The Indoctrination of your children

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A god-free public square generates a lot of worried ethics. Go to any public elementary school and see them almost shouted from the walls: EQUALITY, RESPECT, TOLERANCE, RESPONSIBILITY, SHARING, REDUCE, REUSE, RECYCLE…etc. The anxiety is palpable. And, why not? There is so much to do and so little time! Young children–potential citizens of the great secular city–need to unlearn the inequality of a Created world order and all its “unhealthy” values. Then, they must learn the dangers of following their own, free desires—perhaps, with a trip to the Tolerance Museum. Then, they must thoroughly understand the secular doctrines of Nature, Victim and Survival ethics: which will become a lifelong social expectation called “political correctness”. Eventually, the young, secular adult will soak in the message. They will develop a “social conscience” premised on a cartoon planet wherein battles the loving and enlightened equalizers vs. unhealthy, selfish dominators. And they will carry this battle into all walks of life, giving intense political interpretation to most everything–from baking fat-free cookies to green trash collection to “equality” biased news reporting.
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I’m always intrigued when people start complaining about equality, respect and responsibility.

Of course, your experience of schools seems different than mine was. I have a God-son finishing up elementary school now and it doesn’t seem like you say it is. What are these secular doctrines of “Nature, Victim and Survival ethics”?

And they’ve been teaching about ‘sharing’ in kindergarten for decades.
 
I’m always intrigued when people start complaining about equality, respect and responsibility.

Of course, your experience of schools seems different than mine was. I have a God-son finishing up elementary school now and it doesn’t seem like you say it is. What are these secular doctrines of “Nature, Victim and Survival ethics”?

And they’ve been teaching about ‘sharing’ in kindergarten for decades.
Hi ngil,
As Western civilization displaces Judeo-Christian values from society…it does so with “materialistic ethics”…ie…ethics based on a god-free view of reality. Here is one of the most basic ethics that is currently taught in school.

Survival ethics—Certainly, the most primal urge of all is our will to survive. Survival is a powerful law written into the very tissue of our bodies. Therefore, it gives a primacy, a kind of ethical authority to every health and safety concern. In a world stripped of spiritual safety concerns—of eternal life and death—physical safety takes center stage.
Thus, people can shelter in Survival ethics, not only rejecting all spiritually inspired ideals that might lead to conflicts like war, but also they might feel entirely justified in trying to bubble-wrap the world we live in. You’ve already noticed their worry about cigarettes, product labeling, drugs, bullying, childhood obesity, choking hazards, safety labels and soft playgrounds as they push for more car seats, safer cribs and less unhealthy diets. In a world so full of sharp edges and potential hazards, from a pin prick to international war, Survivalists are a busy crowd.
 
Hi ngil,
As Western civilization displaces Judeo-Christian values from society…it does so with “materialistic ethics”…ie…ethics based on a god-free view of reality. Here is one of the most basic ethics that is currently taught in school.

Survival ethics—Certainly, the most primal urge of all is our will to survive. Survival is a powerful law written into the very tissue of our bodies. Therefore, it gives a primacy, a kind of ethical authority to every health and safety concern. In a world stripped of spiritual safety concerns—of eternal life and death—physical safety takes center stage.
Thus, people can shelter in Survival ethics, not only rejecting all spiritually inspired ideals that might lead to conflicts like war, but also they might feel entirely justified in trying to bubble-wrap the world we live in. You’ve already noticed their worry about cigarettes, product labeling, drugs, bullying, childhood obesity, choking hazards, safety labels and soft playgrounds as they push for more car seats, safer cribs and less unhealthy diets. In a world so full of sharp edges and potential hazards, from a pin prick to international war, Survivalists are a busy crowd.
Ah, you’re talking about Helicopter Parents. In my experience, most of these are Christians who simply are obsessed with micro-managing their children. And the concern for safety goes beyond physical safety, these are the parents also most likely to obsess about what their children are reading or watching. I don’t think a connection can be made to secularism.
 
Ah, you’re talking about Helicopter Parents. In my experience, most of these are Christians who simply are obsessed with micro-managing their children. And the concern for safety goes beyond physical safety, these are the parents also most likely to obsess about what their children are reading or watching.
Hi again…no I’m not talking about mere hyper-parenting techniques…I’m talking about a 500 year philosophical push to displace Christianity from Western civilization. Here is another ethic based on a god-free view of the world divided between the predator and the prey…the Strong and the Weak.

