The "I'm fed up with bad church music" thread

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In both parishes, the volunteer ministries have held Father hostage by stating that they will only play what they want to play or Father will need to find other musicians.
That happened here some years ago. The choir went on strike so there was no one to play. I didn’t learn the back story until later, so I didn’t know why we were singing a cappella. I thought it was lovely. But the pastor capitulated & the choir was back the next week singing what they wanted to - electric guitar & all.
 
Amen to that! At my parish, I’m lucky to have traditional hymns, but when I attend other masses at other churches (which is rare), I all about grind my teeth to powder. Could’ve sworn I was done with kindergarten several, several years ago…?
 
I can’t stand 99% of the music in our parish. It’s so horrible, it completely distracts from the beauty of the Mass. I’d email our priest about it, but I already complained about the altar server’s shoes, so I’m afraid to say anything else! The Church has so many beautiful old hymns, I don’t know why they are so attached to the garbage music that we have to suffer through every Sunday.
 
I can’t stand 99% of the music in our parish. It’s so horrible, it completely distracts from the beauty of the Mass. I’d email our priest about it, but I already complained about the altar server’s shoes, so I’m afraid to say anything else! The Church has so many beautiful old hymns, I don’t know why they are so attached to the garbage music that we have to suffer through every Sunday.
What did the shoes look like? I can imagine if they were sports trainers or something obviously out of place how this could be a distraction. Male altar servers are meant to wear shoes that are preferably black though some would get away with brown. I think that to have said something about this would have taken great trust.
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What did the shoes look like? I can imagine if they were sports trainers or something obviously out of place how this could be a distraction. Male altar servers are meant to wear shoes that are preferably black though some would get away with brown. I think that to have said something about this would have taken great trust.
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Are meant by whom?

Or, is that just your preference?
 
What did the shoes look like? I can imagine if they were sports trainers or something obviously out of place how this could be a distraction. Male altar servers are meant to wear shoes that are preferably black though some would get away with brown. I think that to have said something about this would have taken great trust.
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In some parishes in my area, several of them wear sneakers that look like they are about to fall off, and several of the boys look like they didn’t even bother to brush their hair.

A lot of the girls are wearing sandals, etc.

In both cases (boy or girl) it often looks like they didn’t bother to take a shower before coming to Mass, and that they just rolled out of the bed

Granted: I’m NOT talking about all of them, nor am I necessarily talking about a majority; but rather a very memorable minority.

Personally, I would rather have fewer altar servers, using the kids who want to do it often, vs using kids who are doing it only because mom & dad are making them.

If you remember your altar server, then they are either extraordinarily good or extraordinarily bad. 🙂
 
In some parishes in my area, several of them wear sneakers that look like they are about to fall off, and several of the boys look like they didn’t even bother to brush their hair.

A lot of the girls are wearing sandals, etc.

In both cases (boy or girl) it often looks like they didn’t bother to take a shower before coming to Mass, and that they just rolled out of the bed

Granted: I’m NOT talking about all of them, nor am I necessarily talking about a majority; but rather a very memorable minority.

Personally, I would rather have fewer altar servers, using the kids who want to do it often, vs using kids who are doing it only because mom & dad are making them.

If you remember your altar server, then they are either extraordinarily good or extraordinarily bad. 🙂
The onus is on the parents to make their children look tidy if the children don’t bother. I would have said parenting has to come into this somewhere. If the altar server is an adult then maybe something could be said.

It might be that the priest doesn’t like to say anything to the altar servers. Maybe the altar servers are poor or something. But I think when things continue in the vain of some kind of evident lack of respect then surely something could be. Not everyone can afford new shoes, surprising as it might seem, but I think it is probably clear to see the difference between a poor person who cannot help their situation and someone that simply can’t be bothered.
 
The onus is on the parents to make their children look tidy if the children don’t bother. I would have said parenting has to come into this somewhere. If the altar server is an adult then maybe something could be said.

It might be that the priest doesn’t like to say anything to the altar servers. Maybe the altar servers are poor or something. But I think when things continue in the vain of some kind of evident lack of respect then surely something could be. Not everyone can afford new shoes, surprising as it might seem, but I think it is probably clear to see the difference between a poor person who cannot help their situation and someone that simply can’t be bothered.
very true.
 
Are meant by whom?

Or, is that just your preference?
If you altar serve and are not wearing respectful attire in appropriate response to the surroundings that one is in, then it is likely, in the parish or wherever the Service is held, that if altar serving is becoming a regular occurrence, that one will eventually be asked to wear shoes that are black. Or at least dark shoes. Somewhere near that mark.
 
If you altar serve and are not wearing respectful attire in appropriate response to the surroundings that one is in, then it is likely, in the parish or wherever the Service is held, that if altar serving is becoming a regular occurrence, that one will eventually be asked to wear shoes that are black. Or at least dark shoes. Somewhere near that mark.
It’s difficult for me to decipher what you’re trying to say here. it may be an answer to some question, but it’s not an answer to the questions I asked. Is that an actual rule, or just your preference?

