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hcruz402
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Yes you can. Canonically, you can do this. Just know that they will both be Masses for the Second Sunday of Advent (i.e., the readings, the propers, and the texts).
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Spyridon
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It would be nice if some Parishes would do back-back Masses on Saturday. Do a 3 P.M. Mass for the IC then a 4 P.M. Mass for Sunday. Tell people they can attend both back to back to fulfill both obligations.
This would make things much easier for a lot of people.
This would make things much easier for a lot of people.
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joeybaggz
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I believe that is what I meant when I said that I understand church law obligation.
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hcruz402
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If a Holy Day of Obligation were to fall on Sunday, then the Holy Day is typically celebrated on Sunday, and we would get the two-for-one. The exceptions are the Immaculate Conception, and the Ascension (In the regions of the United States (i.e., in the states of Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Vermont) that continue to celebrate it on the Thursday of the Sixth Week of Easter).
With January 1 (Mary, Mother of God), August 15 (The Assumption), and November 1 (All Saints), the obligation to attend Mass for the Holy Day is lifted, when the day falls either on a Saturday or on a Monday.
December 25 (Christmas) is always a Holy Day of Obligation, regardless of the day of the week in which it falls.
Since it is the Patronal Feast of the United States, the Immaculate Conception remains a Holy Day of Obligation, even if December 8 naturally falls either on a Saturday or on a Monday. When December 8 falls on a Sunday, the Immaculate Conception is transferred to the following day (Monday, December 9). However, the obligation to attend Mass does not transfer over.
With January 1 (Mary, Mother of God), August 15 (The Assumption), and November 1 (All Saints), the obligation to attend Mass for the Holy Day is lifted, when the day falls either on a Saturday or on a Monday.
December 25 (Christmas) is always a Holy Day of Obligation, regardless of the day of the week in which it falls.
Since it is the Patronal Feast of the United States, the Immaculate Conception remains a Holy Day of Obligation, even if December 8 naturally falls either on a Saturday or on a Monday. When December 8 falls on a Sunday, the Immaculate Conception is transferred to the following day (Monday, December 9). However, the obligation to attend Mass does not transfer over.
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steve-b
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Obviously there are many ways to honor the obligation(s). As a daily mass goer, I go to 9:00 a.m. mass every day. So for me Saturday 9 am mass and Sunday 9 am mass is no problem for me.
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hcruz402
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Since the Immaculate Conception is a Holy Day of Obligation, this year, I’m sure that your parish will have Masses for the Immaculate Conception, itself. Otherwise, I’d be shocked.
If not, then personally, I would look for another parish nearby where I can attend a Mass for the Immaculate Conception (a Mass, where the readings, the propers, and the texts, will be for the Immaculate Conception, as opposed to the Second Sunday of Advent).
If not, then personally, I would look for another parish nearby where I can attend a Mass for the Immaculate Conception (a Mass, where the readings, the propers, and the texts, will be for the Immaculate Conception, as opposed to the Second Sunday of Advent).
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Wendy1989
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Wendy1989
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I would imagine a vigil mass on Friday night and then a day time mass on Saturday would work for my parish. I’m being cynical but many people (esp my parish) just don’t have the time to attend Holy Days of Obligation outside of Sundays.
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Vico
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The 4pm hour is not specified in the 1983 canon law so in some parishes you will find the vigil earlier. For example 2:30pm http://www.gaclv.org/home.html
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hcruz402
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That’s interesting to know.
Still, once the anticipatory Masses for Sunday begin, the Masses will be for the Second Sunday of Advent.
Still, once the anticipatory Masses for Sunday begin, the Masses will be for the Second Sunday of Advent.
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FrDavid96
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While the canon does not say “4 PM” it does clearly stipulate that only a Mass in the evening (of the calendar day before) satisfies the obligation.
Nowhere, again nowhere, does canon law say that a Mass before evening satisfies the obligation.
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Vico
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Correct. Evening is at different hours in various canon law commentaries and in practice.
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FrDavid96
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The Code has force-of-law only in Latin. The commentaries have no force-of-law. The Latin word “vespere” does not mean afternoon. It means evening. If the Mass is not in the evening (say, for example the afternoon), it doesn’t satisfy the obligation.FrDavid96:
Correct. Evening is at different hours in various canon law commentaries and in practice.
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Vico
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Evening is at different hours at different latitudes. Notice that the different commentaries are in different countries: England, Spain, Italy, United States. Each with different hours.
A question on Mass-start times that warrants attention
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FrDavid96
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Commentaries don’t change the Law.
The canon says “vespere” therefore the canon means “vespere.” Unless the Mass is in the evening, it does not fulfill the obligation, regardless of what any commentary might say.
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