Victim ethics—One way for the Weak to get what they want, to defend themselves and to ensure survival, is to find a way to manipulate the Strong. However, in rejecting God, the secular city has rejected the subsequent moral imperative to care for our Weaker brothers and sisters under heaven. Rather, we are reduced to animals in an anxious struggle, where there is a critical need for the Weak to band together and equalize things with the Strong. This urgent need takes the form of an “ethic” or “right” based on victimhood. Central to Victim ethics is the notion of imposing equality. But, this is not an equality born of the humble, loving recognition of our common Father. No, it is not what the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. was talking about. Rather, Victim ethics are born of a defensive need to control the Strong, to equalize the social environment out of fear.
For example, large corporations like Exxon or Wal-Mart are an obvious threat to a person caught up in Victim ethics. Such industries are a potential source of manipulation for the little individual. These could monopolize the market place with cheap labor and price gouging profits. Therefore, Victims band together under the guise of government and seek to intentionally weaken these with regulation and higher taxation.
Now, Victims might rally together for defense against just about any perceived big threat like those with big money—the rich. (The Occupy movement that swept the West in 2011 was just such a rally.) The problem is that there are a myriad of potential threats out there. And, Victim ethics ultimately divide a nation into agitated, special-interest groups. Thus, as the West replaces Judeo-Christian values with radical secularization, we tear apart into various racial groups, advocacy for the homeless, child advocacy guilds, feminist groups, thuggish worker unions, gay activists, disability activists, patient rights groups, animal rights groups, teenage acne support teams and a million other perceptions of weakness or inequality.
 
Now, in all of this you can easily see that a god-free world generates a singular choice: “Will I dominate or must I seek the shelter of the herd?” The natural world is filled with both answers. There are Strong creatures (like lions) of raw manipulation and Weak ones (like zebras) using subtle forms of self-preservation. Yet, most creatures are not dominant. Most creatures seek the equalizing power of the herd or some other deceptive cover to level the playing field. The same is true of Humans. Without God, without an overarching morality to guide a self-restrained people, the critical question remains: “Am I strong enough to get what I want directly or must I achieve it corporately through some equalizing technique?”
Of course, such techniques are rooted in a primal fear, but what ethical basis could there be for imposing equality? Where is the moral absolute in all this? Well, from the perspective of the Weak, the theory of absolute, physical equality–Nature Ethics–would be a convenient ethic to impose. Nature Ethics are built on the belief that all things evolved randomly and, thus, no shape is inherently more or less valuable than any other shape. A seal, a tree and an Eskimo are essentially equal. Therefore, the presumption of a moral absolute (the premise of absolute, physical equality) underpins the entire moral case of the Weak. It is the defensive rational or “ethic” behind modern secularism. In other words, it is wrong for the Strong to bully the Weak because all of Nature is equal.
 
While this is all fun and interesting, I think now is the time for you to cite some good source that this is what is being taught in public schools.
 
While this is all fun and interesting, I think now is the time for you to cite some good source that this is what is being taught in public schools.
Did you notice that modern elementary schools go to Tolerance Museums? Why? It is to TEACH the subtle idea that strongly held beliefs are wrong…which teaches that all ideas and philosophies are of equal merit…thus equally meaningless.
A tolerance museum is premised on TOLERATING all people’s beliefs…not so much teaching that some beliefs are EVIL and other beliefs are GOOD.

However…the god-free view of reality does divide "good’ and “evil”. Here is the “evil”…
Utility ethics—Now, at the core of every primal urge is a single driver: me getting what I want by utilizing any means necessary. The challenge is that the Earth is an unequal place where the Strong naturally dominate the Weak. Therefore, without some self-restraining, overarching morality that belief in God affords, the human animal is justified in taking any opportunity to impose power over others: to achieve what works, what is profitable, regardless of the impact on others.
Adolph Hitler was an obvious picture of Utility. He spoke of a “master race” and brutally imposed solutions. Dickens character “Scrooge” is a milder example. But, of course, there are many more. There are men who seek only to use women. There are schoolyard bullies, chameleon politicians, pimps, crime bosses, thugs and predators of every stripe. In short, the manipulation of Utility ethics is quite common. It is merely the human animal seeking itself first.
 
Did you notice that modern elementary schools go to Tolerance Museums? Why? It is to TEACH the subtle idea that strongly held beliefs are wrong…which teaches that all ideas and philosophies are of equal merit…thus equally meaningless.
A tolerance museum is premised on TOLERATING all people’s beliefs…not so much teaching that some beliefs are EVIL and other beliefs are GOOD.

