god, because it is said that false prophets will come and that’s why the members will be led away to the original faith, and that what was happened, right. about the formulations of the doctrines inside the CC.
and sorry for that you dont understand “haha” that you even thinks of it negative. Sorry, i thought you were a filipino because many of who i debate on this site, what i was encounter was filipinos. “haha” is not mean negative. It is just ahmmm. how can i… oh
right. it is just a sound of laugh. like hehehe, or hahaha. try to read it then speak it.

and i am not one sided, if you just know that i loved to explore diff. religions but my faith will be remained to the INC. But if i have just time to do it, i will! and i just want first to explore the teachings outside christianity. for example, the Islam religion… ahmm. taoism, something like that^^ but if you have something knowledge about that, you can share it to me and i will listen^^

read_me, INC says a lot of things about the Catholic Church that are baseless. they don’t even offer proof, they just outright proclaim that the Catholic Church is wrong and is evil without even offering hard evidence. if you cannot prove something, then it is not there.

and sorry, but “haha” is still negative even in the context of Filipino culture. if you can’t be too serious, then who would take you seriously?

 

[M_catholic]

well, sometimes “hahaha” is used if one has nothing to say at all or just can’t say anything at all.

but, when in serious topic, I don’t see a need for a “haha” to be used several times.

 

[Halima]

ok… again… a myth about the INC. always and always catholics invents and use propagandas just to debunk or have many people have negative impression to the INC. ok. if thats who you really are! haha and yes. i admit it. even in my blog, that im just a beginner reading the bible and seeking the whole truth about INC teachings and show it to the blind believers of the apostatized and even false religions. if you only knows about me, my age and everything, then thats the time you will give your opinon about me!

Ok, among those information we know about the INC which are myths and which arent?
Send us your official teachings in print or in the net then we can weed out those myths you are saying.

But unless you hide all your teachings from public then they will remain always as true.

 

[Catholic4evr]

Catholic4evr,
No sense of arguing with readme. Have you heard the word brainwash?
The INC members are discourage to read the bible, they only rely to the teachings of there ministers. If only INC members will read the bible, majority of them will be Catholics.
What readme posted here is not his own, he copied it from somebody.
If you notice, he can’t answer some questions, because he doesn’t know the bible.
Do you want to know something about the INC? It was exposed by one of there former minister Bro. Abner Martizano. Go to youtube.com and search for “Exclusive interview with former INC-minister”, part 1 to 21. You will be surprise.

Polang1234,

Thanks for replying to my post, I apologise as well that i haven’t noticed yours for quite some time. I am just trying my best to make him realise his mistaken beliefs. I know they are hard to deal with. I noticed that I asked him logical questions but he did not answer striaght-forward. He misquotes me and evades many logical questions i threw to him. I will look up on Youtube the video you told me. Thanks heaps!

 

[Catholic4evr]

Woahh. finally, i am been busy building my site. But wait, what did you have said? the history of the catholic church is the basis for it is the true church? Well, I AGREE to you, not on that catholic church is the true church but on studying its HISTORY. Do YOU KNOW the HISTORY of the TRINITY? Is it a doctrine of the APOSTLES? or the INVENTION of the CHURCH FATHERS? HAHA. SEE? one of the sign of its apostasy is that the people or the leaders on the catholic church will lead the members to evil. Like formulating such doctrines after THE DEATH OF THE APOSTLES. Now, can you say again that the catholic church is not apostatized?

Jesus Christ not built 2 churches as you said, it is only that the church of christ that he built years ago was apostatized because of the wrongness that it has been add or made. So, in the bible you will see that because of that, there will be one flock in the future and the church of christ in the first century will be continue and thats fulfilled when the INC or Church of Christ emerged in the ends of the earth or in 1914.

Read me, I hpope that you will read this and answer. Felix manalo taught you that the early chruch committed apostasy when it declared that Jesus is God through the Council of Nicea in 328AD and the Holy Spirit as God in the Council of Constantinople in 387AD (I might be amiss with the years, but the council names are correct). What is the truth, really? You are always telling us in this forum that the church apostatised upon the death of the last apostle. So either you lie or Felix Manalo lied.

 

[Catholic4evr]

Spirit does not have flesh and Bones, but God manifested in the flesh has blood.
Read Acts 20:28 so that you will know that Christ As God has blood

28Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

Read it in the Original Greek, (all Greek manuscript is the same and unanimous)

prosexete oun eautoiv kai panti tw| poimniw en w umav to pneuma to agion eyeto episkopouv poimainein thn ekklhsian tou** yeou** hn periepoihsato dia tou idiou aimatov

Hi Marlo,

Do not quote INC members of the Acts 20:28, they won’t read “church of God.” Instead, they will see “Church of Christ.” INC uses the tanslation of Lamsa for the verse. After reading the verse to the congregation, the minister would oftentimes hold up the Bible, point to it and say “The name of our church appears in the Bible, so we can affirm to you that this is the true chuch.”

