The irony of Constantine's sainthood among Eastern Orthodox

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His wife, fausta, was found innocent afterward.

In 310 Constantine beat and strangled the old Emperor Maximian, whose daughter Fausta he had married; and in 312 (the labarum year) he set out for Rome to try his strength against his brother-in-law Maxentius.
– The Story of Religious Controversy, by Joseph McCabe

He was also baptized by Eusebius of nicomedia, (a very prominent Arian priest bent on destroying the church) who Constantine seems to have been under the influence of for some time.
I am not condoning murder but Maximian and Maxentius deserved to die, just as Hitler, Stalin, Bin Laden, etc. Those two were ruthless persecutors of Christians. When they weren’t killing Christians they were blinding them in one eye, cutting one achilles tendon and sending them to forced labor camps.

Constantine and his father Constantius did not persecute the Christians even prior to Constantine’s vision in the Sun.

He did not like Eusebius of nicomedia. He had wanted to get baptized at the Jordan River but sensed he was about to die and could not wait and so he had to get baptized by Eusebius of nicomedia. Constantine was close to another Eusebius, called Eusebius of Caesarea who was a good guy. Eusebius of Caesarea wrote the Life of Constantine and History of the Church.
 
I am not condoning murder but Maximian and Maxentius deserved to die, just as Hitler, Stalin, Bin Laden, etc. Those two were ruthless persecutors of Christians. When they weren’t killing Christians they were blinding them in one eye, cutting one achilles tendon and sending them to forced labor camps.

Constantine and his father Constantius did not persecute the Christians even prior to Constantine’s vision in the Sun.
I don’t believe anyone deserves to die, but they were bad people. If Constantine had killed them in defense of the Christian faith, that might be a different story. But he killed them because of greed.
 
Interestingly, as far as I can tell the Holy Theotokos and the Apostles never underwent a formal canonization process by any churh, they were simply assumed to be saints.
There has to be a pun in there somewhere. 😃
 
I don’t believe anyone deserves to die, but they were bad people. If Constantine had killed them in defense of the Christian faith, that might be a different story. But he killed them because of greed.
He showed mercy and spared Maximian’s life. He killed him after discovering Maximian was making another attempt to kill him.

By the time of Maxentius, he considered himself on a mission from God that had begun in York.

His exact statement is as follows:
'God sought my service and judged that service fitted to achieve His purpose. Starting from Britain God had scattered the evil powers that mankind might be recalled to true religion instructed through my agency, and that the blessed faith might spread under His guiding hand. And from the West, believing that this gift had been entrusted to myself, I have come to the East which was in sorer need of my aid. At the same time I am absolutely persuaded that I owe my whole life, my every breath, and in a word my most secret thoughts to the supreme God.

BTW, Constantine did not like Eusebius of nicomedia. He had wanted to get baptized at the Jordan River but sensed he was about to die and could not wait and so he had to get baptized by Eusebius of nicomedia. Constantine was close to another Eusebius, called Eusebius of Caesarea who was a good guy. Eusebius of Caesarea wrote the Life of Constantine and History of the Church.
 
His wife, fausta, was found innocent afterward.
Which is a knock against the death penalty, not Constantine.
In 310 Constantine beat and strangled the old Emperor Maximian, whose daughter Fausta he had married; and in 312 (the labarum year) he set out for Rome to try his strength against his brother-in-law Maxentius.
– The Story of Religious Controversy, by Joseph McCabe
I don’t know much about this period of Roman history but if what one poster wrote is true, it does not sound like Constantine was acting like a cold-blooded killer, but in self-defense and defense of the Church. The emperor’s job wasn’t easy and it was fraught with danger.

Wasn’t the Roman emperor a sort of “supreme Earthly authority” that could bring the sword to punish wrong-doers in accordance with the entire thirteenth chapter of Paul’s letter to the Romans?

While I am not saying Constantine was completely just in his actions, I am not certain he actually did anything wrong in the cases cited.
 
Which is a knock against the death penalty, not Constantine.

I don’t know much about this period of Roman history but if what one poster wrote is true, it does not sound like Constantine was acting like a cold-blooded killer, but in self-defense and defense of the Church. The emperor’s job wasn’t easy and it was fraught with danger.

Wasn’t the Roman emperor a sort of “supreme Earthly authority” that could bring the sword to punish wrong-doers in accordance with the entire thirteenth chapter of Paul’s letter to the Romans?