However…the god-free view of reality does divide "good’ and “evil”. Here is the “evil”…
Utility ethics—Now, at the core of every primal urge is a single driver: me getting what I want by utilizing any means necessary. The challenge is that the Earth is an unequal place where the Strong naturally dominate the Weak. Therefore, without some self-restraining, overarching morality that belief in God affords, the human animal is justified in taking any opportunity to impose power over others: to achieve what works, what is profitable, regardless of the impact on others.
Adolph Hitler was an obvious picture of Utility. He spoke of a “master race” and brutally imposed solutions. Dickens character “Scrooge” is a milder example. But, of course, there are many more. There are men who seek only to use women. There are schoolyard bullies, chameleon politicians, pimps, crime bosses, thugs and predators of every stripe. In short, the manipulation of Utility ethics is quite common. It is merely the human animal seeking itself first.
  1. I’ve never heard of elementary schools going to “Tolerance Museums”. I wouldn’t be surprised if some in California did, but it’s hardly universal.
  2. I hardly think that teaching against racism equates to teaching that all ideas are of equal merit. Keep in mind that the main activity of schools is teaching students facts which are held to be more valid than falsehoods.
  3. I can’t help but notice your failure to provide a good source for any of your paranoid ramblings.
 
Here is a bit more on Nature Ethics…
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   Thanks to a legion of secular thinkers, like Rousseau, the ideal of Natural harmony has developed quite a narrative over the centuries.  Perhaps, their story goes something like this:  Once upon a time, maybe a billion years ago, there was a lush garden that sprang up. It was full of evolving plants and living things of every sort in natural balance. Very recently, however, a clever animal evolved—mankind. Man lived for a while in a balanced equality with the rest of Nature. It was a time of great freedom and pleasure, with no sexual inhibitions and everyone shared everything equally. Then, one day, the first “bad” man began to think in unequal terms. He hunted for meat. He stopped sharing his food and sex partner and built a private shelter for his family—all of which he now had to defend.
 Thus, we are led to believe that selfishness, greed, war, hatred, indeed, every “evil” apparently can be traced to a defective person who began seeing the world as an “unequal place”.  Therefore, as the story goes, people are intrinsically good, “civilization” has led us astray and the problem of evil in the world can be physically explained away by some defect in the brain that creates the delusion of inequality and disordered appetites like religion.  Hence, the frantic search in our own day for discovering the physical malady of “the Right Wing brain” or the elusive “god gene”.  
 Yes, a physical world requires physical explanations, explanations that replace the lofty concept of “good” vs. “evil” for the more tangible idea of healthy equalizers vs. defective manipulators.  One weird illustration of all this happened when a famous comedian—“Kramer” of Seinfeld fame—recently shouted the “N-word” at some black hecklers in a Californian comedy club. As a secular nation recoiled in horror, he immediately checked himself into the Betty Ford Clinic, effectively saying that he recognized a physical health problem--not a moral issue.
 Assuredly, Nature ethics is a fascinating study that generates many bizarre, secondary principles that are most often anti-human because they are premised, like all defensive ethics, on a fear of the Strong—in this case, a fear of our natural, Human domination of the planet. For example, the “pristine ethic” is a biased evaluation of environments based on the premise that humans contaminate Nature. “Come see Nature’s unspoiled beauty” the travel brochure exclaims. Such logic avoids the obvious conclusion that building a Volvo is just as natural to our human capabilities as digging a hole is to a gopher—that humans are part of nature too.  However, for space requirements, we will not go into further detail on concepts of “natural balance”, “proportion”, “natural goodness” or the ultimate “attraction of pantheism” here. It is suffice to say that there are serious problems with Nature ethics, not the least of which is that it seems to contradict the entire Natural order where we can plainly see various hierarchies and a pervasive law of Utility within, for example, the animal kingdom. 
 In other words, if absolute physical equality is a fact of the universe, it is universally met with indifference. Therefore, humans imposing absolute, physical equality on each other—such as gay marriage-- is apparently not “natural”. It is either a highly advanced evolutionary stage or it is a nutty perversion depending on whom you may ask. Nonetheless, the take home point is that Nature ethics are, first and foremost, a denial of the existence of God, with the subsequent claim that everything should receive equal deference. Thus, “going Green” is not so much a movement based on the responsible stewardship of the planet God gave us. Rather, it is a primal fear of domination with Humanity in the crosshairs.
 
