The Islamic Punishment Of Thieves

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Compare this Quranic verse

“Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done—a deterrent from God: God is almighty and wise. 39 But if anyone repents after his wrongdoing and makes amends, God will accept his repentance: God is most forgiving and merciful.”
(Sura 5:38)

to these Biblical verses

“If a man steals an ox or a sheep, and slaughters it or sells it, he shall restore five oxen for an ox and four sheep for a sheep. 2 If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed. 3 If the sun has risen on him, there shall be guilt for his bloodshed. He should make full restitution; if he has nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft. 4 If the theft is certainly found alive in his hand, whether it is an ox or donkey or sheep, he shall restore double.”
(Exodus 22:1-4)

"Then Zacchaeus stood and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord, I give half of my goods to the poor; and if I have taken anything from anyone by false accusation, I restore fourfold.”
9 And Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because he also is a son of Abraham; 10 for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”
(Luke 19:8-10)

“Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need”
(Ephesians 4:28)

"3. The Quran permits the cutting off of the hands of both male and female thieves.

5:38 Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done—a deterrent from God: God is almighty and wise. 39 But if anyone repents after his wrongdoing and makes amends, God will accept his repentance: God is most forgiving and merciful.



One day, he entered Jericho, just to pass through. A short man, Zacchaeus, a chief tax collector, and wealthy, wanted to see who Jesus was, so he ran ahead along Jesus’ path, and climbed a sycamore tree to get a good look at him above the crowds. Jesus approached, saw him, and invited himself to dinner, and Zacchaeus was glad to have him in his large house. Though the people muttered that Jesus should not spend time in a sinner’s house, Zacchaeus was so overwhelmed that he said to him:

Luke 19:8-9 “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.” 9 Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost.”

Jesus answers the self-righteous “judges” of Zacchaeus: “. . . this man, too, is a son of Abraham.” Thus, Jesus came to save the lost, even if they were major thieves. He did not order that his hand should be cut off. Besides, the Torah itself does not prescribe such punishment, so why should Jesus be crueler than it, which was sacred to him and which orders restitution (Ex. 22:3; Lev. 6:4)?

…Paul in his epistle to the Ephesians recommends a remedy for thieves:

4:28 He who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with his own hands, that he may have something to share with those in need.

The verb tense in “[h]e who has been stealing” signifies that the thief has been stealing habitually. Evidently, Paul believes that a thief like that can undergo reform if he works with his own hands, so that he can share his product with the needy. The irony is rich: his hands should be employed, not cut off. The New Testament does not shift from severity to mercy in a flash.

Thus, we on the outside of Islam are allowed to ask whether the Quran’s punishments are better than Paul’s “punishment” or Jesus’ bringing about the repentance of Zacchaeus (a non-punishment), without either leader threatening to cut off hands. Does the Quran (the source of sharia) guide society better than the New Testament does? Would God send Gabriel down to Muhammad with such a message? Should this message supercede the New Testament?"

Taken from “(Non)excessive punishments in the Quran” by James Arlandson americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=3856&search=Arlandson
 
Cyber Knight:
cutting hands off as punishment for thieves is inhuman.
and you believe that the legislation of the death penalty for a woman who is raped but does not call for help isn’t??? or how about working on the sabbath???

the bible calls for the death penalty for these crimes. are they inhumane???
 
gonzales, stop with your ‘OT style’ i was just saying some thing simple. Is stealing must be punished by cutting the hands? I have seen muslim cutting the hands off a thief and have seen they beheading their victim and I think that was cruel action they have done in the name of religion. Its barbaric. It’s inhuman.
 
Cyber Knight:
i was just saying some thing simple. Is stealing must be punished by cutting the hands? I have seen muslim cutting the hands off a thief and have seen they beheading their victim and I think that was cruel action they have done in the name of religion. Its barbaric. It’s inhuman.
answer the question. simple enough, isn’t it?
 
"How Jesus fulfills the law

In private emails to me or on the worldwide web, Muslim apologists frequently cite the Torah to demonstrate how excessive and harsh the Bible is. So who am I or other Christians to critique the Quran? But this completely misunderstands around 1,400 years of Old Testament history, beginning from the time when tradition says Moses lived up to the advent of Jesus, and it completely misunderstands a standard Christian interpretation of the Old Testament.

First, Christians honor the Old Testament, but they also take this multifaceted document in its historical context. The Torah was part and parcel of its culture. It either reflects its culture (like some architectural features of the tabernacle), or it improves on its culture (ethical monotheism). Not all of the old law applies to today’s world. Second, Christians look back at the Old Testament through the vision of Jesus. It is true that the Old Testament endorses the stoning of adulterers (Lev. 20:10; Deut. 22:22), and other punishments for fornicators, including a monetary fine and stoning, depending on the circumstances (Ex. 22:16-17; Deut. 22:23-26; 28-29). However, for Christians, Jesus’ interpretation of these laws is final. He takes away their sharp sting with his death on the cross and by his sinless life and divine love.