While I am not saying Constantine was completely just in his actions, I am not certain he actually did anything wrong in the cases cited.
In fact, at that time the emperor was the Supreme Pontiff. 😛

Of course, that meant chief priest of Rome, it didn’t mean he was a bishop of the Christian church.

This was an age when the man had every reason to expect to be overthrown, and his adherence to Christianity (the religion of his mother) would have been enough of a reason to justify renewed civil wars. Any old soldier can tell us that there are times when a man at arms will do what he would much rather forget, because he is called to do it. He did his share, probably more than his share.

He did some despicable things in his life, it is true, but he lived in a violent age (I am not condoning anything). I believe that he did have a genuine conversion experience, although he might not have fully understood what it was to mean to him later.

He was eventually a patron of the church, and some might reasonably say that he acted as a midwife to the newly emerging (from hiding in the catacombs) institution. He brought the church out from hiding and into the light of day. People thought it was a miracle, it was so unlikely and so fortuitous.

He first consolidated a hold on the western half of the empire, and legalized Christianity from his capital at Milan, more than ten years before he took control of the east (with it’s much larger Christian population). While the church was still illegal and persecuted in the eastern half, he called the first general council of the west, held at Arles (in France today).

He gave public buildings to the church, for public worship. He gave the bishop of Rome the Lateran palace (once owned by the great Laterani family, it was one of many surplus royal estates). He also constructed the original basilica of Saint Peter on Vatican hill over the resting place of saint Simon Peter, and later he built the original church of the Holy Sepulchre over the tomb of Jesus.

He also called and sponsored (after victory in the east) the first ecumenical (empire-wide) Council, and put up the bishops at his own expense in his royal palace at Nicea.

He was a complex character.
 
I personally am a fan of Constantine 😃

Since he is venerated as a saint in the Eastern Catholic Churches, he is a Saint in the Catholic Church and therefore is 100% in heaven. So I think that we should start with that premise, since we are Catholics, and then work backwards.

As an Anglican priest recently said, “Experts in the field of early Christianity now believe that Constantine was a genuine Christian who earnestly tried to apply his faith to his role as Emperor”.

The view of Constantine in academia has recently, but slowly, been shifting from bias against him to a position favourable of him.

The Fausta incident has been resolved in the most recent historical writings on Constantine, I think. All of the recent writings show the complexity of the situation, and how Constantine’s involvement was either non-existent or partial. It is now largely thought that Fausta was trying to have an abortion, for example, since in Ancient Rome they believed that hot baths would kill babies in the womb. Her and Crispus definetly had a sexual affair in my opinion, either he raped her as she claimed or it was a genuine affair, since all the ancient sources seem to agree on this point.

So we can conclude that his wife and son betrayed him, had an affair. He exiled his son and his wife, in regret, tried to have an abortion which went horribly wrong as often happened before the advancves of medicine…As for Crispus his circumstances of death are really odd…There is no known punishment for use of poison as execution. The most likely situation was that Crispus, in his exile, committed suicide since that was considered the “noble thing” to do in Roman times. No one really knows about him though.

One historically possible scenario delineated now goes as follows…

David Woods:

“Crispus and Fausta had sex, whether consensual or rape (it is impossible to know). Fausta became pregnant. Constantine could hardly have ignored such a flagrant violation of family and political order. What was his response?..If they were both guilty, the death penalty for adultery was on the books, and Constantine was within his legal rights to condemn them…Yet there is no other evidence that Constantine applied the death penalty for adultery, and the manner of Crispus’ death is unusual. He died by poison on the out-of-the-way island of Pola. Had he been executed, he would have been beheaded rather than poisoned. And the location is unusual too. Shortly before this incident Constantine had exiled a senator because of adultery, and it is possible that Crispus too was exiled. The exiled Crispus was possibly given the chance that many Romans before had been given, to bury his shame in suicide. Fausta’s manner of death is even more unusual…Ancient medical treatises sometimes recommended hot-baths to induce abortion, and Fausta, pregnant by her stepson, may have died in a botched abortion attempt…In short…Constantine wanted neither Fausta nor Crispus dead…he setenced his son to exile and…his wife [had] an abortion which, like many ancient abortions, went wrong”

Constantine also spent the rest of his life in grief and atonement for the loss of his wife and son…that’s why he spent so much time building churches and praying…So who are we to judge him?

