The late Ron Wyatt's discoveries

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Sodom and G, Sanai, Exodus crossing, split rock water supply, Noah’s Ark, etc.

they all look very convincing. has anything/anyone recently elaborated on them?

just put his name in youtube to see them all.

any information or thoughts on them?
 
It`s totally false.
By using trick photography, etc, it looks convincing but… Jonathan Grey is right in on the deception,

Apparently Ron Wyatt even convinced himself!!!

Even the Seventh Day Adventist denomination (his own} distanced itself from him.

Regarding the Red Sea crossing: Wyatt stated that the traditional Mount Sinai cant be the right one because Scripture says that the mountain is in Arabia. "Our" Mt Sinai isnt in Arabiat: therefore we`re wrong! The only problem is that in Biblical times, the Sinai Peninsula WAS part of Arabia.
 
It`s totally false.
By using trick photography, etc, it looks convincing but…

Apparently Ron Wyatt even convinced himself!!!
your opinion or has that been proven? cause that would make him a dispicable individual.
 
You posted too soon! :eek:
Serves me right for wanting to get in before anyone else! 😊

Theres proof all right. No archaeological group worthy of the name accepts his claims. Even all but one or two of the hard-line Fundamentalist groups deny his "discoveries". One well known televangelist or whoever publicly goes along with it......but he makes money out of it. :D ive forgotten his name and the details.

"Noahs Ark" is actually a rock formation. Over the millennia, land/soil slippage past the rock has made a "bow wave" (ie like a ship). i know he didnt claim to have discovered it, but he claimed to have explored it.

He wasnt despicable, but somehow he managed to convince even himself!!! :confused: Over-active imagination? Jonathan Gray is the one who gives me the horrors. After all, hes the propagandist…i suppose the films featured him?

ive seen only a few of his films, but apart from the fact that theyre rigged anyway, there was TOO MUCH evidence. Suspicious!
 
You posted too soon! :eek:
Serves me right for wanting to get in before anyone else! 😊

Theres proof all right. No archaeological group worthy of the name accepts his claims. Even all but one or two of the hard-line Fundamentalist groups deny his "discoveries". One well known televangelist or whoever publicly goes along with it......but he makes money out of it. :D ive forgotten his name and the details.

"Noahs Ark" is actually a rock formation. Over the millennia, land/soil slippage past the rock has made a "bow wave" (ie like a ship). i know he didnt claim to have discovered it, but he claimed to have explored it.

He wasnt despicable, but somehow he managed to convince even himself!!! :confused: Over-active imagination? Jonathan Gray is the one who gives me the horrors. After all, hes the propagandist…i suppose the films featured him?

ive seen only a few of his films, but apart from the fact that theyre rigged anyway, there was TOO MUCH evidence. Suspicious!
who’s Jonathan Gray?
 
that’s pretty disheartening. to be wrong is one thing, but deliberate desception is quite another.
 
who’s Jonathan Gray?
He`s the presenter in the Wyatt “discovery” videos, at least in the ones i saw.
The only videos i remember seeing are the “discovery” of the Ark of The Covenant and the “discovery” of Sodom or Gomorrah or one of the others. Someone told me the details of the Red Sea Crossing/Mount Sinai “discovery”.

Regarding the Ark of The Covenant: when Wyatt led some friends to the alleged site of his tunnel, he couldn`t find it!

In the Sodom (or whatever) video, the alleged site was obviously photographed when the sun was very low. The long shadows made the rock formations look like ruined foundations. Etc.

In the Red Sea/Mt Sinai video, Gray uses an undersea map which shows a land bridge very close to the surface, so the Israelites crossed on it. The makers of the map denied that the map shows the sea bed anywhere near where Wyatt claimed.

Like Ron Wyatt, Jonathan Gray is a Seventh Day Adventist,** and he brings SDA doctrine into his presentations. **
that’s pretty disheartening. to be wrong is one thing, but deliberate desception is quite another.
Ron Wyatt himself was an amateur archaeologist and he must have been a bit unbalanced. He wasnt a bad individual, but he obviously suffered from self-delusion of some sort. :shrug: If hed claimed to have discovered just ONE Biblical site, he may have been taken seriously for longer than he was; but to claim all of those discoveries was more than outrageous.

Don`t think ill of Ron Wyatt, though. At least he was harmless.
 
