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Bahman
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We can define the Knowledge as a set of indisputable facts. Fact is an expression what reality is. Hence the Knowledge cannot be created.
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GEddie
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Facts do not become knowledge until they are processed by a mind (head, if human).
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Richca
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The knowledge in God’s intellect is eternal and uncreated as his being is. Rational creatures such as angels and human beings have a created intellect and thus the knowledge in the creature’s intellect is something created. Otherwise a creature would have the mind of God and an eternal intellect. The knowledge of the beatific vision, however, wherein the blessed see God face to face concerns the uncreated Truth, God himself.We can define the Knowledge as a set of indisputable facts. Fact is an expression what reality is. Hence the Knowledge cannot be created.
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Bahman
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We get facts by processing information. We then get knowledge by forming a consistent minimal set of facts.Facts do not become knowledge until they are processed by a mind (head, if human).
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Bahman
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Knowledge is not created in creatures mind. We understand knowledge by combining a minimal consistent set of facts and learn about facts by processing information. We just need to be cognitively open to knowledge and being able to process information to get facts.The knowledge in God’s intellect is eternal and uncreated as his being is. Rational creatures such as angels and human beings have a created intellect and thus the knowledge in the creature’s intellect is something created. Otherwise a creature would have the mind of God and an eternal intellect. The knowledge of the beatific vision, however, wherein the blessed see God face to face concerns the uncreated Truth, God himself.
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wanstronian
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Facts and knowledge are not the same thing. The earth orbits the sun. That is a fact, whether or not it is known. It was a fact long before anybody existed to know it.
You can know facts; you can know processes; you can know people and places.
Knowledge is learned. So in that sense it is created. At one point nobody knew how aerofoils worked. Then people learned, through observation, trial and error, and application. That knowledge, which once didn’t exist, now exists. It was created.
You can know facts; you can know processes; you can know people and places.
Knowledge is learned. So in that sense it is created. At one point nobody knew how aerofoils worked. Then people learned, through observation, trial and error, and application. That knowledge, which once didn’t exist, now exists. It was created.
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Bahman
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I defined knowledge and fact differently.Facts and knowledge are not the same thing. The earth orbits the sun. That is a fact, whether or not it is known. It was a fact long before anybody existed to know it.
What is your definition of knowledge?Knowledge is learned. So in that sense it is created. At one point nobody knew how aerofoils worked. Then people learned, through observation, trial and error, and application. That knowledge, which once didn’t exist, now exists. It was created.
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Sacred_Heart_1
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Are there other expressions of reality? Infinite dimensions and the such. This reality is not perfect in its unity to the Holy Spirit; therefore, knowledge of this reality must be created. Only the perfect reality (in God) is uncreated. That knowledge must be attained through the Spirit of Truth because only the Truth is without creator, of which Father, Son and Holy Spirit are. The Truth is a person. In it’s expression Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the Truth because of their perfect unity in truth. They don’t become the Truth, they are the Truth. Only the reality of this unity is knowledge that cannot be created. It always is, was and will be.We can define the Knowledge as a set of indisputable facts. Fact is an expression what reality is. Hence the Knowledge cannot be created.
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kdbueno
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Marian conception deems the responsibility of Mary to reveal conscious facts by reason of not offending someone’s dignity.
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Sacred_Heart_1
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Is it not offensive to a child’s dignity to show them visions of hell, like in Fatima?Marian conception deems the responsibility of Mary to reveal conscious facts by reason of not offending someone’s dignity.
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Bahman
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The Reality is deep underneath of what we can ever experience. God cannot possibly create the knowledge since knowledge is needed to create anything included knowledge.Are there other expressions of reality? Infinite dimensions and the such. This reality is not perfect in its unity to the Holy Spirit; therefore, knowledge of this reality must be created. Only the perfect reality (in God) is uncreated. That knowledge must be attained through the Spirit of Truth because only the Truth is without creator, of which Father, Son and Holy Spirit are. The Truth is a person. In it’s expression Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the Truth because of their perfect unity in truth. They don’t become the Truth, they are the Truth. Only the reality of this unity is knowledge that cannot be created. It always is, was and will be.
We could define knowledge that way.We can define the Knowledge as a set of indisputable facts. Fact is an expression what reality is. Hence the Knowledge cannot be created.
But why create problems for ourselves?
It would be much better to define the terms properly.
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Bahman
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Good.We could define knowledge that way.
I don’t understand your question.But why create problems for ourselves?
What is your definition?It would be much better to define the terms properly.
It is not the one you propose.What is your definition?
A simple set of facts (indisputable or otherwise) is not knowledge.
Knowledge refers to what a person knows.
And in that case, knowledge is created on an ongoing basis as a person learns.
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Bahman
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Do you think that 1+1=2 is created? How it could be otherwise? It is a simple fact that cannot be created.Are there other expressions of reality? Infinite dimensions and the such. This reality is not perfect in its unity to the Holy Spirit; therefore, knowledge of this reality must be created. Only the perfect reality (in God) is uncreated. That knowledge must be attained through the Spirit of Truth because only the Truth is without creator, of which Father, Son and Holy Spirit are. The Truth is a person. In it’s expression Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the Truth because of their perfect unity in truth. They don’t become the Truth, they are the Truth. Only the reality of this unity is knowledge that cannot be created. It always is, was and will be.
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Bahman
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We learn knowledge by observing reality and processing our observations, so called learning. We don’t create anything.It is not the one you propose.
A simple set of facts (indisputable or otherwise) is not knowledge.
Knowledge refers to what a person knows.
And in that case, knowledge is created on an ongoing basis as a person learns.
This seems to be an ongoing theme.We learn knowledge by observing reality and processing our observations, so called learning. We don’t create anything.
You are defining your terms wrong.
Knowledge refers to what we know.
Your knowledge is different from mine. Each of us has a different set of factsthat we know as well as fallacies.
Every day we learn more.
And the set of knowledge grows.
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GEddie
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We can imagine that the sphere of human knowledge grows slowly as new discoveries are made or new inventions or works in the arts are created; within this are the four-dimensional Venn diagrams of smaller orbs formed by the knowledge in each human head.
Knowledge is lost as well as gained, when e.g. an obscure language is forgotten, or when each head dies; but the sphere of knowledge continues to grow slowly.
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Knowledge is lost as well as gained, when e.g. an obscure language is forgotten, or when each head dies; but the sphere of knowledge continues to grow slowly.
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Bahman
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I think so because you don’t want to accept the fact.This seems to be an ongoing theme.
What is your definition? And what is wrong with my definition?You are defining your terms wrong.
That is no really a definition.Knowledge refers to what we know.
So what?Your knowledge is different from mine. Each of us has a different set of facts that we know as well as fallacies.
Can you define learning please? You claimed that we create knowledge in post #14. How 1+1=2 can be create by us when we are dealing with this as a indisputable fact?Every day we learn more.
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