I’m not suggesting he was a flawless angel. No human being - even saints. He was an Emperor who lived in one of the most barbarous periods of history when common citizens of Rome actually enjoyed watching innocent men and women hacking each other apart and getting eaten by lions in the colesseum. For his time and taking into account the fact that he’d been brought up a warrior in a bloody time of civil war, the worst period of Roman history, I think he was very advanced for his era. He brought in full religious liberty, for the first time in history, ended the Roman Gladiatorial Games, banned crucifixtion and other cruel forms of torture and increased the social welfare of citizens of the Empire.

We don’t know what really happened to Crispus and Fausta. Historians seem to agree that:
  • Fausta and Crispus seem to have been in some kind of sexual relationship
  • Fausta claimed that Crispus had raped her
  • For this Constantine exiled his son to a faraway island, as he usually did for adulterers whereas most previous Emperors and indeed Roman Law stipulated execution in such cases
  • Crispus, Constantine’s beloved son (and I mean he REALLY appears to have doted upon him from the sources, since he groomed him to be the next Caesar) was then found dead with poison. He should have been hanged, if he was executed, which tells us that he must have taken his own life
  • His mother Helena was saddened and agrieved by her beloved grandson’s death that she told Constantine that Fausta had lied. Crispus hadn’t raped her, rather they’d been having an illicit relationship.
  • Fausta appears to - or at least might - have become pregnant and gone into a hot bath to try and induce an abortion (it was believed in Roman times that piping hot baths would induce abortion, but as with Fausta, such practices often ended badly)
(continued…)
 
Historians all agree that Fausta and Crispus were not political rivals to Constantine. So if he did have them executed then we are left with only one conclusion: He did not have them killed for political gain. They committed adultery and that was there crime.

But we do not know if Constantine did actually have them both killed.

As for Constantine, we know that he had a very quick and rash temper. He often acted impulsively, as we can see in the case of his son and wife. And yet he was loved by Pagans - and hailed even by non-Christians as a liberator.

Constantine was presented as a paragon of virtue. Even pagans like Praxagoras of Athens and Libanius showered him with praise. Since non-Christians are not going to be biased, I find it important that they did not seem to perceive a “cruel side” to him.

So I’m a fan of Constantine.
 
I for one am glad Constantine is not formally canonized in the Rman Catholic Church. He murdered his own son and wife, at the behest of his mother Helena.
Not uncommon at all in the world of Roman politics. As one of my professors would say:

One would not become Roman emperor by being nice.

That is for sure!
 
Not uncommon at all in the world of Roman politics. As one of my professors would say:

One would not become Roman emperor by being nice.

That is for sure!
I think that one would find that many of his successors (all Christians except for Julian the Apostate), were pretty much cut from the same cloth.

And the Christian kings of the successor states in the west and east were a mixed bag too.
 
I think that one would find that many of his successors (all Christians except for Julian the Apostate), were pretty much cut from the same cloth.

And the Christian kings of the successor states in the west and east were a mixed bag too.
That is true my brother in Christ. I know many non-Catholics or non-Orthodox tend to mention the horrible men like Constantine and other Western kings throughout the ages who considered themselves Christians and did horrible deeds. Understandable,but unfortunately no one ever said all Christians would be ideal role models for others,despite their titles or positions. I know of many good and very loyal Christians all of faiths and I also know many Catholics who are horrible in terms of their life styles and so on. We are all sinners and God knows it,thus he left His church for us all.
 
Historians all agree that Fausta and Crispus were not political rivals to Constantine. So if he did have them executed then we are left with only one conclusion: He did not have them killed for political gain. They committed adultery and that was there crime.

But we do not know if Constantine did actually have them both killed.

As for Constantine, we know that he had a very quick and rash temper. He often acted impulsively, as we can see in the case of his son and wife. And yet he was loved by Pagans - and hailed even by non-Christians as a liberator.

Constantine was presented as a paragon of virtue. Even pagans like Praxagoras of Athens and Libanius showered him with praise. Since non-Christians are not going to be biased, I find it important that they did not seem to perceive a “cruel side” to him.

So I’m a fan of Constantine.
According to Prof Charles M. Odhal, in his book Constantine and the Roman Empire, the rivalry was between Fausta and Crispus. Fausta wanted her children to inherit the Empire. She set up both Crispus and Constantine. She accused Crispus of trying to rape her. Constantine had recently passed a morality law and felt bound to the law even though Crispus was his favorite son and also a great military leader. Crispus was given the option to commited suicide, I think by some kind of poison, and he did so.

Constantine, found out the truth about Fausta from Crispus’ grandmother and sentenced her to death also.
 
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