He`s the presenter in the Wyatt “discovery” videos, at least in the ones i saw.
The only videos i remember seeing are the “discovery” of the Ark of The Covenant and the “discovery” of Sodom or Gomorrah or one of the others. Someone told me the details of the Red Sea Crossing/Mount Sinai “discovery”.

Regarding the Ark of The Covenant, when Wyatt led some friends to the alleged site of his tunnel, he couldn`t find it!

In the Sodom (or whatever) video, the alleged site was obviously photographed when the sun was very low. The long shadows made the rock formations look like ruined walls. Etc.

In the Red Sea/Mt Sinai video, Gray uses an undersea map which shows a land bridge very close to the surface, so the Israelites crossed on it. The makers of the map denied that the map shows the sea bed anywhere near where Wyatt claimed.

Like Ron Wyatt, Jonathan Gray is a Seventh Day Adventist,** and he brings SDA doctrine into his presentations. **

Ron Wyatt himself was an amateur archaeologist and he must have been a bit unbalanced. He wasnt a bad individual, but he obviously suffered from self-delusion of some sort. :shrug: If hed claimed to have discovered just ONE Biblical site, he may have been taken seriously for longer than he was; but to claim all of those discoveries was more than outrageous.

Don`t think ill of Ron Wyatt, though. At least he was harmless.
i don’t think decieving people is harmless. and his story about the ark of the covenant, if not true is deliberate lie or total insanity.
 
Sodom and G, Sanai, Exodus crossing, split rock water supply, Noah’s Ark, etc.

they all look very convincing. has anything/anyone recently elaborated on them?

just put his name in youtube to see them all.

any information or thoughts on them?
All of Wyatt’s claims are bogus. They don’t even convince Answers in Genesis: see here.

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Regarding the Red Sea crossing: Wyatt stated that the traditional Mount Sinai cant be the right one because Scripture says that the mountain is in Arabia. "Our" Mt Sinai isnt in Arabiat: therefore we`re wrong! The only problem is that in Biblical times, the Sinai Peninsula WAS part of Arabia.
There is indeed one serious theory that Mount Sinai isn’t in the southern Sinai Peninsula at all, mainly based on St. Paul’s statement in Galatians 4:25 that Mount Sinai is “in Arabia.” It isn’t Ron’s original idea: he was just repeating what a few people are already thinking. And that is what I think the main problem with Ron Wyatt’s discoveries are: he tends to see evidence everywhere. I feel that he doesn’t evaluate his supposed discoveries based on data, rather he seems to just pick something as ‘evidence’ and builds theory upon theory on it.
 
There is indeed one serious theory that Mount Sinai isn’t in the southern Sinai Peninsula at all, mainly based on St. Paul’s statement in Galatians 4:25 that Mount Sinai is “in Arabia.” **

…he tends to see evidence everywhere. [He sure does!] I feel that he doesn’t evaluate his supposed discoveries based on data, rather he seems to just pick something as ‘evidence’ and builds theory upon theory on it.
Theres deception as well, though. To claim that he actually explored part of Noahs Ark when "Noahs Ark" is actually the result of land slippage past a rock is a bit off. And to claim that he removed blood from the Mercy Seat and had it analyzed by "a laboratory"......WHICH LABORATORY? Obviously none. You re right about "evidence" and theories. He chose General Gordons opinion of where the Crucifixion took place because the rock formation resembles a skull, but in Our Lord`s time, that part of the landscape was totally different. Plus, photographing the rocks with the sun at the right angle to get the skull effect…
Too much “evidence” is a giveaway.

Again, though, i feel sorry for the poor bloke, rather than feeling angry. He obviously had a psycho problem. 🤷

His surviving family and others shouldnt be keeping the deception alive, and theyre the ones i feel cranky about. His claims should be allowed to die out and to be given a decent burial. 😃
 
Wasn’t he the same person who claimed the true place of Golgotha was conveniently right beside the train station that he rolled into Jerusalem in? And the garden tomb? And said that the Ark of the Covenant would be thereabouts 20 feet underground in the place where the Cross was?

That big Church of the Holy Sepulcher is run by Catholics afterall, no point looking in there! :rolleyes: Assuming it’s the same man, ofcourse.
 