I only ask because CAF seems to have a rash of posters who can’t seem to fathom the difference between their own preferences and what is (or should be) allowed. It’s an annoying trait, attempting to elevate one’s own opinions to the realm of moral absolute. The Catholic Church is a rule laden institution. Two millennia of debate, consideration, councils, prayer, guidance, and administration have gone into the various rules observed by the Church. If the Church doesn’t mandate something, it doesn’t mean that it hasn’t been considered. it probably means that it has been considered and rejected.

Has the Church actually mandated that male altar servers wear black or brown shoes? I don’t believe it has. Some diocese or parish may set that rule, but I highly doubt it’s universal.

So, I’ll ask again. It’s meant by whom?
 
It’s difficult for me to decipher what you’re trying to say here. it may be an answer to some question, but it’s not an answer to the questions I asked. Is that an actual rule, or just your preference?

I only ask because CAF seems to have a rash of posters who can’t seem to fathom the difference between their own preferences and what is (or should be) allowed. It’s an annoying trait, attempting to elevate one’s own opinions to the realm of moral absolute. The Catholic Church is a rule laden institution. Two millennia of debate, consideration, councils, prayer, guidance, and administration have gone into the various rules observed by the Church. If the Church doesn’t mandate something, it doesn’t mean that it hasn’t been considered. it probably means that it has been considered and rejected.

Has the Church actually mandated that male altar servers wear black or brown shoes? I don’t believe it has. Some diocese or parish may set that rule, but I highly doubt it’s universal.

So, I’ll ask again. It’s meant by whom?
Yes, that is the point: rules. Not lack of them. Or disrespect shown. Exactly what this whole thread is about.

If people can manage to rustle up a pair of half-decent shoes to get to work in the morning then surely they can do the same for Church.
 
What did the shoes look like? I can imagine if they were sports trainers or something obviously out of place how this could be a distraction. Male altar servers are meant to wear shoes that are preferably black though some would get away with brown. I think that to have said something about this would have taken great trust.
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Surely you must be kidding.
Even in the altar server train gin pamphlets they don’t mention shoes. :eek:
 
Yes, that is the point: rules. Not lack of them. Or disrespect shown. Exactly what this whole thread is about.

If people can manage to rustle up a pair of half-decent shoes to get to work in the morning then surely they can do the same for Church.
How many children have jobs? I think they wear what their parents provide, and I think the priests are grateful that they WANT to serve.
 
So, parents don’t have jobs?!

They can buy the children sneakers but not smart shoes for Mass.

So, it is a matter of priorities in the wrong order, then! Correct.

I can see how it might be that if the children turned up without any shoes, one could consider the sadness of the situation, or, if the shoes on some are polished but not great quality/poor-looking but other than that it is down to effort. And a bit of respect and common sense.

It is not as if they’re having to dress up in metal gauntlets and clogs. :rolleyes:

Looking a bit smart is too much to ask?
 
Yes, that is the point: rules. Not lack of them. Or disrespect shown. Exactly what this whole thread is about.

If people can manage to rustle up a pair of half-decent shoes to get to work in the morning then surely they can do the same for Church.
You seem to be purposely avoiding the question. I’ll take that as confirmation that my theory is correct, and you just want everyone to do what you want them to.

The rules are one of the thing that I love about the Church. Specifically, that the laity have no role in setting them. As a former protestant, I’ve seen the destruction that can be wrought upon a congregation when certain members develop an inflated opinion of their own tastes, and allow it to overcome the patience and humility they claim to aspire to.

These people always remind me of Mrs. Olson from Little House On The Prairie; so busy trying to control everyone else and make sure the community is up to their own standards that they fail to notice that they are driving people away.

another term for this is “insufferable busybody”.
 
Maybe the altar servers are poor or something.
That’s true for many of our altar servers. They wear what they’ve got - in the winter, boots, in the summer, tennis shoes. Most don’t have dress shoes - they would only be worn on the Sundays they serve. One time a server wore bright red puffy-looking shoes; I was amused. But apparently others weren’t - he never wore them again. I don’t see anything wrong with sandals - I wear sandals to church! And, as we so often pointed out when we were teens back in the dark ages ('60s), Jesus wore sandals. 😃
 
You seem to be purposely avoiding the question. I’ll take that as confirmation that my theory is correct, and you just want everyone to do what you want them to.

The rules are one of the thing that I love about the Church. Specifically, that the laity have no role in setting them. As a former protestant, I’ve seen the destruction that can be wrought upon a congregation when certain members develop an inflated opinion of their own tastes, and allow it to overcome the patience and humility they claim to aspire to.

These people always remind me of Mrs. Olson from Little House On The Prairie; so busy trying to control everyone else and make sure the community is up to their own standards that they fail to notice that they are driving people away.

another term for this is “insufferable busybody”.
As much as it pains me to use anything from the USCCB, they are at least laying down some pretty sensible ground rules, in this area:

usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/the-mass/frequently-asked-questions/guidelines-for-altar-servers.cfm
 
Looking a bit smart is too much to ask?
Considering how many of the adults are wearing shorts, beer-advertising t-shirts, and flip-flops (& that’s both men & women), then yeah - that’s asking a bit much of the kids.
 
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