 

[choy]

here is the Iglesia ni Cristo manual…

incworld.faithweb.com/info.htm

 

[M_catholic]

hello everyone,

here’s readme’s link to his blogsite…

readmeinc.blogspot.com/

 

[rovimax]

Indeed, the INC ministers find it more convenient to accuse Thomas of committing error than admitting that Christ is God.

The official teaching of the INC regarding Thomas’s comment “My Lord and my God!” is Thomas was startled in saying that. In the Philippines, there is an expression when people got startled they say " Diyos ko po!" ( Oh my God!" ) So that’s their interpretation on Thomas’s confession.

Members of INC are brainwashed. They can’t defend their faith by using one translation of the Bible because all doctrines they have were borrowed and compiled. They don’t have their own set of doctrines.

 

[rovimax]

ok… again… a myth about the INC. always and always catholics invents and use propagandas just to debunk or have many people have negative impression to the INC. ok. if thats who you really are! haha and yes. i admit it. even in my blog, that im just a beginner reading the bible and seeking the whole truth about INC teachings and show it to the blind believers of the apostatized and even false religions. if you only knows about me, my age and everything, then thats the time you will give your opinon about me!

You seem very proud of what you argue but do really know the background of your founder Felix Manalao? He was an altar boy when he was young. He transfered from one protestant church to another. He was a 7th day adventist pastor that one Saturday he ran away with a woman and abandoned the 7th day adventist church. His name was Felix Ysagun and later changed to Felix Manalo because Ysagun has no meaning while Manalo can be translated to victory and Felix is happy in Spanish, Do you know that the angel theory was devised to prevent the other members for splitting. Your present ministers is using bible translations that Felix never heard of before. Felix claimed to be the angel in Revelation 7:2-3 and the east is the Philippines, if that is the case then the wise men who visited Jesus also came from the Philippines they come from the east? In 1948 when Teodoro Locsin interviewed Felix Manalo (Philippine Free Press), felix claimed there were 2,000,000 members of INC while the Bureau of Census and Statistics of that year gave only 88,125 INC members.

***Felix Manalo categorically states that the east in the Bible particularly Rev 7:2-3, is the Philippines. If we answer that questions ourselves it is possible you will not believe us; but here is what the New International Encyclopedia says: Which country in the east is the first struck by the rays of the sun - the Philippine Islands." An archipelago. It lies wholly within the tropics. ( New International Encyclopedia Vol. XVIIIM p.487. In October 4, 1952 issue of The Sentinel ( A Catholic National Weekly of that Time ), page 3, the cited documentation of Felix was challenged and proven to be" F. Manalo’s Most Basic Lie Uncovered" There was a photostat of the International Encyclopedia p 487 as quoted by Manalo There is none of the quotation attributed to it. Here is what we read in The Sentinel: ''After much searching Manalo was shrewd enough to choose a little known and rare edition. The Redemptorist Fathers, in Baclaran, Parañaque, Philippines found the source of this quotation in the UST( University of Santo Thomas ) library. And the quoted words were not there. Nowhere does any edition of the New International Encyclopedia make such an absurd statement. Old coppies of The Sentinel can be found in san Carlos Seminary, Mandaluyong, Philippines.

Father Manuel Alonzo Jr. writes on thi: It should be recalled that Manalo and his followers are too willing to misquote a text and to perverse the meaning of a passage in order to present falsehood as truth.’’ ( Historico-Critical Study of the Iglesia ni Kristo, p 64). ***Reference: Founders, History and Fundamental Doctrines by Fthr. Manuel P. Duetao

Sice you claim that Jesus is man I would not join your church since it is man made. I want to be saved and I will join a Church established by GOD.

Felix claimed he is the last messenger, he died and his son Erdy replaced him, Erdy died and another Manalo replaced him, how many last messenger will your INC produce until your teachings come true. At least other churches elect their leaders, yours are like monarchy.

The Jews waited for 1400 years from the time of Moses to Jesus for their salvation. Your church established in 1914 means that christians waited for that time for salvation until Manalo came you must be joking…

1 Timothy 6:14 To obey orders and keep them faithfully until the Day when our Lord Jesus christ will appear. No need for further revelation coming from somebody claiming to be angels or apostles or sent by God.

:dts::doh2: Manalo… Angel huh…