Theres deception as well, though. To claim that he actually explored part of Noahs Ark when "Noahs Ark" is actually the result of land slippage past a rock is a bit off. And to claim that he removed blood from the Mercy Seat and had it analyzed by "a laboratory"......WHICH LABORATORY? Obviously none. You re right about "evidence" and theories. He chose General Gordons opinion of where the Crucifixion took place because the rock formation resembles a skull, but in Our Lord`s time, that part of the landscape was totally different. Plus, photographing the rocks with the sun at the right angle to get the skull effect…
Too much “evidence” is a giveaway.

Again, though, i feel sorry for the poor bloke, rather than feeling angry. He obviously had a psycho problem. 🤷

His surviving family and others shouldnt be keeping the deception alive, and theyre the ones i feel cranky about. His claims should be allowed to die out and to be given a decent burial. 😃
You’re totally spot on about the “Arabia” thing. This is what James K. Hoffmeier wrote in his book Ancient Israel in Sinai (p. 130; chapter 6, §IV, B):

One of the early proponents for locating Mt. Sinai in Arabia or Midian was Charles Beke, who in 1878 identified it with Mt. Biggir, located around fifteen kilometers (nine miles) east of Elath/Ezion-geber (figure I). This placement would have been in the very northern part of the land of Midian. For him, yām sûp is identified with the Gulf of Suez, on the basis of the reference to Solomon’s fleet docked there (1 Kings 9:26), which meant that the escaping Israelites crossed the Sea of Suez. The declaration by St. Paul in Galatians 4:25 (“Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem”), he believed supported this theory. Given the allegorical nature of Paul’s statement, one might be inclined not to put too much geographical weight on such a statement. But more problematic is the assumption that first-century A.D. geographical terminology applies to the second millennium B.C. As we observed above (chapter 3, §III), the term Arabia as used in Greco-Roman times included Sinai. This is proven in the translation of the Septuagint of Genesis 46:34, which locates the Land of Goshen beside or in Arabia (i.e. Sinai). The Hebrew of Genesis 46:34 does not include this explanatory note, clearly because the association of Sinai with Arabic only begins in the Persian period. The MT version evidently predates this correlation. Hence, Paul is plainly using the geographical term that was understood in his day to refer to Sinai. Those who appeal to Galatians 4:25 err by interpreting this verse through the lens of twentieth-century international borders, and not from a first-century A.D. geopolitical map, which would have included Sinai within Arabia.

Hoffmeier then goes on about “a serious problem for those who build on Beke’s Midian hypothesis:” Beke evidently held the opinion that the Mizraim where the Israelites were enslaved is not Egypt in Africa as is commonly believed, but an area encompassing Philistia, the Negev, and south into mid- to eastern Sinai, something ignored by those who appeal to his work. There were also a number of other folks aside from Beke (from scholars such as Alois Musil, E. Meyer, Hermann Gunkel, Hugo Gressman, Martin Noth, Jean Koenig and Colin Humphreys, to folks such as Sigmund Freud and Immanuel Velikovsky) who attempted to look in northern Arabia the Biblical Sinai, since they held the opinion that the biblical descriptions of the theophany described volcanic activity, and since there were no volcanoes in Sinai, Arabia is the more likely place to look. The main Arabian candidates are Jabal al-Nour (Beke’s first choice), Jabal Baggir (Beke’s second opinion; the Biblical Sinai) and Jabal Ertowa (Horeb, which Beke distinguished from Sinai), Hala-'l Badr (mainly advocated by Musil, Koenig and Humphreys), and Jabal al-Lawz (according to Wyatt and Bob Cornuke). Fr. Roland de Vaux contested the Midian-Mt. Badr identification, which he called “quite arbitrary.” He did allow for the probability that if the Bible is describing a volcano then northern Arabia could be a possible candidate, but concludes that the most likely location is still somewhere within the Sinai peninsula.
 
Here is what he wrote earlier in the book:

The usage in the Pentateuch suggests that the name Sinai applied to a limited area, and not the entire peninsula. How and exactly when Sinai became the name for the entire region is unknown. In the writings of Herodotus and other classical writers, Arabia is the name given to Sinai. When Herodotus recounts Cambyses’s conquest of Egypt (525 B.C.), he speaks of Arabia and Arabians as situated between Palestine and Egypt. The reason for this development is that Sinai is geographically connected to Arabia, and during the first millennium, migrations from southern Arabia brought Arab tribes such as the Qedrites, to the areas east of Israel. The first mention of Arabs in Near Eastern texts is in the Kurkh monolith of Shalmaneser III. It reports that one thousand camels of Gindibu of Arabia were contributed to the Battle of Qarqar, Syria, in 853 B.C. During the Persian period (sixth and fifth centuries B.C.), Arabs are mentioned in inscriptions, indicating that they had moved into the areas of southern Palestine and Transjordan, and Sinai. During the Hellenistic period, the Septuagint translators of Genesis 46:34 added a note that the land of Goshen was “of Arabia” (γῇ Γεσεμ Ἀραβίᾳ), showing that they understood that the northeastern delta where Goshen was situated was beside Arabia, which can only be Sinai.
Possibly during the Byzantine period, when Christian pilgrims began visiting holy sites in the Holy Lands, the biblical name Sinai replaced Arabia and was extended to the entire peninsula.
 
Wasn’t he the same person who claimed the true place of Golgotha was conveniently right beside the train station that he rolled into Jerusalem in? And the garden tomb? And said that the Ark of the Covenant would be thereabouts 20 feet underground in the place where the Cross was?

That big Church of the Holy Sepulcher is run by Catholics afterall, no point looking in there! :rolleyes: Assuming it’s the same man, ofcourse.
He wasn’t the first. Near the Damascus Gate and close to a cave known as Jeremiah’s Grotto, Major-General Charles George Gordon in 1882-3 found a rocky escarpment (now situated just behind a Palestinian bus station), which from several angles resembled the face of a skull. Gordon concluded from this that the rocky escarpment was likely to have been Golgotha. Prior to Gordon, this possibility had also been suggested by Colonel Claude Conder, an associate of Lord Kitchener, in 1870 (Conder, Tent Work in Palestine, 1878; The City of Jerusalem, 1909), by Fisher Howe in 1871, and by the German scholar Otto Thenius in 1842.

So yeah, Wyatt was again just parroting what some people already believe. Though the whole ‘Ark of the Covenant’ thing is probably original to him.
 
That big Church of the Holy Sepulcher is run by Catholics afterall, no point looking in there! :rolleyes: Assuming it’s the same man, ofcourse.
He was Seventh Day Adventist, so naturally anything claimed by the Eastern Orthodox or the Catholics (:eek:) would have to be FALSE!
When it comes to discrediting us, the end justifies the means. Just ask the late Ellen Gould White.
Trivia: her husband was JAMES White. A distant ancestor of the current James White? 😃

In his Ark of The Covenant presentation, Jonathan Gray (SDA as already mentioned) makes a comment (from memory, it was in print, rather than spoken) right at the end that laws would likely be passed attempting to force everyone to worship on the first day of the week.
So yeah, Wyatt was again just parroting what some people already believe. Though the whole ‘Ark of the Covenant’ thing is probably original to him.
Many thanks for those two long posts. 👍 i wasnt aware of all of the extra info. Its been downloaded.
You should be more careful than to mention the name “Velikovsky”, though! :eek: Please give some warning next time! Y`know…heart flutters. 🤷
 
He`s the presenter in the Wyatt “discovery” videos, at least in the ones i saw.
The only videos i remember seeing are the “discovery” of the Ark of The Covenant and the “discovery” of Sodom or Gomorrah or one of the others. Someone told me the details of the Red Sea Crossing/Mount Sinai “discovery”.

Regarding the Ark of The Covenant: when Wyatt led some friends to the alleged site of his tunnel, he couldn`t find it!

In the Sodom (or whatever) video, the alleged site was obviously photographed when the sun was very low. The long shadows made the rock formations look like ruined foundations. Etc.

In the Red Sea/Mt Sinai video, Gray uses an undersea map which shows a land bridge very close to the surface, so the Israelites crossed on it. The makers of the map denied that the map shows the sea bed anywhere near where Wyatt claimed.

Like Ron Wyatt, Jonathan Gray is a Seventh Day Adventist,** and he brings SDA doctrine into his presentations. **

Ron Wyatt himself was an amateur archaeologist and he must have been a bit unbalanced. He wasnt a bad individual, but he obviously suffered from self-delusion of some sort. :shrug: If hed claimed to have discovered just ONE Biblical site, he may have been taken seriously for longer than he was; but to claim all of those discoveries was more than outrageous.

Don`t think ill of Ron Wyatt, though. At least he was harmless.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Gray_(writer) says that Jonathan Gray is a Fundamentalist.
 
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