I’m sure that someone will accuse me of being a heretic or a Catholic basher for this but have you ever spoken to a non-Catholic about the Protestant Reformation? If you read Luther’s 95 theses you’ll get it straight from the horse’s mouth.Those that initially broke away from the Church were said to be preaching heresy, and therefore the Church called them heretical.
You should stop saying that Protestants here are claiming otherwise, we know this too, and that is what we are saying.Americanrevert;4182576 said:**
Catholics are not saying the Pope is perfect in everything he says and does. They are just saying that he is always correct when he teaches about faith and morality.**
Even with a superficial study of it; it is obvious that the principles of Gregory VII and Innocent III are still the principles of the Roman Catholic Church. And had she but the power, she would put them in practice with as much vigor now as in past centuries.
ron77nyc;4182871:
I’m not sure about what you are trying to say. Please clarify.You should stop saying that Protestants here are claiming otherwise, we know this too, and that is what we are saying.
Even with a superficial study of it; it is obvious that the principles of Gregory VII and Innocent III are still the principles of the Roman Catholic Church. And had she but the power, she would put them in practice with as much vigor now as in past centuries.
ron77nyc;4182871:
I didn’t say anything at all about Protestants. I was just giving our Muslim friend the definition of infallibility. I’m not even saying I agree with that definition. My own personal opinion is that actions speak louder than words so if a Pope is killing anyone he sets the example for all his followers that it’s OK to kill.You should stop saying that Protestants here are claiming otherwise, we know this too, and that is what we are saying.
Even with a superficial study of it; it is obvious that the principles of Gregory VII and Innocent III are still the principles of the Roman Catholic Church. And had she but the power, she would put them in practice with as much vigor now as in past centuries.
They still teach heresy. Those who have been raised in their heretical traditions, and through no fault of their own do not accept the fullness of Catholic teaching are not formal heretics because they have made no formal break with Catholic teaching. Still, they remain material heretics because they hold heretical doctrines.Those that initially broke away from the Church were said to be preaching heresy, and therefore the Church called them heretical.
There is too much to learn about the Catholic Church on a thread at CAF. Those are just a beginning, a hint of what you can learn. You need to do some studying on your own and see if once again, you can find the Truth.
I’m sorry, but you are wrong as well. The Catholic Church doesn’t claim that the Pope is infallible whenever he teaches anything about faith and morals. (If you haven’t already seen it, you should take a look at the thread Is this heretical?)Americanrevert;4182576:
Catholics are not saying the Pope is perfect in everything he says and does. They are just saying that he is always correct when he teaches about faith and morality.And yes, about this other question being asked, the killings on both side of the fence so to speak, but to say that the Pope is infallible (you say in morals and speech etc.) then wouldn’t this classify as going against the Pope being infallible? I mean, “Thou shall not kill” One of the top ten! Or does he think he has the power to go against God? Just curious.
Well that is something I can understand and accept. Those who make the break are the actual heretics. That’s pretty simple to get but I’m not judging 20th century Christians at all by the standards of the 13th or 16th or any century. I don’t know what you mean by that.They still teach heresy. Those who have been raised in their heretical traditions, and through no fault of their own do not accept the fullness of Catholic teaching are not formal heretics because they have made no formal break with Catholic teaching. Still, they remain material heretics because they hold heretical doctrines.
They are “separated brethren” because they hold an orthodox doctrine of God (belief in the Trinity) and claim the Name of Jesus Christ as Lord.
ron77nyc is judging 20 century Christians by 13th and 16th century standards.
Peter J Im sorry I just don’t understand what you are saying. I was brought up in the Roman Catholic Church and I was taught that the Pope is infallible in his teachings. My proof was when what Jesus Said I will give you the words. That is what I was taught referred to scripture. That was our promise from Jesus that Peter had the keys to the kingdom (the kingdom on earth is the church) the Keys I was taught in the OT meant KNOWLEDGE. so i AM VERY CONFUSED HERE. If Peter was given the key to the kingdom, he was given the KNOWLEDGE OF FAITH, If we can not believe that the Pope (PETER) still has the keys where is the Roman Catholic Church to turn, Now you tell me? The Keys were given to Peter through the one and Only Jesus Christ. So i dont know what else to say.I’m sorry, but you are wrong as well. The Catholic Church doesn’t claim that the Pope is infallible whenever he teaches anything about faith and morals. (If you haven’t already seen it, you should take a look at the thread Is this heretical?)
You should find out what they really teach and not put them all in one basket. That mentality is outdated and contageous. They teach people to love Jesus. That’s why Catholics send their kids to vacation bible school.They still teach heresy. Those who have been raised in their heretical traditions, and through no fault of their own do not accept the fullness of Catholic teaching are not formal heretics because they have made no formal break with Catholic teaching. Still, they remain material heretics because they hold heretical doctrines.
I think you’re misunderstanding what mercygate said. He/she never denied that Protestants teach a lot of good things, too.You should find out what they really teach and not put them all in one basket. That mentality is outdated and contageous. They teach people to love Jesus. That’s why Catholics send their kids to vacation bible school.
Heretic is a derogatory term. They teach heresy? You can’t put all in the same category. Many people leave the Catholic Church because they want a closer walk with God.I think you’re misunderstanding what mercygate said. He/she never denied that Protestants teach a lot of good things, too.
Heresy is heresy, however politically incorrect it might be. It is dangerous to teach otherwise.You should find out what they really teach and not put them all in one basket. That mentality is outdated and contageous. They teach people to love Jesus. That’s why Catholics send their kids to vacation bible school.
Heresy is not a derogatory term. The root of the word is the Greek word for “choice.” It means that one has chosen to embrace a belief that is inconsistent with Christianity, as understood by the font of the Faith: the Catholic Church. Even a Protestant may properly use the term “heresy” correctly when speaking of aberrant doctrines of God, such as those held by the JWs and LDSs.Heretic is a derogatory term. They teach heresy? You can’t put all in the same category. Many people leave the Catholic Church because they want a closer walk with God.
I will tell you what Peter J, On Friday it is my 28 wed aniversary, I will be with Father all day because my daughter is getting married the next day, I will find out where i was either mislead on this, or what I am missing. Because I just cant understand what you are trying to get to. Im not saying your are wrong, but I really believe you are. But I will let you know if not before, come Monday. (if im still alive that is),Hi rinnie,
I’m pretty sure that your question has already been addressed in this thread, but I don’t remember where exactly. So rather than telling you to read 300+ posts, I would suggest looking at the thread Is this heretical? (which is a lot shorter).
If you’re still confused after that, you might try talking to your parish priest.
Sounds like a plan.I will tell you what Peter J, On Friday it is my 28 wed aniversary, I will be with Father all day because my daughter is getting married the next day, I will find out where i was either mislead on this, or what I am missing. Because I just cant understand what you are trying to get to. Im not saying your are wrong, but I really believe you are. But I will let you know if not before, come Monday. (if im still alive that is),
I assume you’re aware, ron, that Protestants consider Catholics to be heretics? How did that fit in with your thinking?Heretic is a derogatory term. They teach heresy? You can’t put all in the same category. Many people leave the Catholic Church because they want a closer walk with God.