The "Kitchen Sink" Mass?

[Canto]

“If you can have nuns clouting guitars, you can have Haydn!”

Genius quote

Currently in Sydney, at the Cathedral (technically a Basilica I believe), for the main Sunday Mass they usually do classical settings of the Mass and motets, Mozart, Pallestrina, Byrd etc. They also use the Roman Gradual

 

[ChurchTorch]

Yeah, but that’s not the purpose of this thread. What ChurchTorch is doing here, as far as I can see, is saying “Okay, its Easter, and we’re celebrating in the Ordinary Form. Give me everything that we can put together at my parish to emphasize the solemnity of this high holy day. I want ‘the kitchen sink’”. I think that’s a great idea.

Well said!

 

[Ockham]

The liturgy itself should be enough to emphasize the solemnity of the day. I understand what you are seeking, as it exposes one of the inherent problems with the OF. To give the most reverence possible at Mass find an EF. That way you can focus on God and not worry about such distractions.

Hayden is much prefered over guitars though.

 

[AJV]

All of the Eucharistic Prayer except the Consecration can be silent.

Although I have heard this argument before, it cannot. The rubrics of the missal when taken in conjunction with the Ceremonial of Bishops and the replies of the CDW seem clear that the entire Eucharistic Prayer is said aloud.

 

[Lujack]

The liturgy itself should be enough to emphasize the solemnity of the day. I understand what you are seeking, as it exposes one of the inherent problems with the OF. To give the most reverence possible at Mass find an EF. That way you can focus on God and not worry about such distractions.

Hayden is much prefered over guitars though.

Well now wait a minute, even back in the older days, certain things were added to the solemnity of Holy Days to emphasize how important they were. My father can remember when he was an altar boy, everybody wanted to get the midnight Mass on Christmas because that had the most pomp and circumstance and special vestments for the altar boys were broken out. This was in the late 1950’s. And only for certain holidays was the Mass a solemn high Mass; ordinary Sundays for my mother and father, even in a northeastern city, tended to be the Missa Cantata. And of course, even then, the interior of the church was decorated in a special way for major holidays.

 

[lizaanne]

Seriously how awesome would it be to have Easter Sunday Mass as we have described? Don’t forget the Vidi Aquam at the sprinkling with Holy Water half-way through the Mass.

This is exactly what we will have at our parish!!! Sooooo looking forward to it!!!

Oh - not sure this applies actually now that I think of it, our Mass will be TLM.

~Liza

 

[benedictgal]

I’ve heard this on EWTN. We do it during the Easter Vigil of course but is it allowed outside of the Easter Vigil? I guess it would really be nothing more than a musical instrument in that context?

The incense at the Consecration happens quite frequently during Papal Masses. The bells at the Gloria occur during the Evening Mass of the Lord’s Supper as well as during the Easter Vigil.

 

[ChurchTorch]

…“If you can have nuns clouting guitars, you can have Haydn!”

At our solemn Mass for the Annunciation, our schola cantorum (the very best of our adult choir) was paired with a quartet: piano, classical guitar, violin and flugel horn. All 4 are professional musicians. They were awesome and they gave glory to God through the gifts He gave them.

Whenever I see the piano, guitar or certain other musical instruments denigrated out of hand as if they are intrinsically unsuited to the Mass, I’ll simply laugh at the comment and remember that gorgeous Mass on such an important feast.

 

[ChurchTorch]

Although I have heard this argument before, it cannot. The rubrics of the missal when taken in conjunction with the Ceremonial of Bishops and the replies of the CDW seem clear that the entire Eucharistic Prayer is said aloud.

Even if the EP was allowed to be silent in the OF, I would see that as less solemn with less pageantry than the EP audibly chanted.

 

[mwscott]

How about a chalice veil and burse, a tabernacle veil, amices, cassocks and surplices on the altar servers (with lace), lace albs for the deacons and priest, two deacons with dalmatics, birettas, a properly dressed altar (with three clothes), an antependium (and lectern fall), not only 6 candles on the altar but an altar crucifix (if not ad orientum) and sanctuary bells run at the beginning of Mass, when the people are to kneel and at the consecrations.

 

[rpp]

How about liturgical dance, the litany of saints including “good” people like Gandhi and Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy, the option of grape juice instead of wine and having a paid musician sing the consecration while playing his guitar and seated directly in front of the alter while the priest silently carries out the physical actions (well, most of them)?

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Okay just kidding. (But I have personally been present at “Mass” when every one of these occurred.)

 

[ChurchTorch]

How about a chalice veil and burse, a tabernacle veil, amices, cassocks and surplices on the altar servers (with lace), lace albs for the deacons and priest, two deacons with dalmatics, birettas, a properly dressed altar (with three clothes), an antependium (and lectern fall), not only 6 candles on the altar but an altar crucifix (if not ad orientum) and sanctuary bells run at the beginning of Mass, when the people are to kneel and at the consecrations.

Got the chalice and ciborium veils, and a chalice pall. I really need to find a tabernacle veil, although I’m not sure it will fit at the top of our tabernacle has a crucifix on it.

Amices don’t work with a cassock/surplice. They aren’t needed and they don’t look right. They are meant to be worn with some albs.

Thanks, great (name removed by moderator)uts!

 

[Poco]

I’m so confused! I must’ve been born to be an ascetic!

 

[Revs96]

Although I have heard this argument before, it cannot. The rubrics of the missal when taken in conjunction with the Ceremonial of Bishops and the replies of the CDW seem clear that the entire Eucharistic Prayer is said aloud.

Rubrics # 32, 89, & 91 of the Roman Missal (OF) say that it can. Most importantly, #32 says that the priest MAY say the EP in an audible voice, therefore it is only optional. the other two rubrics regard the consecration, which it specifically states must be aloud and the memorial acclamation.

 

[JerrySeibert]

Reverence.

 

[Catholicben]

maniples!

patens!

ad orientem, biretta, communion rail

use the chants in the of version of the roman gradual (gregorian missal): Introit, gradual (replaces the responsorial psalm), sequence (if there is one), alleluia, offertory, communion. The ordinary according to a setting in the gradual. Chant the creed.

an omission of the apparently optional sign of peace.

yes! Yes! Yes!