Moreover, it should be pointed out that even the Old Testament itself is silent on the actual carrying out of the punishment of stoning adulterers and fornicators, though it does cite an instance of stoning a man for blasphemy (Levitcus 24:10-16) and of executing some ancient Hebrews for mixing sexual immorality with the worship of false gods (Numbers 25:1-16). Curiously, the Muslim scholar Maududi says that the ancient Hebrews wrongly fell short of carrying out the divine decree for adultery and fornication (3:293-94). Islam is here to rectify this shortcoming, so the later religion is superior, as he says. It is breathtaking to watch traditional Muslims like Maududi blithely restoring archaic laws to society today.

Jesus came to fulfill the law or Torah, not to abolish it (Matthew 5:17). He fulfills it in at least three ways, but the one we look at here takes away the law’s severe punishments. This benefits all of society, especially today.

Jesus fulfills the law by taking on himself the penalty for our sins. The Torah is filled with specific punishments for specific sins, but his death on the cross satisfies and propitiates divine wrath that is directed at our sins—this is the Christian doctrine of the atonement. It is for this reason that a Christian could never give up this doctrine and must totally reject Muhammad’s odd view that Christ never died on the cross, but another man took his place (Sura 4:157). Muhammad’s belief is completely misguided. Christ’s death is God’s gift to us. We are saved and on our way to heaven, not based on our own works, but on Christ’s good work on the cross. Therefore, those who trust in Christ do not have to pay the penalty for their sins.

For more information on how Jesus fulfills the Old Testament, click on this article ."

Taken from
“Come, ye sinners, get flogged and stoned in Islam!
Or be forgiven, healed, and restored by Jesus!”
by James M. Arlandson
answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/flogging.htm
 
discipleofJesus said:
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all irrelevant. the point is that christians believe the laws in the OT were ordained by Allah. by virtue of the fact that these laws were ordained by Allah, they can neither be unjust, nor inhumane.
 
Cutting the hands of thieves is unjust and cruel. The Bible, including the Old Testament, has a better solution.

Compare this Quranic verse

“Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done—a deterrent from God: God is almighty and wise. 39 But if anyone repents after his wrongdoing and makes amends, God will accept his repentance: God is most forgiving and merciful.”
(Sura 5:38)

to these Biblical verses

“If a man steals an ox or a sheep, and slaughters it or sells it, he shall restore five oxen for an ox and four sheep for a sheep. 2 If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed. 3 If the sun has risen on him, there shall be guilt for his bloodshed. He should make full restitution; if he has nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft. 4 If the theft is certainly found alive in his hand, whether it is an ox or donkey or sheep, he shall restore double.”
(Exodus 22:1-4)

"Then Zacchaeus stood and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord, I give half of my goods to the poor; and if I have taken anything from anyone by false accusation, I restore fourfold.”
9 And Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because he also is a son of Abraham; 10 for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”
(Luke 19:8-10)

“Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need”
(Ephesians 4:28)
 
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discipleofJesus:
Cutting the hands of thieves is unjust and cruel.
and again…
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r.gonzales:
and you believe that the legislation of the death penalty for a woman who is raped but does not call for help isn’t??? or how about working on the sabbath???

the bible calls for the death penalty for these crimes. are they inhumane???
 
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r.gonzales:
the bible calls for the death penalty for these crimes. are they inhumane???
Do you see Christians kill someone juts because they work on the sabbath day??? :confused:
 
Cyber Knight:
Do you see Christians kill someone juts because they work on the sabbath day??? :confused:
Regardless of whether or not the laws are still followed, they were at one point in time commanded by God. The question is, do you believe God commanded something inhumane?
 
hehehe…Clever boy Gonzalees and clever girl faith,

You need to learn to understand these words:…heheh…

OLD testament

NEW testament

If there’s a NEW testament, do we still be in OLD testament?

hehehehe…so back again…tell me something inhuman in NEW testament…

By the way…how about killing apostates…cutting thieves’ hands…stoning adultress…hehehe…
 
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Faith101:
Regardless of whether or not the laws are still followed, they were at one point in time commanded by God. The question is, do you believe God commanded something inhumane?
I think that rules were stated in the OT not NT. I read many time Catholics explain about OT and NT. You never understand it. :rolleyes:
 
Cyber Knight:
Do you see Christians kill someone juts because they work on the sabbath day??? :confused:
that doesn’t answer the question. answer the question, please.
 
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footy:
You need to learn to understand these words:…heheh…

OLD testament

NEW testament

If there’s a NEW testament, do we still be in OLD testament?
do you deny that the laws in the OT were ordained by the same God of the NT? or were both testaments from the same God?
 
Cyber Knight said:
DO you know why Jesus come down to earth?

Yes, to relay the same message of Abraham, Moses and all the messengers before them…there is one God, worship Him.
 
To Gonzales&Faith, I DO NOT believe god revealed inhumane message. It was God’s punishment for us by his words not commanding the prophets to kill for punishment.
 
Cyber Knight:
It was God’s punishment for us by his words not commanding the prophets to kill for punishment.
:hmmm: so, you mean to say that God legislated punishments that weren’t really meant to be applied when the laws they’re connected to were broken; they were just there as empty threats?
 
I believe gods law is not empty punishment. He will punish you with his own way not through the hand of prophet after Jesus. As long as you never well understood about Jesus for Christian then go stick with law you have. And The World have seen what have they done and we bore withness for it. Thanks for your fellows in allah.
 
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