  1. I’ve never heard of elementary schools going to “Tolerance Museums”. I wouldn’t be surprised if some in California did, but it’s hardly universal.
  2. I hardly think that teaching against racism equates to teaching that all ideas are of equal merit. Keep in mind that the main activity of schools is teaching students facts which are held to be more valid than falsehoods.
  3. I can’t help but notice your failure to provide a good source for any of your paranoid ramblings.
I have given a well-known example.....Tolerance Museums. I've given the ethical teaching from the walls of the classrooms.....where kids are told to REDUCE their usage of water and energy.....WHY? Why not spend time teaching kids how we need to build desalination plants to INCREASE supply.
 
I have given a well-known example…Tolerance Museums. I’ve given the ethical teaching from the walls of the classrooms…where kids are told to REDUCE their usage of water and energy…WHY? Why not spend time teaching kids how we need to build desalination plants to INCREASE supply.
A quick google shows there is one Tolerance Museum, in Los Angeles, and one more planned in Jerusalem, which are “dedicated to challenging visitors to understand the Holocaust in both historic and contemporary contexts and confront all forms of prejudice and discrimination in our world today”.
 
A quick google shows there is one Tolerance Museum, in Los Angeles, and one more planned in Jerusalem, which are “dedicated to challenging visitors to understand the Holocaust in both historic and contemporary contexts and confront all forms of prejudice and discrimination in our world today”.
Here we are on a philosophy thread and I cannot show you how a massive philosophical movement is playing out right before your eyes. If you read the postings above…I list 4 ethics that can be extracted from a god-free view of reality…these are SURVIVAL ethics, VICTIM ethics, NATUTRE ethics and UTILITY ethics ( that is primal, dominating selfish ethics).

Our Western world is now interpreted through the secular lense of these ethics…where “evil” is those manipulators of the Utility ethic…vs…the empathetic (Survival, Nature and Victim ethics)…all other belief systems are being rendered socially meaningless.
Catholicism has been thoroughly marginalized in the West.
 
Here we are on a philosophy thread and I cannot show you how a massive philosophical movement is playing out right before your eyes. If you read the postings above…I list 4 ethics that can be extracted from a god-free view of reality…these are SURVIVAL ethics, VICTIM ethics, NATUTRE ethics and UTILITY ethics ( that is primal, dominating selfish ethics).

Our Western world is now interpreted through the secular lense of these ethics…where “evil” is those manipulators of the Utility ethic…vs…the empathetic (Survival, Nature and Victim ethics)…all other belief systems are being rendered socially meaningless.
Catholicism has been thoroughly marginalized in the West.
How about answering my question. It was simply enough. You are against kids being taken to the Tolerance Museums, is that because you want to deny the Holocaust happened and/or teach kids to be intolerant of Jews, or what?
 
So you want to deny the Holocaust happened and/or teach kids to be intolerant of Jews, or what? :confused:
Oh.My Goodness. What a ridiculous comment. Calling a moderator right now to suss you out.
 
I am against manipulating the primal fears of children (Survival) to indoctrinate them with the idea that all strongly held convictions are obviously bad. Or to teach TOLERATION of every ideology as equally worthy of respect. Both indoctrination techniques achieve the same end: a child that sees Christianity on an equal footing with Islam…etc.

When every ideology is worthy of toleration then no idea is worthy of my time. Hence…after WWII Eropeans learned the wrong lesson. They didn’t learn that fighting evil was good…but that fighting itself was wrong.

The irony of all this is that Radical liberalism actually sets the stage for massive human cruelty.
 
Oh.My Goodness. What a ridiculous comment. Calling a moderator right now to suss you out.
Yes, the person complaining about tolerance, respect, equality, and responsibility is just fine, but the person wondering why he’s complaining about these things is ban-worthy.
 
Oh.My Goodness. What a ridiculous comment. Calling a moderator right now to suss you out.
I am not the least offended by this post. Why on earth are we involving a moderator in this deeply philosophical discussion…that has not crossed the lines of charity?
 
I am against manipulating the primal fears of children (Survival) to indoctrinate them with the idea that all strongly held convictions are obviously bad. Or to teach TOLERATION of every ideology as equally worthy of respect. Both indoctrination techniques achieve the same end: a child that sees Christianity on an equal footing with Islam…etc.

When every ideology is worthy of toleration then no idea is worthy of my time. Hence…after WWII Eropeans learned the wrong lesson. They didn’t learn that fighting evil was good…but that fighting itself was wrong.

The irony of all this is that Radical liberalism actually sets the stage for massive human cruelty.
Except that none of this is actually taught in schools and is entirely the product of your imagination.
 
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