The Last Supper

[markdris]

A lot of your questions make sense now. However, you must realize that the author of the book is basing all of his future assumptions solely on the assumption that St. Paul’s revelation is a different/exclusive revelation. Which is mentioned nowhere in the Bible.

I like what the author says here: “They cannot be from some common source since Paul explicitly says that he did not receive them from any source but by personal revelation.” Wasn’t God the source of teaching for St. Paul and Jesus the source for the Apostles. Unless we are going to deny the Trinity I would call that a pretty common source.

I didn’t read the book referenced in the link. I did a Google search in order to find that particular link, as I had previously read on various websites some pretty good arguments for Paul having invented the Eucharist and Paul having founded Christianity. I don’t trust every website I find; I don’t give great weight to everything I read on the internet. I evaluate each website to determine how much credibility I believe it deserves, and sometimes I accept only part of what a website says. I do consider some of the websites espousing these arguments pretty credible on some of the points they make, but I am still on the fence about these issues. I really need to read a lot more of the arguments on both sides.

Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut on this.

 

[fred_conty]

I vote YES.

Here is a pretty good article on the subject.

catholic.com/blog/hector-molina/did-jesus-receive-his-own-body-and-blood

Thank you for that article on St. Thomas who was of the opinion that Christ ate his own body and drank his own blood at the Last Supper.

Of course this subject is still up for discussion in the church since nothing has definitely been settled on the matter. But I have to respectively see it differently then St. Thomas.

For one thing, at Jesus’ baptism, it says in the bible, in black and white, that Jesus was baptised and portrayed the baptismal scene. At the Last Supper there is no mention of Jesus eating his own body, and it is assumed only that he did. If it had been said in black and white as his baptism was, then that would be a different matter.

Secondly, St. Thomas says that Christ consumed his own body because it delighted him. I don’t see that it would have delighted him because he was already fully himself and would have no further delight or advantage to receive himself.

Thirdly, St. Thomas reciting one little hymn to bolster his opinion is a tight one to say the least.

St. Thomas is a giant, but I really can’t see Jesus doing this and the bible doesn’t specifically say that he did. And in Luke’s Gospel it says

He did the same with the cup after supper and said, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood which will be poured out for you.”

So this was not done at the Pasch meal which had finished, but afterwards. So that the idea that he would have eaten his body with them because of the Pasch would not seem to be so in this case for me.

However everyone is welcome to their own opinion.

 

[John_Martin]

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Secondly, St. Thomas says that Christ consumed his own body because it delighted him. I don’t see that it would have delighted him because he was already fully himself and would have no further delight or advantage to receive himself.
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In Luke we see Jesus saying “I have desired with exceeding desire to eat this Passover with you…”
We know from our understanding of delight that it occurs in the enjoyment of what was desired and the desire coming true (union with what is desired). Thus, Jesus was operating in delight during that Passover meal, because he had the desire fulfilled which he desired. The whole Passover was a “time of timeless delight” (see Thomas’ explanation in the Summa about delight being apart from time).
His delight was not “eating his own body”; his delight was eating the Passover with his own, in that very New Passover.
Let us desire to eat this Passover with exceeding desire also, and we will also eat it in delight that we are there with him.

 

[Hunho]

Here i go again. So was Jesus able to hold His body and blood at the Last Supper because He is God and because the laws of time and space don’t apply to Him?

No.

At the Last Supper Jesus was acting as high-priest to offer the sacrificial death which he was to undergo by crucifixion on the next day. In his hands at the Last Supper, the bread was still bread and the wine was still wine. The words he spoke and the actions he did were the words and actions of institution to show the apostles what they were to say and do as His new priesthood to memorialize that sacrifice and to share it with all those who would come after. In the Upper Room. the bread is still bread and the wine is still wine because the full sacrifice has not yet been consummated.