The Koran on Jesus's Crucifixion - what it says

[Eucharisted]

Saying you are the Messiah is not the same as saying you are God Almighty. In fact Messiah means the annointed one(chosen one). I was talking about why they refused his Messianship, because he criticized their religious traditions. The Pharisees were a sect among others, but they were the most extreme in their oral traditions. Other Jewish sects were more liberal regarding the oral traditions. Sunnis are the same as the Pharisees.

Jesus said He was both God and Messiah, and the Jews knew this. That’s why they accused Him of blasphey. The Jews rejected Jesus as Messiah because He claimed to be God. Every time the Pharisees questioned Jesus, it was to question His Divine Authority. They wanted to see Him slip up, so they could use it against His claim of being God. As far as His claim of being Messiah, the Jews were expecting someone like Barabas, who instigated a revolution against the Romans, but since Jesus wasn’t like a revolutionary, they believed He didn’t fulfill the messanic prophecies, so they didn’t believe He was the Messiah. To the Jews, claiming to be God and not fulfilling the prophecies means you can’t be the Messiah.

The Pharisees weren’t extreme, just very observant of the Law. They were hypocrites, though, because while they did obey the Law, and so appear to be holy, they did not act charitable toward others, and so they were not really holy. They would take the best seats, not help others with hard burdens, and always act pious in plain view so people could admire them. This is why Jesus said they were like a cup that was clean on the outside but dirty on the inside. This offended them, but it didn’t cause them to oppose Jesus. The Saddedus, another Jewish sect, also offended the Pharisees, but they weren’t crucified.

 

[koranist]

Jesus said He was both God and Messiah, and the Jews knew this. That’s why they accused Him of blasphey. The Jews rejected Jesus as Messiah because He claimed to be God. Every time the Pharisees questioned Jesus, it was to question His Divine Authority. They wanted to see Him slip up, so they could use it against His claim of being God. As far as His claim of being Messiah, the Jews were expecting someone like Barabas, who instigated a revolution against the Romans, but since Jesus wasn’t like a revolutionary, they believed He didn’t fulfill the messanic prophecies, so they didn’t believe He was the Messiah. To the Jews, claiming to be God and not fulfilling the prophecies means you can’t be the Messiah.

The Pharisees weren’t extreme, just very observant of the Law. They were hypocrites, though, because while they did obey the Law, and so appear to be holy, they did not act charitable toward others, and so they were not really holy. They would take the best seats, not help others with hard burdens, and always act pious in plain view so people could admire them. This is why Jesus said they were like a cup that was clean on the outside but dirty on the inside. This offended them, but it didn’t cause them to oppose Jesus. The Saddedus, another Jewish sect, also offended the Pharisees, but they weren’t crucified.

The Jews were waiting for a Messiah and not God. They were expecting someone who will help them create a kingdom and use his powers to zap the romans. But he ended up trying to fulfill a spiritual goal and criticized them. I have no idea where you got the idea that the Jews in the gospel rejected Jesus because he claimed he was God. First, where in the Gospel does it say Jesus claimed that he was God?

*Question: “Why do most Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah?”

Answer: The Jews rejected Jesus because He failed, in their eyes, to do what they expected their Messiah to do—destroy evil and all their enemies and establish an eternal kingdom with Israel as the preeminent nation in the world. The prophecies in Isaiah and Psalm 22 described a suffering Messiah who would be persecuted and killed, but they chose to focus instead on those prophecies that discussed His glorious victories, not His crucifixion.

The commentaries in the Talmud, written before the onset of Christianity, clearly discuss the Messianic prophecies of Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22 and puzzle over how these would be fulfilled with the glorious setting up of the Kingdom of the Messiah. After the Church used these prophecies to prove the claims of Christ, the Jews took the position that the prophecies did not refer to the Messiah, but to Israel or some other person.

The Jews believed that the Messiah, the prophet which Moses spoke about, would come and deliver them from Roman bondage and set up a kingdom where they would be the rulers. Two of the disciples, James and John, even asked to sit at Jesus’ right and left in His Kingdom when He came into His glory. The people of Jerusalem also thought He would deliver them. They shouted praises to God for the mighty works they had seen Jesus do, and called out “Hosanna, save us” when he rode into Jerusalem on a donkey (Matthew 21:9). They treated Him like a conquering king. Then when He allowed Himself to be arrested, tried and crucified on a cursed cross, the people stopped believing that He was the promised prophet. They rejected their Messiah (Matthew 27:22).*

gotquestions.org/Jews-reject-Jesus.html

Educate yourself

 

[jakasaki]

the point is ,
accepting the Crucifixion and the Resurrection of Jesus Christ does not disqualify someone from being a Muslim but also does not make him a Christian either

Site your sources please in reference to

accepting the Crucifixion and the Resurrection of Jesus Christ does not disqualify someone from being a Muslim

 

[Agabriel]

You know, if we kept the discussion to what the Quran says about Biblical things - it does get boring doesn’t it? It is so bare of essentials. So we always go to what the Bible says, right? Even though that Bible is ‘corrupted’ though, right?

Anyway, thanks Eucharisted I got a lot from your posts.

Let me see - multiple witnesses to Jesus’ Life and Death vs one guy who lived centuries later, who wasn’t even a Jew or a Christian, who says it didn’t happen… who will I believe…

On the Crucifixion, there were accounts from people who were not of the Bible who also recorded Jesus Crucifixion.

esus’ crucifixion was written about by not only his prophets, but also includes Josephus

(37-97AD) a Jewish historian who was ordered by Pontius Pilate to record the crucifixion of Jesus. He also mentions Jesus appearing to the apostles on the 3rd day.

Lucien, a Greek satirist (120-180AD) was a critic of the Christians and Christ; and Tacitus (55-117AD) who was a great historian of Rome both wrote about the Crucifixian of Jesus.

Here is some readings on it: History of Christian Church

On the other hand, however, the scanty and contemptuous allusions of Tacitus and Pliny to Christianity bear testimony to a number of facts in the Gospel History. Tacitus, in giving an account of the Neronian persecution, incidentally attests, that Christ was put to death as a malefactor by Pontius Pilate in the reign of Tiberius; that he was the founder of the Christian sect, that the latter took its rise in Judaea and spread in spite of the ignominious death of Christ and the hatred and contempt it encountered throughout the empire, so that a “vast multitude” (multitudo ingens) of them were most cruelly put to death in the city of Rome alone as early as the year 64. He also bears valuable testimony, in the fifth book of his History, together with Josephus, from whom he mainly, though not exclusively takes his account, to the fulfilment of Christ’s prophecy concerning the destruction of Jerusalem and the overthrow of the Jewish theocracy.

The following passage appears in the Greek version of

Antiquities of the Jews 18.63-64, in the translation of William Whiston:
Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.

Keep in mind we are talking of some fairly educated men here vs one who wasn’t.